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		<title>By: thaDeetz</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/02/23/a-contrived-crisis-you-decide-reader-post/comment-page-1/#comment-174757</link>
		<dc:creator>thaDeetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-174583&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GaffaUK&lt;/a&gt;: 

Soros, by his own words, noted nazi collaborator, is a marxist in capitalist clothing.

He is certainly not disinclined to sell out his own mother.

Your simple dismissals strike me as naive or either Fabian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-174583" rel="nofollow">GaffaUK</a>: </p>
<p>Soros, by his own words, noted nazi collaborator, is a marxist in capitalist clothing.</p>
<p>He is certainly not disinclined to sell out his own mother.</p>
<p>Your simple dismissals strike me as naive or either Fabian.</p>
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		<title>By: GaffaUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaffaUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@theDeetz

As unpleasant as it is to see certain investors make millions during bad times through falling markets - doesn&#039;t mean they caused it. I&#039;m sure in most cases - they opportunistically profited from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@theDeetz</p>
<p>As unpleasant as it is to see certain investors make millions during bad times through falling markets &#8211; doesn&#8217;t mean they caused it. I&#8217;m sure in most cases &#8211; they opportunistically profited from it.</p>
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		<title>By: thaDeetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaDeetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-172707&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nancy Morgan&lt;/a&gt;: 

In terms of 40 years of Government Schools. . . 

search. . . 

John Taylor Gatto

&amp;
Charlotte Iserbyt

Our government schools have been doing an excellent job at what they were designed to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-172707" rel="nofollow">Nancy Morgan</a>: </p>
<p>In terms of 40 years of Government Schools. . . </p>
<p>search. . . </p>
<p>John Taylor Gatto</p>
<p>&amp;<br />
Charlotte Iserbyt</p>
<p>Our government schools have been doing an excellent job at what they were designed to do.</p>
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		<title>By: thaDeetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaDeetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-173036&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GaffaUK&lt;/a&gt;: 

&quot;They got suckered in&quot;

As dictated by Community Reinvest Act, quotas had to be met under threat of the Clinton DOJ, with ACORN leading the way.  I have firsthand knowledge of ACORN&#039;s tactics.  For one, our retiring Office Mgr. was quite aware of their intimidation.  In addition, his replacement that we hired was an Asst. Mgr. from the local, regional bank we did business with.  To them, ACORN was a four letter word, persona non grata.

&quot;George Soros is a capitialist who wants to make money.&quot;

This would not be the first time Soros shorted a market that resulted in a total market melt-down.

He had done the same to Briton, I think was the country, back in the 90&#039;s.

As per Rep. Kanjorski: $550 Billion Disappeared in &quot;Electronic Run On the Banks&quot; on Thursday 9/11/08 that resulted in the Fed. suspending the transfers and closing those accounts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMu1mFao3w

Prior to the run, McCain was ahead in most polls.

So where is my tin-foil hat?

No, I am not a &quot;Truther&quot; in terms of an &#039;inside-job&#039;.  

However, the Able-Danger issue was rather unceremoniously put to rest.  

And let&#039;s not forget, in the 90&#039;s, Ms. Gorelick oversaw one of those failed GSE&#039;s.  She pocketed something just south of $90 million.

