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	<title>Comments on: Obama and swine flu&#8230; let no hyped crisis go to waste</title>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/04/27/obama-and-swine-flu-let-no-hyped-crisis-go-to-waste/#comment-197005</link>
		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Patavann

Considering how many people have died from it, (roughly 6,000 more per year than fatalities due to firearms,) I wonder when the Democrats will write legislation to make carrying the flu against the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ Patavann</p>
<p>Considering how many people have died from it, (roughly 6,000 more per year than fatalities due to firearms,) I wonder when the Democrats will write legislation to make carrying the flu against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: RatDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>RatDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone noticed that there are no reports of SWINE actually having this version?  And &quot;a combination of human, swine, and bird DNA&quot;?  You don&#039;t think this strain escaped from a weapons lab, do you?  I&#039;m just sayin&#039; ....

Watch the progression:
1) Panic over the pandemic.
2) National health care.
3) Martial law.
4) Take your guns.
Never let a crisis go to waste, eh, Rahm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Has anyone noticed that there are no reports of SWINE actually having this version?  And &#8220;a combination of human, swine, and bird DNA&#8221;?  You don&#8217;t think this strain escaped from a weapons lab, do you?  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217; &#8230;.</p>
<p>Watch the progression:<br />
1) Panic over the pandemic.<br />
2) National health care.<br />
3) Martial law.<br />
4) Take your guns.<br />
Never let a crisis go to waste, eh, Rahm?</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I survived Bush&#039;s bird flu ...

Simpson&#039;s wuldn&#039;t have JaNo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I survived Bush&#8217;s bird flu &#8230;</p>
<p>Simpson&#8217;s wuldn&#8217;t have JaNo.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuck in spam. NSA must have been watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Stuck in spam. NSA must have been watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did everyone see Janet Nu-uh-uh-palitano&#039;s presser today? Am I the only person who uh thinks she IS a Simpsons character? I really think uh Matt Groening created her, and the uh Obama admin just superimposes her image on the uh screen to cover up for the fact that he uh screwed up that appointment too. Between her and Gibbs&#039; pressers, there were enough &#039;uhs&#039; to make my speech teacher uh, rollover in his grave.

Maybe they could spend just a little bit of that $5+ trillion they are blowing this year on teleprompters for those two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Did everyone see Janet Nu-uh-uh-palitano&#8217;s presser today? Am I the only person who uh thinks she IS a Simpsons character? I really think uh Matt Groening created her, and the uh Obama admin just superimposes her image on the uh screen to cover up for the fact that he uh screwed up that appointment too. Between her and Gibbs&#8217; pressers, there were enough &#8216;uhs&#8217; to make my speech teacher uh, rollover in his grave.</p>
<p>Maybe they could spend just a little bit of that $5+ trillion they are blowing this year on teleprompters for those two.</p>
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		<title>By: Patvann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patvann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone want to remember that on average 36,000 Americans die every year from the flu?

 John....Is there ANY FREAKIN topic you can&#039;t piss on, or show your stupidity therein? 

Oh wait. He&#039;s the ultimate &quot;Thank your sir, may I have another&quot; masochist. That&#039;s why he&#039;s here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Does anyone want to remember that on average 36,000 Americans die every year from the flu?</p>
<p> John&#8230;.Is there ANY FREAKIN topic you can&#8217;t piss on, or show your stupidity therein? </p>
<p>Oh wait. He&#8217;s the ultimate &#8220;Thank your sir, may I have another&#8221; masochist. That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s here.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By gosh, you sure can say alot of stupid sheeeet in just a couple sentences, John Ryan.

The antidote has been &quot;found&quot; for years... Tamiflu since 1999.  (bird flu panic a few years ago ring any bells?)  All without Obama&#039;s help, too... go no.  From all I&#039;ve read about Roche, they get private funding, spending about $7 bil annually on development.  They also have a history of philanthropy.  All without Obama and the government.

Another drug, Relenza,  had it&#039;s problems in Britain with the government reluctant to supply it back at in 2000.  Both drugs have had their controversy INRE effectiveness, dangers and side effects.

