[...] to resist standard interrogation techniques. After being waterboarded by his CIA interrogators, Zubaydah thanked them and told them, “You must do this for all the [...]

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Mata, I have done that for years now. It is my reality. 28 years in boots and never a dull moment or a second of regret. deployable anywhere in 72 hours. Those I led & trained are getting it done.

Retire and watch Punks come to Power. Not what I fought for.

Resistance. Flies voted Obama in. But thanks for your concern.

Take Care Lady!

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Thanks, Trooper… but I suggest you tip that glass to the genuinely worthy. ala those at rest in Arlington, and those still active in our country’s service. You all fight the big battles. Slapping the “Johnny-come-lately-brain-dead” types is like swatting down a pesky fly by comparison.

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@ Mata

I am sure he can afford it, as all I want him to do is go away. He lives in England, so I know he can’t afford the bet I REALLY want him to make, and that would be a $1000 donation to Soldiers Angels.

The blinders on this one extend to infinity, and no logic or reality is allowed to come into his view, no matter what.

Until his bubble of safety as provided by “rough men standing ready to do violence on his behalf” is PERSONALLY burst (heaven truly forbid something happens to someone he loves) by terrorists, then he will continue to believe America (and western culture) is exactly as evil as the Islamosupremists. He has been taught this.

The primary difference is that we conservatives see all of humanity as our “family” whereas he sees only his small circle of like-minded twits, related and not.

He hate us, and what we stand for, because we make him feel small. This is the result of liberal conditioning fighting the primal, resulting in mental conflict.

What he also can’t understand is that while he hates us (and himself) we look upon him as a misguided child, which causes more internal conflict.

-The dogma is deep in this one.

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Thanks Mata!
Well said and Well Done!
“Need to Know” keeps America safe.
“Want to Know” is what Our Enemies do best and it always comes back to bite US…

I’d love to take Johnny on a walking tour of Arlington and a few other places where Friends of Mine are at rest forever because someone “Wanted to Know” and some dumb SOB told them.

Thanks again Lady!
I will lift a glass of single malt in your honor tonight.

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Obviously, there are people who wish to make a political football out of this anyway they can. While the news stories and blog headlines might be taking this all over the place, the facts are that all of this was done in the context of the aftermath of 9/11, as it happened, not in hindsight. With nearly 3 thousand american dead, trillions lost out of the economy, and a direct attack on the Pentagon itself, these measures were put in place to protect against further attacks. They were used early on and there remains today general consensus between all the various intel divisions that it was carefully monitored (including by select members of congress from BOTH parties (including Pelosi), it was successful and rendered very important information that saved American lives. Further, there is general consensus among the intel divisions that the disclosure of the details of this has damaged any value it can/will have in the future to gleen info.

The rest of it…is just hot-air looking for a hole to vent through.

And while it’s inherently true that one can find other ways to get information from someone that may work if given enough time, it’s also inherently true that sometimes you don’t have the luxury of that time. It’s the difference between trying to find out the details of how someone makes a bomb, and trying to find a ticking bomb that would bring the likes of another 9/11 should it go off. It’s a different context.

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I see John Ryan still thinks of himself, and all Americans, as possessing the right of knowing every detail of how our intel operatives perform in their tasks. Of course the pea brain types like that never put it together that when they “know”, so does our enemy. But what does it matter if they experience some smug sense of superior morality?

No John Ryan, you and the American population are not in a “need to know” position unless, of course, you prefer to endanger not only our operatives, but our nation as a whole. Your quest for what you want to be “the truth” (which you’ve already predetermined) accomplishes nothing but dragging the US thru the mud on the international and jihad stage. As I said, you’ll never know the whole truth … just what “truth” the political machine wants to feed you. There is too much that is, and needs to be, classified about this stuff.

Curt’s last paragraph sums up the reality of Soufan. You may get orts of actionable intelligence playing the nice guy, but are you getting the prime cut of data? Unlikely. Apparently he wasn’t giving up what they wanted, or they would not have taken control of the interrogations from Soufan.

Patvann… love the bet. Since you are likely correct, the better question is, can John Ryan afford it? Perhaps he can save up those $13 tax cuts weekly from his hero, Obama, to pay it off.

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The liberal Democrats and the MSM argument that this is shameful doesn’t hold water on a board or anywhere else. It’s amazing the fit they can through about an interrogation technique that kills NO one and saves lives with the information that is received. Then, these same moonbeam wachos cry about a woeman’s right to kill a baby because she doesn’t want it!! The hypocracy is beyond description.

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“Problem is, the Inspector General (pg 100-111) says those harsher techniques were NOT introduced in August but Late March/Early April. ”

That would suggest that Al Soufan is lying about hiis involvement.

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I know there was worse, but since the congesscritters knew SERE training included what they presently are calling “torture” and they did nothing about it, it seems that they advocate “torture” as long as it is not our enemies.

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