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David Buckner Passes out on Glenn Beck Show

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While they are members of, and in public agreement with the stated aims of such organizations, then yes. If they leave such organizations and have no more to do with them, and do not show support for the goals and values of such organizations, then it behooves us to take them at their word, even if cautiously, that they are not what they once were or mistakenly thought themselves to be.

As I say – I used the past tense. I haven’t said that Todd continues to believe in secession.

Also, it is disingenuous to compare the AIP with those organizations, simply because their stated goals and beliefs are very clear cut and spelled out in big flaming block letters for all the world to see. The secession plank of the AIP is a footnote hidden amidst dozens of other ideas and beliefs, and I doubt that AIP meeting involve swearing any mystical blood oaths to rip Alaska from the union or die trying.

Disagree – it’s in their title the Alaska INDEPENDENCE Party. How much clearer do you want that party to be? Sure over time they may appear to brush this under the carpet somewhat – But they were founded on this & they are campaigning for their to be a vote on this issue and it wasn’t hard to find it on their website. If Alaskan want less government but stick with the union – then they can always vote Republican. If you want to be believe that the AIP don’t have secession as a goal then go ahead – to me it’s very clear. It’s like trying to argue Sein Fein are not linked to terrorism.

You yourself agree that even if he once had secessionist tendencies, he no longer has them.

I didn’t say this. In fact – how do you know? Because I’m not a member of any political party – does that mean I don’t support any party? I presume that he changed his mind or decided to leave as it could be seen as an embarrassment to his wife. Either way – it’s *now* best not to presume either way since he left in 2002.

So what in tarnation is your beef with Todd Palin? Are you advocating that society must make it’s mission to unearth, exhume, illuminate, and punish the sins, no matter how goofy or trivial, of each and every single individual’s sordid past? Should your boss fire you today because you stole a candy bar at age 12? Should each person that muttered or shouted a racial epithet 20 years ago be thrown in prison for hate crimes? Should each and every spouse sue for divorce upon discovering that their wife or husband was unfaithful years before the married couple even met? What exactly is the point of your attacks upon a man whom you yourself admit has changed his behavior and his philosophy?

My beef is that he cannot be considered a patriot of the US if he was likely that he supported secession (evidence being that he was a member of secession party) and that he has not renounced those views. Of course anyone can change their views and behaviours – and good for them. Leaving a party doesn’t mean you have changed your views. I left the Liberal Party in the UK because I objected to them renouncing on a promise to support a referendum on the EU constitution. I am no longer a Liberal? And at the next election I expect I will vote conservative – tactically to kick out the socialist Gordon Brown. Am I no longer a Liberal? If I joined the conservatives as a party member or if I renounced my liberal views then sure. Again I haven’t said that Todd has changed his behaviour or philisophy. Who knows. But to be considered a patriot I think people should renounce such views. It’s not hard. It’s his privacy – but as Michelle’s past behaviour and comments are criticized – then what’s sause for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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@Gaffa

“If a person is a member of the KKK you would consider them a white supremacist?
If a person is a member of the Communist party would consider them a Communist?
If a person is a member of Al Qaeda would consider them a terrorist?”

While they are members of, and in public agreement with the stated aims of such organizations, then yes. If they leave such organizations and have no more to do with them, and do not show support for the goals and values of such organizations, then it behooves us to take them at their word, even if cautiously, that they are not what they once were or mistakenly thought themselves to be. Also, it is disingenuous to compare the AIP with those organizations, simply because their stated goals and beliefs are very clear cut and spelled out in big flaming block letters for all the world to see. The secession plank of the AIP is a footnote hidden amidst dozens of other ideas and beliefs, and I doubt that AIP meeting involve swearing any mystical blood oaths to rip Alaska from the union or die trying.

You yourself agree that even if he once had secessionist tendencies, he no longer has them. So what in tarnation is your beef with Todd Palin? Are you advocating that society must make it’s mission to unearth, exhume, illuminate, and punish the sins, no matter how goofy or trivial, of each and every single individual’s sordid past? Should your boss fire you today because you stole a candy bar at age 12? Should each person that muttered or shouted a racial epithet 20 years ago be thrown in prison for hate crimes? Should each and every spouse sue for divorce upon discovering that their wife or husband was unfaithful years before the married couple even met? What exactly is the point of your attacks upon a man whom you yourself admit has changed his behavior and his philosophy? I still say that it is 50/50 whether he left the AIP because he changed, or because he actually learned that what they stand for was not what he believed. You are basically assuming all sorts of knowledge that you have no earthly way of knowing, and you are condemning a man with circumstantial evidence.

