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		<title>By: Full Transcript: Obama&#8217;s 100th Day Town Hall Fox High Arnold Mo April 29 2009 [Updated w/protest video]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Full Transcript: Obama&#8217;s 100th Day Town Hall Fox High Arnold Mo April 29 2009 [Updated w/protest video]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 03:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To jump start job creation, get our economy moving again, we passed the most ambitious economic reco... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-196953&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time Traveller&lt;/a&gt;: 

Got references for those stats?  They are very damning, and it&#039;s a hammer I would like to have in my toolbox, if you can supply the info.

Thanks in advance.
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@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-196956&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Moon&lt;/a&gt;: 

In other words, O&#039;Bunko&#039;s policies are the death-knell of American enterprise, and hence our prosperity?  If that&#039;s what you are saying, sadly I agree with you.  It&#039;s gonna be a loooooooong 4(?) years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-196953" rel="nofollow">Time Traveller</a>: </p>
<p>Got references for those stats?  They are very damning, and it&#8217;s a hammer I would like to have in my toolbox, if you can supply the info.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.<br />
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@<a href="#comment-196956" rel="nofollow">Michael Moon</a>: </p>
<p>In other words, O&#8217;Bunko&#8217;s policies are the death-knell of American enterprise, and hence our prosperity?  If that&#8217;s what you are saying, sadly I agree with you.  It&#8217;s gonna be a loooooooong 4(?) years!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things will continue to be worse &quot;than expected&quot; for one big reason:  uncertainty.

We are so far out in uncharted waters that we can&#039;t even see land any more.  We have never run up this much debt this fast.  We have never nationalized major corporations and entire economic sectors before.  We have never seen producers so severely punished for producing, or investors get slaughtered for the sin of risk-taking, or moochers and slackers get so rewarded instead of being allowed to suffer the consequences of their bad decisions.  In short, the &quot;rules&quot; of free market prosperity have been turned upside down by the tin horn despots in Washington.

If you were thinking of starting a business now, would you?  When you don&#039;t know what your exposure to health costs will be, or payroll taxes, or energy costs?  When you don&#039;t know if you can freely hire or fire employees, or if you may be forced to negotiate with a union even if you employ only a handful of people?

Investors have a love / hate relationship with uncertainty.  Investing in the face of risk can lead to big payoffs if one correctly reads the tea leaves, or can result in liability even beyond the capital invested.  Traditionally, the market has rewarded savvy investors and capable producers, and has punished those who provide unattractive or over-priced goods and services, or who fail to manage operating risks, or who invest in the latest fad or bubble without real knowledge.  But there is a level of risk that is deemed &quot;acceptable&quot; when prior experience in market conditions can be extrapolated to current conditions.  Without that ability to extrapolate -- in other words, where the underlying system has changed profoundly -- then risk is perceived to be &quot;unacceptable&quot;.  Investors will sit it out, on the sidelines, waiting for the system to either return to the previous norms or else to provide enough information on its current behavior that some confidence in assumptions and predictions can be restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Things will continue to be worse &#8220;than expected&#8221; for one big reason:  uncertainty.</p>
<p>We are so far out in uncharted waters that we can&#8217;t even see land any more.  We have never run up this much debt this fast.  We have never nationalized major corporations and entire economic sectors before.  We have never seen producers so severely punished for producing, or investors get slaughtered for the sin of risk-taking, or moochers and slackers get so rewarded instead of being allowed to suffer the consequences of their bad decisions.  In short, the &#8220;rules&#8221; of free market prosperity have been turned upside down by the tin horn despots in Washington.</p>
<p>If you were thinking of starting a business now, would you?  When you don&#8217;t know what your exposure to health costs will be, or payroll taxes, or energy costs?  When you don&#8217;t know if you can freely hire or fire employees, or if you may be forced to negotiate with a union even if you employ only a handful of people?</p>
<p>Investors have a love / hate relationship with uncertainty.  Investing in the face of risk can lead to big payoffs if one correctly reads the tea leaves, or can result in liability even beyond the capital invested.  Traditionally, the market has rewarded savvy investors and capable producers, and has punished those who provide unattractive or over-priced goods and services, or who fail to manage operating risks, or who invest in the latest fad or bubble without real knowledge.  But there is a level of risk that is deemed &#8220;acceptable&#8221; when prior experience in market conditions can be extrapolated to current conditions.  Without that ability to extrapolate &#8212; in other words, where the underlying system has changed profoundly &#8212; then risk is perceived to be &#8220;unacceptable&#8221;.  Investors will sit it out, on the sidelines, waiting for the system to either return to the previous norms or else to provide enough information on its current behavior that some confidence in assumptions and predictions can be restored.</p>
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		<title>By: Time Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also there was a 34% slide in equipment &amp; software , a 38% slide in residential investment ( not surprising) but a 30% slide in Exports. 

