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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/12/obama-turning-neocons-into-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-200506</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah, and anyone else having problems logging in please email and ill send you a new temp password.  This is a result of that recent hack, lots of user accounts got nuked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Leah, and anyone else having problems logging in please email and ill send you a new temp password.  This is a result of that recent hack, lots of user accounts got nuked.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I avoid that like stepping in Dog Crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I avoid that like stepping in Dog Crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/12/obama-turning-neocons-into-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-200448</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah, I almost NEVER EVER use the term &quot;liberal&quot; let alone &quot;liberal Democrat.&quot;  Today...I just couldn&#039;t find a way to avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Leah, I almost NEVER EVER use the term &#8220;liberal&#8221; let alone &#8220;liberal Democrat.&#8221;  Today&#8230;I just couldn&#8217;t find a way to avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, for some reason, I can&#039;t log in...

I did want to say that while I do agree in a way, the label &quot;liberal Democrat&quot; still makes me die a little inside...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Okay, for some reason, I can&#8217;t log in&#8230;</p>
<p>I did want to say that while I do agree in a way, the label &#8220;liberal Democrat&#8221; still makes me die a little inside&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;center&gt;But I was laughing.&lt;/center&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><center>But I was laughing.</center></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/12/obama-turning-neocons-into-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-200406</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word, it&#039;s because you can either laugh or cry at the reality of it, and I choose to laugh.  The irony, of course, is that for the war to have been avoided Saddam would have had to have been deterred from blocking UN inspectors, from preparing his WMD programs for &quot;breakout capability&quot; (as the UN described it in 2005), and to have stopped working with Al Queda groups.  The only way to deter Saddam was to threaten him, and instead of uniting in demands and threats and an effort to deter or force Saddam into complying...the left chose to undermine deterrence by protesting against the threat of force.  
No threat of force=no deterrence=no compliance=only 1 option....invade

THEN, after the invasion, after the UN mandated the Coalition occupation in 5/03...Obama and others opposed the effort to succeed in Iraq, and now they embrace it.  There are innumberable quotes from terrorists, AQI, AQ, UBL himself all saying, &#039;listen to the Democrats&#039; &#039;give up,&#039; etc., and once they got power...the Democrats and opponents of the war (invasion and occupation) fell silent.  

Now we&#039;re supposed to support the effort to succeed for no other reason than Democrats are in control/responsible.  It&#039;s partisanship before patriotism, but...now they&#039;re forced to be patriotic and support the effort to succeed.  Hell, if you say you DON&#039;T want Obama to succeed...you&#039;re railed against as unpatriotic (see also Rush Limbaugh).

laugh or cry at the irony, hypocrisy, and shallowness of the left.  I choose to laugh because maybe-just maybe, it&#039;s not that I&#039;ve become a liberal, but that they&#039;re becoming &quot;NEOCONs&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Word, it&#8217;s because you can either laugh or cry at the reality of it, and I choose to laugh.  The irony, of course, is that for the war to have been avoided Saddam would have had to have been deterred from blocking UN inspectors, from preparing his WMD programs for &#8220;breakout capability&#8221; (as the UN described it in 2005), and to have stopped working with Al Queda groups.  The only way to deter Saddam was to threaten him, and instead of uniting in demands and threats and an effort to deter or force Saddam into complying&#8230;the left chose to undermine deterrence by protesting against the threat of force.<br />
No threat of force=no deterrence=no compliance=only 1 option&#8230;.invade</p>
<p>THEN, after the invasion, after the UN mandated the Coalition occupation in 5/03&#8230;Obama and others opposed the effort to succeed in Iraq, and now they embrace it.  There are innumberable quotes from terrorists, AQI, AQ, UBL himself all saying, &#8216;listen to the Democrats&#8217; &#8216;give up,&#8217; etc., and once they got power&#8230;the Democrats and opponents of the war (invasion and occupation) fell silent.  </p>
<p>Now we&#8217;re supposed to support the effort to succeed for no other reason than Democrats are in control/responsible.  It&#8217;s partisanship before patriotism, but&#8230;now they&#8217;re forced to be patriotic and support the effort to succeed.  Hell, if you say you DON&#8217;T want Obama to succeed&#8230;you&#8217;re railed against as unpatriotic (see also Rush Limbaugh).</p>
<p>laugh or cry at the irony, hypocrisy, and shallowness of the left.  I choose to laugh because maybe-just maybe, it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;ve become a liberal, but that they&#8217;re becoming &#8220;NEOCONs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*clap, clap*

My one befuddlement:  Why is this filed under &quot;humor&quot;?  This is a serious blogging epiphanic moment of acute analytical illumination.</description>
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<p>My one befuddlement:  Why is this filed under &#8220;humor&#8221;?  This is a serious blogging epiphanic moment of acute analytical illumination.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  No fly.  The &quot;let&#039;s just borrow money&quot; well is going to dry up starting at 2:30 today when Dems are told that Social Security revenue is down 90% because of their Great Recession.  From that moment onwards...the Feds will have to borrow just to pay back SS.  Not gonna be a lot of bailout opportunity left.  For example, in OH and MI, the unions were pushed to approve GM and Chrysler bankruptcy cuts so they could stay in business.  Once approved, both companies closed their plants.  GM is talking about leaving MI (possibly moving out of the country), and the unions and the Democrats they bought....got OWND/PWND/USED/ABUSED/left high and dry.  No amount of bailout can help em, and no credit for bailouts will be left after the next TARP trillion and the &quot;Stimulus II&quot; trillion (to say nothing of SS and Obama&#039;s infinite wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Mexico, etc.).   

Thou shalt reap what thou hast sown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Nope.  No fly.  The &#8220;let&#8217;s just borrow money&#8221; well is going to dry up starting at 2:30 today when Dems are told that Social Security revenue is down 90% because of their Great Recession.  From that moment onwards&#8230;the Feds will have to borrow just to pay back SS.  Not gonna be a lot of bailout opportunity left.  For example, in OH and MI, the unions were pushed to approve GM and Chrysler bankruptcy cuts so they could stay in business.  Once approved, both companies closed their plants.  GM is talking about leaving MI (possibly moving out of the country), and the unions and the Democrats they bought&#8230;.got OWND/PWND/USED/ABUSED/left high and dry.  No amount of bailout can help em, and no credit for bailouts will be left after the next TARP trillion and the &#8220;Stimulus II&#8221; trillion (to say nothing of SS and Obama&#8217;s infinite wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Mexico, etc.).   </p>
<p>Thou shalt reap what thou hast sown</p>
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		<title>By: Lightbringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one fly in your UAW suicide theory. As long as the Democrats and/or RINOs have a say in the matter, they will never have to face bankruptcy squarely. There will always be another TARP or somesuch to bail them out at the taxpayer&#039;s expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>There is only one fly in your UAW suicide theory. As long as the Democrats and/or RINOs have a say in the matter, they will never have to face bankruptcy squarely. There will always be another TARP or somesuch to bail them out at the taxpayer&#8217;s expense.</p>
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