Hmmm, “Innocent Civilians?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIOqL86jfg4

Like the leaders of the “Palestinians,” the Japanese leadership made everyone a soldier, even schoolgirls.

It was Japan, and NOT America that was responsible for the unnecessary deaths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4LcYHzc2Mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zkzYN5qKT0
(note that it was the industrialized cities that were the targets)

But Zero-Bungler thinks he can talk to sociopaths. And he has all too many moonbat followers, like Dave Noble. Unless we can get some real conservatives in office, and more importantly, block far leftist judges from being nominated, we are in deep trouble.

UPDATE – Truman urged Japanese civilians to flee industrial cities critical to their war effort.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:7591Y9dCzooJ:millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3821+%22I+urge+Japanese+civilians+to+leave+industrial+cities+immediately,+and+save+themselves+from+destruction.%22&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Was it “terror?” Of course it was, because you don’t want your enemy to retain any confidence that they can win. Was it criminal? Only in the eyes of the losers, and of those who hate the victor. It would only be evil if we kept doing it after it was no longer necessary, as did the Japanese whenever and wherever they won.

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CORRECTION…

The bomb dropped on Nagasaki was “Fat Man” not “fat boy.” Sorry.

That dropped on Hiroshima was “Little Boy.”

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@Dave Noble

SPEAKING OF “TAKING THE BAIT”

OK, I’ll bite one more time, since you are such a glutten for punishment.

“Yon,

Hey, pal, it’s bad manners, not to mention weak, to talk about somebody behind their back to a third person. And it’s foolhardy if there’s a good chance they will catch you.
“

If I wanted to talk about you behind your back, I would email the people I wanted to share the gossip with. But I don’t do that. Besides, just how “foolhardy” is it when I know the fool is listening? There would be no point if you weren’t, because that WOULD be talking behind your’re back, and I don’t do that. (repetition enabled for the benefit of the thinking impaired reader).

“…high altitude provided a shield for the bombers, it also decreased the accuracy and impact of their bomb runs. To correct this deficiency, . . . The bomber runs would be made at night… [and incendiary bombs were used] to turn the closely-packed, wooden homes and buildings prevalent in the Japanese cities into raging infernos and ultimately into the most destructive of all weapons – the firestorm [in order for the pilots to see their targets].”

That’s right, Dave, they HAD to turn those private dwellings into a candle, a la Dresden, in order for the pilots to better see where to drop the conventional explosives, and decrease their chances of missing and also of being shot down. That’s your “precision bombing?”

The problem is that it’s still not very precise, and it wouldn’t have ended the war early and prevented much worse alternative scenarios, any of which would have included death tolls in the many hundreds of thousands, and possibly millions. Furthermore, you would have only reduced the death toll of any specific strike by about 1/2 to 1/5 of that of the nuclear strike. What a humanitarian you are! (sarcasm)

So, let me see if I have this right. You say we should have bombed at night, but we shouldn’t have firebombed the civilian homes, which if we hadn’t done, we wouldn’t have been able to fly low or see anything at night, and so we couldn’t have bombed at night after all? Is that what you are saying, Dave? (repetition enabled…..)

BTW, the Nagasaky bomb, fat boy, was dropped in between the two military targets to maximize damage to both. The population centers weren’t the main target there. It may be harder to argue with Hiroshima, but probably not too. I just don’t want to waste any more time unravelling your convoluted nonsense.

You have been, and remain, a waste of time.

(comment bookmarked for future use)

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Ummmm Dave, like most liberals you seem to think that if anyone
disagrees with you then they are the ones who are ignorant or
suffering from ideological blindness. Sorry guy, but I have been
over the Dresden issue with other leftists and you are the one grossly guilty of projection.
Like I said, you are not capable of accepting that which does not
fit into your reality.

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Thanks for the psychoanalysis, HardRight. I am however, a crazy moron who can read
Now why don’t you do the same and some historical analysis of Dresden. It will only take the use of Google and a few moments of your time. You don’t have to go to some special pacifist site or left wing blame-America-first site. Any good historical site will do.

History knows no political ideology.

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@luva the scissors:

Craig can frequently be found at the Home Planet of yours truly and I hardly qualify as a “birther” or a libertarian.

Mata does appear to like her lefty moonbat pet trolls and that’s something Craig found intolerable.

I’ll pass along your kind remarks to Craig.

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BTW, Yon commented on an open forum. NOT behind your back. You really are
mentally defective.

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Dave, you are a moron. Dresden was an industrial target first and
foremost which has been proven over and over again. Yes I know you
aren’t capabale of seeing that which does not fit into your leftist
fantasy/mental illness.

Not to mention it was a declared war and that is why war is so horrible.
Only an idiot wants it to be a touchy feely war like you do.
as has been said, efforts to sanitize war will only prolong it.

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See you on the proper thread, Mata. Yon’s discussion of WWII bombing was certainly on point on this thread, wasn’t it?

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Yon,

Hey, pal, it’s bad manners, not to mention weak, to talk about somebody behind their back to a third person. And it’s foolhardy if there’s a good chance they will catch you.

You seem fascinated with excrement. Something in your childhood? Guano is bat, not pigeon excrement. I guess when you’re fascinated with feces any crap will do. And still with the silly names.

And I hate to take your childish bait, but even with WWII technology, the bombers could have struck the military facilities without directly hitting the population center. That was done for reasons other than military necessity. You know that, but it’s more fun to be cute. And you love to be cute.

BTW, I think you got the city wrong. I believe we were talking about Tokyo. With Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the objective was clear. The population was definitely the target. The goal was to terrorize the Japanese people and bring them to their knees. But no matter, my original point stands for all three cities, as with Dresden. We deliberately targeted non-combatants. That fits not uncommon definition of terrorism.

Re: Tokyo

The Superforts returned in force at the end of the month, flying at altitudes that insured immunity from attacks by Japanese defenders. Although their high altitude provided a shield for the bombers, it also decreased the accuracy and impact of their bomb runs. To correct this deficiency, Major-General Curtis Lemay (newly appointed commander of the American Bomber Command) ordered a dramatic change in tactics. The bomber runs would be made at night, at low altitude and deliver a mixture of high explosive and incendiary bombs. The objective was to turn the closely-packed, wooden homes and buildings prevalent in the Japanese cities into raging infernos and ultimately into the most destructive of all weapons – the firestorm.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm

Notice: Fly low/at night=increased accuracy. The population centers were not collateral damage. they were the target. You can play with the semantics of “surgical/precision” all you want. Although we did not have “precision” munitions we could have largely avoided the center of the city. We didn’t because that was our target.

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