The latter is HUGE. America has to earn money . Those borrowings will have to be paid for .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Also there was a 34% slide in equipment &amp; software , a 38% slide in residential investment ( not surprising) but a 30% slide in Exports. </p>
<p>The latter is HUGE. America has to earn money . Those borrowings will have to be paid for .</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely!  Give em all the money they want.  It&#039;s a great idea.  There should be no limit to which the govt keeps those companies (and more importantly their unions) alive.  Right?

OR

Was it a bad idea to help em?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Absolutely!  Give em all the money they want.  It&#8217;s a great idea.  There should be no limit to which the govt keeps those companies (and more importantly their unions) alive.  Right?</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>Was it a bad idea to help em?</p>
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		<title>By: playwithfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>playwithfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, scott, are you Wanting him to bailout GM and Chrysler??</description>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS, you know how they&#039;ll spin this.  &quot;If it weren&#039;t for Obama&#039;s stimulus package 8-10 million people WOULD have been out of work.&quot;  . . . now, don&#039;t we all feel so much better?

Actually, they&#039;ve sort of done the equivalent already. Just listen to NancyP about how bad it would be (500 million a month losing jobs), in justifying giving their monster life...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR5M5teyQ0
(reference point - US population just over 300 million in 2008)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>PS, you know how they&#8217;ll spin this.  &#8220;If it weren&#8217;t for Obama&#8217;s stimulus package 8-10 million people WOULD have been out of work.&#8221;  . . . now, don&#8217;t we all feel so much better?</p>
<p>Actually, they&#8217;ve sort of done the equivalent already. Just listen to NancyP about how bad it would be (500 million a month losing jobs), in justifying giving their monster life&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR5M5teyQ0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR5M5teyQ0</a><br />
(reference point &#8211; US population just over 300 million in 2008)</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-196806&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scott Malensek&lt;/a&gt;: 

LOL!  

I guess when the bad student is also the principal he doesn&#039;t have to do his homework.  (I wonder if that would make a good movie plot?  You know, like &quot;Big,&quot; only with a demonic twist?  Steven King, get to work!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-196806" rel="nofollow">Scott Malensek</a>: </p>
<p>LOL!  </p>
<p>I guess when the bad student is also the principal he doesn&#8217;t have to do his homework.  (I wonder if that would make a good movie plot?  You know, like &#8220;Big,&#8221; only with a demonic twist?  Steven King, get to work!)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ZeroBlanko - “Uh, I …um, well, …uh, ….the pig ate it?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
um, will you take a check instead? No?  Well, then you damn well oughta be happy with your [$13wk] tax break!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>ZeroBlanko &#8211; “Uh, I …um, well, …uh, ….the pig ate it?”</p></blockquote>
<p>um, will you take a check instead? No?  Well, then you damn well oughta be happy with your [$13wk] tax break!</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TEACHER - &quot;OK, Barry, where&#039;s your ecconomics assignment?  It was due today, you know.

ZeroBlanko - &quot;Uh, I ...um, well, ...uh, ....the pig ate it?&quot;</description>
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<p>ZeroBlanko &#8211; &#8220;Uh, I &#8230;um, well, &#8230;uh, &#8230;.the pig ate it?&#8221;</p>
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