Frankly, after the vaccine experiences in the 70s under Ford&#039;s direction (read in the above post), I won&#039;t be lining up for a swine flu shot vaccine any time soon, thank you very much.

As for your bogus numbers... you&#039;d better provide something better than a few taps on your keyboard and a &quot;trust me&quot; type &#039;tude.  Roche, which had the Tamiflu patent, has allowed generic versions to some countries, including Vietnam, India and China.  After 2007, Roche was said to be able to manufacture about 300 million treatments  annually... way over your purported 1.5 mil monthly.  In fact Roche provided the WHO 30 million capsules in 2005, and an additional 20 million capsules in 2006.... this before they okayed the Indian and Chinese generics.

Relenza and Tamiflu also have shelf lives.  They have to keep restocking it.  Five years, I believe, is the average.  You can waste tons of taxpayer cash stockpiling drugs with shelf lives, and aren&#039;t used... or useable on the extremely young or old.

You assuming there aren&#039;t already stockpiles of this stuff around?  Or that only the government can purchase and have it on hand for employees??  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pandemicplan.gsk.com/stockpiling-faqs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Try again...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  

So John Ryan.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/26/punching-holes-through-the-lefts-talking-points-on-the-zubaydah-interrogation/comment-page-1/#comment-196115&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;taking Patvann up on his bet?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Putting your money where your &lt;strike&gt;mouth&lt;/strike&gt; keyboard is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>By gosh, you sure can say alot of stupid sheeeet in just a couple sentences, John Ryan.</p>
<p>The antidote has been &#8220;found&#8221; for years&#8230; Tamiflu since 1999.  (bird flu panic a few years ago ring any bells?)  All without Obama&#8217;s help, too&#8230; go no.  From all I&#8217;ve read about Roche, they get private funding, spending about $7 bil annually on development.  They also have a history of philanthropy.  All without Obama and the government.</p>
<p>Another drug, Relenza,  had it&#8217;s problems in Britain with the government reluctant to supply it back at in 2000.  Both drugs have had their controversy INRE effectiveness, dangers and side effects.</p>
<p>Frankly, after the vaccine experiences in the 70s under Ford&#8217;s direction (read in the above post), I won&#8217;t be lining up for a swine flu shot vaccine any time soon, thank you very much.</p>
<p>As for your bogus numbers&#8230; you&#8217;d better provide something better than a few taps on your keyboard and a &#8220;trust me&#8221; type &#8216;tude.  Roche, which had the Tamiflu patent, has allowed generic versions to some countries, including Vietnam, India and China.  After 2007, Roche was said to be able to manufacture about 300 million treatments  annually&#8230; way over your purported 1.5 mil monthly.  In fact Roche provided the WHO 30 million capsules in 2005, and an additional 20 million capsules in 2006&#8230;. this before they okayed the Indian and Chinese generics.</p>
<p>Relenza and Tamiflu also have shelf lives.  They have to keep restocking it.  Five years, I believe, is the average.  You can waste tons of taxpayer cash stockpiling drugs with shelf lives, and aren&#8217;t used&#8230; or useable on the extremely young or old.</p>
<p>You assuming there aren&#8217;t already stockpiles of this stuff around?  Or that only the government can purchase and have it on hand for employees??  <a href="http://www.pandemicplan.gsk.com/stockpiling-faqs.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Try again&#8230;</b></a>  </p>
<p>So John Ryan.<a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/26/punching-holes-through-the-lefts-talking-points-on-the-zubaydah-interrogation/comment-page-1/#comment-196115" rel="nofollow"><b>taking Patvann up on his bet?</b></a>  Putting your money where your <strike>mouth</strike> keyboard is?</p>
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		<title>By: John ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey that is great bews that the &quot;antidote&quot; has been found. Too bad that  they can only make 1.5 million doses on a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>hey that is great bews that the &#8220;antidote&#8221; has been found. Too bad that  they can only make 1.5 million doses on a month.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obie shook the hand of that one guy in Mexico who later died. I wonder if Obie infected him on purpose?</description>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old O&#039;Dumbo will never let a crisis, or a non-crisis, go to waste. It came along just in time for a little CYA for the thousands of screwups and ripoff&#039;s in the past hundred days.</description>
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