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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Children of the Corn Law Passed! -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Children of the Corn Law Passed! -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How else will the socialist Democratic elite ensure they have mandatory indentured servants to do those icky-poo jobs they.

It looks like Obama&#039;s promise of &quot;new jobs&quot; is to force America&#039;s teenagers to join his brown-shirt corps, or be forced into other menial labors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>How else will the socialist Democratic elite ensure they have mandatory indentured servants to do those icky-poo jobs they.</p>
<p>It looks like Obama&#8217;s promise of &#8220;new jobs&#8221; is to force America&#8217;s teenagers to join his brown-shirt corps, or be forced into other menial labors.</p>
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		<title>By: ruaqtpi2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruaqtpi2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.R. 1844 has much to be feared.  In two separate areas - Sec. 4 (b) sub-sections (5) and (6), wording has been introduced to look into ALL citizens to be expected or required to perform a certain amount of public service, and to look into whether a mandatory service requirement for ALL ABLE YOUNG PEOPLE [emphases mine]. This appears to be tantamount to involuntary servitude, even if only temporary, something against which our Constitution is supposed to protect us.

The authors/presenters of the bill are also all Democrats (no surprise there): Kennedy [Rhode Island], McDermott [Washington], Moran [Virginia], Ruppersberger [Maryland], and Van Hollen [Maryland].

There’s a Commission (part of the legislative branch) whose Chairperson is to be selected by the Speaker of the House, and an Advisory Board (selected by the majority leaders of the House and Senate), so is it any wonder why I consider this to be an extension of Obama’s current power grab?

And all of the costs of Directors, Experts, and Consultants are (of course) to be paid from taxpayer funds.

There’s something else that seems odd here: the bill calls for a Commission to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service (not public service, mind you), yet the bill also recognizes (in Section 2. (3) that national service and volunteerism are increasing.  So why do we need a bill to do what is happening naturally, unless the bill’s creators want to play around with the process? Could it be that they want to manipulate national service and volunteerism for their own political purposes? Couldn’t be, could it?

I think that Republicans and third-party legislators should propose similar bills of their own, or at least change the authorship or sponsorship of the current bill to explicitly denote that the bill was not designed for particular partisan purposes.

Jeff V</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>H.R. 1844 has much to be feared.  In two separate areas &#8211; Sec. 4 (b) sub-sections (5) and (6), wording has been introduced to look into ALL citizens to be expected or required to perform a certain amount of public service, and to look into whether a mandatory service requirement for ALL ABLE YOUNG PEOPLE [emphases mine]. This appears to be tantamount to involuntary servitude, even if only temporary, something against which our Constitution is supposed to protect us.</p>
<p>The authors/presenters of the bill are also all Democrats (no surprise there): Kennedy [Rhode Island], McDermott [Washington], Moran [Virginia], Ruppersberger [Maryland], and Van Hollen [Maryland].</p>
<p>There’s a Commission (part of the legislative branch) whose Chairperson is to be selected by the Speaker of the House, and an Advisory Board (selected by the majority leaders of the House and Senate), so is it any wonder why I consider this to be an extension of Obama’s current power grab?</p>
<p>And all of the costs of Directors, Experts, and Consultants are (of course) to be paid from taxpayer funds.</p>
<p>There’s something else that seems odd here: the bill calls for a Commission to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service (not public service, mind you), yet the bill also recognizes (in Section 2. (3) that national service and volunteerism are increasing.  So why do we need a bill to do what is happening naturally, unless the bill’s creators want to play around with the process? Could it be that they want to manipulate national service and volunteerism for their own political purposes? Couldn’t be, could it?</p>
<p>I think that Republicans and third-party legislators should propose similar bills of their own, or at least change the authorship or sponsorship of the current bill to explicitly denote that the bill was not designed for particular partisan purposes.</p>
<p>Jeff V</p>
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		<title>By: Hattie Mae</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/03/29/children-of-the-corn-law/comment-page-1/#comment-185919</link>
		<dc:creator>Hattie Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigmundringeck,  I would agree to what you say other than the &quot;slowly&quot; part... : (

The government is attempting to take the place of God and impose it&#039;s definition of character development on our youth.  That is the parents&#039; responsibility and for many of us, hopefully even most of us, we do teach and disciple our children in the acquisition of norms and standards by our faith in God.  

But when the government takes on that parental responsibility as it&#039;s own right,  the character that is developed will be void of any worship and practice of faith in The Creator and instead will be done &quot;as unto the government&quot; instead of &quot;as unto The Lord&quot;...

Government has three resposnibilities aisi,  to preserve our [b]freedoms[/b], to administer right and true[b] justice[/b], and finally to work to insure the [b]peace[/b] of our people and the safety of our land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Sigmundringeck,  I would agree to what you say other than the &#8220;slowly&#8221; part&#8230; : (</p>
<p>The government is attempting to take the place of God and impose it&#8217;s definition of character development on our youth.  That is the parents&#8217; responsibility and for many of us, hopefully even most of us, we do teach and disciple our children in the acquisition of norms and standards by our faith in God.  </p>
<p>But when the government takes on that parental responsibility as it&#8217;s own right,  the character that is developed will be void of any worship and practice of faith in The Creator and instead will be done &#8220;as unto the government&#8221; instead of &#8220;as unto The Lord&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Government has three resposnibilities aisi,  to preserve our [b]freedoms[/b], to administer right and true[b] justice[/b], and finally to work to insure the [b]peace[/b] of our people and the safety of our land.</p>
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		<title>By: sigmundringeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigmundringeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys will slowly become even more communist than us.</description>
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		<title>By: Hattie Mae</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/03/29/children-of-the-corn-law/comment-page-1/#comment-185859</link>
		<dc:creator>Hattie Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sixteen year old son has his own take on this.