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@Lightbringer

I’ve already added provisos and outside possibilities…
http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/13/todd-palin-esquires-man-for-america-now/#comment-192604

Put it this way…
If a person is a member of the KKK you would consider them a white supremacist?
If a person is a member of the Communist party would consider them a Communist?
If a person is a member of Al Qaeda would consider them a terrorist?

And I’m not saying he is a seperatist today -I said he

spent years supporting a party that campaigns for his state to break away from the US.

See past tense…

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Around and around and around we go. I’ll repeat myself. Provide proof positive that Todd supported the secession plank. Otherwise, you are just pasting your own imagination over a man’s thought process that we have no facts about. Since he left the AIP, it is just as likely as any other idea that he left BECAUSE of the secession plank. It is also just as likely that he supported it until he thought about it for awhile and realized the deeper implications. You seem hellbent on proving that merely belonging to the AIP is proof positive of iron clad secessionism. Yet you completely ignore the fact that he left the AIP, which in your less than rock solid logic should mean that he hates secession so strongly that he will kill anyone who calls for it on sight.

I’m sorry Gaffa, even you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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But I don’t support secession.

You can support 92.64% – a lot no doubt has in common with the Republican party. However unlike the AIP you DONT support secession so your patriotism in intact.

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@GaffaUK: You simply PERSIST in distorting the AIP don;’t you?

Here’s their platform:

To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.

To support and defend States’ Rights, Individual Rights, Property Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.

To advocate the convening of a State Constitutional Convention at the constitutionally designated 10 year interval.

To reinforce the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator to Alaska law, by eliminating the use of the word “privilege” in the Alaska statutes.

To amend the Constitution of the State of Alaska so as to re-establish the rights of all Alaskan residents to entry upon all public lands within the state, and to acquire private property interest there in, under fair and reasonable conditions. Such property interest shall include surface and sub-surface patent.

To foster a constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting all property taxes.

To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.

To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature.

To preserve and protect the Alaska Permanent Fund, Permanent fund earnings, earnings reserve fund and individual Permanent Fund Dividends.

To provide for the direct popular election of the attorney general, all judges, and magistrates.

To provide for the development of unrestricted, statewide, surface transportation and utility corridors as needed by the public or any individual.

To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.

To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.

To support the complete abolition of the concept of sovereign or governmental immunity, so as to restore accountability for public servants.

To support the rights of parents to privately or home school their children.

To support the privatization of government services.

To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purposes other than for capital improvements.

To strengthen the traditional family and support individual accountability without government interference or regulation.

To support the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, according to their conscience.

To support “Jobs for Alaskans…First!”

I agree with 92.64% of that. But I don’t support secession. Am I unpatriotic too?

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@Mike

Sure Palin was a member of the AIP. At least nobody seems to dispute that.

The AIP is calling for a vote on secession.
I question whether people who wish to have their state secede from the union are patriotic or not. Now Thomas Jefferson quotes were interesting but as MataHarley & Blast said actually that doesn’t seem to be a feasible option. And the South clearly want to break away. So who’s right – Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln or Jefferson Davis? Which brought me to my question over wether Jefferson Davis was a patriot of the US or not. And IF (and I think being a member of an INDEPENDENCE party is evidence) Todd was/is wanting seperation does that make him a patriot?

Put it this way – if a Scottish person wanted to break away from the UK – as some do. Then good for them and there was a vote on devolution (the half-way house towards independence). They may be patriots for Scotland but they wouldn’t in my opinion be patriotic for the existing politically union of the UK.

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@GaffaUK: Would you mind explaining to me how that has anything to do with Todd Palin? I realize I let things get off topic but it’s time to rein it in.

If anyone wants to comment on the idea that “The South Shall Rise Again” they should save it for my tax day protest post coming up shortly.

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