PATRIO GAMES are talking about the BIDENBERG GROUP ?

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This is very surprising since the entire initiation of principles of civil rights law are to avoid the outcome of strongarm politics as they arose in strong arm elections and processes.

For Obama or his organization to use such tactics, it would prove that he is more invested in, and affiliated with whites rather than blacks – as a tradition.

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[...] May 2nd, I posted the Chicago style strong arm tactics used on some of the secured investors, represented by Bankruptcy Attorney, Tom Lauria of White & Case. Two days later, I was [...]

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[...] media caught on to the Chrysler holdout firms’ attorney, Tom Lauria, and his accusations that Obama’s auto czar, Steven Rattner, threated to destroy P-W’s reputation if they continued to oppose the government orchestrated sell out of Chrysler to Fiat [...]

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Curt:

I wish that I could say that your response was also humorous, but the sad case here is that the American people cannot comprehend such a large conspiracy. You, and may others, must begin to look at the “actual” facts and read between the lines. When and if this all comes to a head, what will you do then…say shucks fellas, they were right? Then what? Are you going to sit there and think that some day some new shining politician will save us from this mess? What will there be to save after the constitution is gutted? It’s not a laughing matter my friend…not to our founding fathers and not for those of us with enough governmental experience to know better. The politicians of today are fueled by three things; power, money, and greed. It makes no matter what the prioritization of these three personality faults are within any of them; the fact is that they are ALL driven by these at whatever level. It will bear down on the responsibility of the citizenry to stand up and elect and implement “statesmen” that will not throw this country away for money. Think about it…real hard.

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there would be a major re-ditribution of ALL American’s wealth to those who own the Federal Reserve…namely the Rothschild Family. This family, along with the Bush’s, the Kennedy’s, the Morgan’s, the Rockefeller’s, and many many others are implementing a decades long plan to strip the American people of their wealth, thier liberties, thier livelihoods, and thier constitution.

Hey! A Paulbot showed up….been awhile. They always bring some good laughs

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all of this talk and debate is great, but one must ask where and who is pushing all of these buttons? The answer is clear to some and unbelievable to others. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned banking conglomerate; printing our own money, loaning it to our government and to other (sometimes opposing) governments. They own majority shares in many of the failed companies and banks that have recently received taxpayer dollars for “bailouts”. Is anyone putting this together? when Obama told Joe the Plumber that there needed to be a “re-distribution” of wealth, he did not mean from the rich to the poor. He meant that there would be a major re-ditribution of ALL American’s wealth to those who own the Federal Reserve…namely the Rothschild Family. This family, along with the Bush’s, the Kennedy’s, the Morgan’s, the Rockefeller’s, and many many others are implementing a decades long plan to strip the American people of their wealth, thier liberties, thier livelihoods, and thier constitution. Why? Because after that, they will, through treaties, become a “World” power greater than they already are. They will own the paper money that the entire world depends upon. They will implement, through the UN, the One-World-Government that they will then control entirely through the manipulation of money, its availability, its volume, and its dispersment. One must only look at the Obama policies and look past the trees to see the forest. He is only a puppet and Congress is going along for the ride because they are all thinking that they will have a seat at the table of royalty, while the American people and the rest of the world eat soup and work largely for taxes so that they maintain their wealth. Obama is a thug, was not elected legally, appears to be an illegal candidate for the presidency, and is implementing the final stages of this plan. There is a solution…it will be forthcoming when the patriots of this country have had enough. Of course…the administration is now preparing to legally incarcerate these people due to their recent definitions of terrorists to thwart this event. It is these patriots that began and have for centuries defended the sovereignty that we now cherish. It is the One World Government proponents that call those who wish to keep that sovereignty “isolationists” and radicals. The real radicals are this administration and the congress who are, on a daily basis, degrading our contitutional rights and who are positioning to give away America. It is time.

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jpm, as I said, *other* than TARP. However even including that, the “government”… which I can only assume by which you mean the Executive branch, and not the judicial or legislative branches… can only do so in the case of financial institutions within their current powers. This does not include private sector corporations. This is why Geithner/Obama were trying to seize additional powers to cover *any* publicly traded company in the past month or two. Those have not, to my knowledge, been successful with any legislation allowing them to do so. So in the interim, your “government intervention” is confined to specific financial institutions.

Now again, why don’t you clarify what your “government” term means. We have three branches. Judicial only has jurisdiction and powers in bankruptcy. The Treasury Secy has unmitigated power when it comes to nationalized financial institutions. Meaning the Treasury (ther than FDIC) and/or the executive branch only has powers recently granted thru TARP.

As far as your 1986 citation. You can only be talking about one of a couple of things… the Insolvency Act of 1986, which is British, or the US Code sections 1166 which was specific to railroads and the DOT. Even those were only in the case of Chapter 11, not Chapter 7.

Care to clarify your vague statements INRE the 1986 legislation? And links please…

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“jpm, the Judicial branch *is* part of government. Rather vague statement, don’t you think. So let’s get specific. Perhaps you’ll point out to us just where in bankruptcy law that the Executive branch is granted such powers of “latitude”…. other than the latest nanny intrusion legislation granting King Geithner (or any other Treasury Secy) such powers. (for financial institutions that they nationalize…)”

The government can force a Chapter 7 via the terms of the TARP legislation or the Justice Department. As well as bring multiple other creditors to the table. Parts suppliers, the pension benefit guarantee corporation, some dealers, etc. But that list also includes TARP legislation which I believe had priority. So the pie can get very small for the bondholders.

Also, the government can appoint a Trustee to oversee the Bankruptcy, via 1986 legislation, that allows selection to ultimately come from the justice department. Of course it goes to a judge eventually. And the bondholders have to fear Chapter 7. They should, but even now some people still consider the auto industry made of money.

The government is both mediator and primary creditor. Puts them in an unique position. They do have to find a co-operative judge which is somewhat a crap shoot, but it is New York.

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jpm, the Judicial branch *is* part of government. Rather vague statement, don’t you think. So let’s get specific. Perhaps you’ll point out to us just where in bankruptcy law that the Executive branch is granted such powers of “latitude”…. other than the latest nanny intrusion legislation granting King Geithner (or any other Treasury Secy) such powers. (for financial institutions that they nationalize…)

And that piece of crap legislation (passed by a Dem Congress and Bush working hand in hand, and made worse with the current Congress & POTUS) is an issue that should be brought before the Supreme Court. But it will take time for such a suit to be filed after specific actions, and work it’s way thru the judicial food chain.

However Obama and Geithner knew the Executive branch didn’t have the power to abrogate contract law outside of the financial institutions… which is why they were seeking additional power at the end of March to do so in the case of other companies (i.e. the auto manufacturers, and companies with labor contracts in trouble from municipalities that were near Chapter 9 status).

This all translates to unConstitutional Executive powers that operates outside judicial oversight for bankruptcy, and thereby outside of legal challenge for their decisions. You really want to go there?

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