Years ago, when he was only ten, I asked him to consider the possibilities of a few different ways to volunteer some of his time during summer vacation.  He decided it was a good idea and that checking out the possibilities of reading to the elderly at a nursing home would be a grand idea.  He had hoped to make friends with some older men who might share stories of their youth, heroic tales too of military service, and play a mean game of checkers.

Today before he went to school, I talked to him again.  This time about this possible mandatory &quot;volunteerism.&quot;  He told me that he believes that the social development that can be gained by volunteer service would not occur if the work was mandated.  To me, he made a good point, all fears of big government aside.

He concluded that certain skills could be learned.  And that certain positive results could still take place in helping others.  But he also said that he thinks people would lose their sense of neighborliness and connectedness if even our charity and compassion, our willingness to assist others was micro-managed by the government.  He likened it to me telling him to clean his room as opposed to when he volunteers to do the dishes for his girlfriend&#039;s mother when he eats a meal there.  :)  In one instance, the gratitude he feels inspires his duty.  In another, the &quot;big government&quot; of Mom is his more obvious motivation.  (Not that he isn&#039;t grateful for his home and all... LOL)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>My sixteen year old son has his own take on this.</p>
<p>Years ago, when he was only ten, I asked him to consider the possibilities of a few different ways to volunteer some of his time during summer vacation.  He decided it was a good idea and that checking out the possibilities of reading to the elderly at a nursing home would be a grand idea.  He had hoped to make friends with some older men who might share stories of their youth, heroic tales too of military service, and play a mean game of checkers.</p>
<p>Today before he went to school, I talked to him again.  This time about this possible mandatory &#8220;volunteerism.&#8221;  He told me that he believes that the social development that can be gained by volunteer service would not occur if the work was mandated.  To me, he made a good point, all fears of big government aside.</p>
<p>He concluded that certain skills could be learned.  And that certain positive results could still take place in helping others.  But he also said that he thinks people would lose their sense of neighborliness and connectedness if even our charity and compassion, our willingness to assist others was micro-managed by the government.  He likened it to me telling him to clean his room as opposed to when he volunteers to do the dishes for his girlfriend&#8217;s mother when he eats a meal there.  <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   In one instance, the gratitude he feels inspires his duty.  In another, the &#8220;big government&#8221; of Mom is his more obvious motivation.  (Not that he isn&#8217;t grateful for his home and all&#8230; LOL)</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should have employment for ignorant people. Gives the cops a break.</description>
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		<title>By: Skye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wisdom,

The &#039;mandatory service&#039; is back, transformed into a blue ribbon panel to investigate methods of improving &#039;volunteerism&#039;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1444&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H.R. 1444&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wisdom,</p>
<p>The &#8216;mandatory service&#8217; is back, transformed into a blue ribbon panel to investigate methods of improving &#8216;volunteerism&#8217;: <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1444" rel="nofollow">H.R. 1444</a></p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It quite frankly smells of Racism &amp; Class Warfare. As a reminder, the 13th Amendment expressly forbids Involuntary Servitude in any form. Congress has clearly overstepped it&#039;s Constitutional bounds on this piece of worthless legislation. The judicial Branch needs to toss this business out on it&#039;s ear.

America needs more Programs right now like a hog needs a holiday. It is not money well or prudently spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It quite frankly smells of Racism &amp; Class Warfare. As a reminder, the 13th Amendment expressly forbids Involuntary Servitude in any form. Congress has clearly overstepped it&#8217;s Constitutional bounds on this piece of worthless legislation. The judicial Branch needs to toss this business out on it&#8217;s ear.</p>
<p>America needs more Programs right now like a hog needs a holiday. It is not money well or prudently spent.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>luva, I read thru the bills.  It&#039;s very &quot;affirmative action&quot; oriented.  But any participating school will be required to place curriculum &quot;encouraging&quot; participation as part of the requirement for the funds.

BTW, the feds will only cover 50% of the funding.  The rest has to be drummed up by the organization that wants to participate.  Unless, of course, they can get a waiver by not being able to afford it.  Then the feds will work out other arrangements, as they are specifically trying to get this placed in the income challenged neighborhoods.  

You&#039;ll also find that the &quot;volunteer&quot; leadership is to give preference to minority and income challenged as well.

You can read the text at GovTrack.  HR1388, S243 and also read S277.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>luva, I read thru the bills.  It&#8217;s very &#8220;affirmative action&#8221; oriented.  But any participating school will be required to place curriculum &#8220;encouraging&#8221; participation as part of the requirement for the funds.</p>
<p>BTW, the feds will only cover 50% of the funding.  The rest has to be drummed up by the organization that wants to participate.  Unless, of course, they can get a waiver by not being able to afford it.  Then the feds will work out other arrangements, as they are specifically trying to get this placed in the income challenged neighborhoods.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also find that the &#8220;volunteer&#8221; leadership is to give preference to minority and income challenged as well.</p>
<p>You can read the text at GovTrack.  HR1388, S243 and also read S277.</p>
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