I&#039;m just sayin&#039; either these folks are catastrophically inept or they are following the orchestrated crisis model to a T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-173036" rel="nofollow">GaffaUK</a>: </p>
<p>&#8220;They got suckered in&#8221;</p>
<p>As dictated by Community Reinvest Act, quotas had to be met under threat of the Clinton DOJ, with ACORN leading the way.  I have firsthand knowledge of ACORN&#8217;s tactics.  For one, our retiring Office Mgr. was quite aware of their intimidation.  In addition, his replacement that we hired was an Asst. Mgr. from the local, regional bank we did business with.  To them, ACORN was a four letter word, persona non grata.</p>
<p>&#8220;George Soros is a capitialist who wants to make money.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would not be the first time Soros shorted a market that resulted in a total market melt-down.</p>
<p>He had done the same to Briton, I think was the country, back in the 90&#8242;s.</p>
<p>As per Rep. Kanjorski: $550 Billion Disappeared in &#8220;Electronic Run On the Banks&#8221; on Thursday 9/11/08 that resulted in the Fed. suspending the transfers and closing those accounts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMu1mFao3w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMu1mFao3w</a></p>
<p>Prior to the run, McCain was ahead in most polls.</p>
<p>So where is my tin-foil hat?</p>
<p>No, I am not a &#8220;Truther&#8221; in terms of an &#8216;inside-job&#8217;.  </p>
<p>However, the Able-Danger issue was rather unceremoniously put to rest.  </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget, in the 90&#8242;s, Ms. Gorelick oversaw one of those failed GSE&#8217;s.  She pocketed something just south of $90 million.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217; either these folks are catastrophically inept or they are following the orchestrated crisis model to a T.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was posted in what appears to be an ultimate conspiracy blog in May of 08.  What alarms me are the predictions listed within the body of the thread,  particularly the first two.  They are providing links, but most of the links go back to previous blog posts made by the same person and I couldn&#039;t find any other credible sources.

There was a secret session in Congress in March of 08 regarding FISA, Dennis Kucinich protested debating in closed session, the video is available through C-SPAN.  If, they discussed the  collapse of the economy  in that session a year ago, that means they all knew it was coming.

Is this a stopped clock is right twice a day thing?  Or, could a portion of it really have been leaked by members of Congress and creative conspiracists went crazy with the rest?  Bizarre.




&lt;blockquote&gt;A secret meeting of Congress discusses immanent martial law. 

&lt;strong&gt;March 13, 2008&lt;/strong&gt;

On &lt;strong&gt;March 13th 2008 &lt;/strong&gt;there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the house. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world. The mass media said almost nothing about the secret meeting of the House, mentioning only one of the items being discussed. (The new surveillance techniques that are going to be used by the U.S. Government to watch all American citizens). The story was first released in a newspaper out of Brisbane, Australia revealing the contents of the secret U.S. Government meeting and plans for America including all of it’s citizens. Shortly there after, David J. Meyer from Last Trumpet Ministries found it and made it more available for the world to see.

Here is what was revealed:

&lt;strong&gt;The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008 
The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009&lt;/strong&gt; 
The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse 
The advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. Citizens” likely to move against the government 
The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States 
The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses 
The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest 
The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union 
The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

More:
http://dprogram.net/2008/05/21/as-america-collapses-us-government-secret-plans-revealed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This was posted in what appears to be an ultimate conspiracy blog in May of 08.  What alarms me are the predictions listed within the body of the thread,  particularly the first two.  They are providing links, but most of the links go back to previous blog posts made by the same person and I couldn&#8217;t find any other credible sources.</p>
<p>There was a secret session in Congress in March of 08 regarding FISA, Dennis Kucinich protested debating in closed session, the video is available through C-SPAN.  If, they discussed the  collapse of the economy  in that session a year ago, that means they all knew it was coming.</p>
<p>Is this a stopped clock is right twice a day thing?  Or, could a portion of it really have been leaked by members of Congress and creative conspiracists went crazy with the rest?  Bizarre.</p>
<blockquote><p>A secret meeting of Congress discusses immanent martial law. </p>
<p><strong>March 13, 2008</strong></p>
<p>On <strong>March 13th 2008 </strong>there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the house. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world. The mass media said almost nothing about the secret meeting of the House, mentioning only one of the items being discussed. (The new surveillance techniques that are going to be used by the U.S. Government to watch all American citizens). The story was first released in a newspaper out of Brisbane, Australia revealing the contents of the secret U.S. Government meeting and plans for America including all of it’s citizens. Shortly there after, David J. Meyer from Last Trumpet Ministries found it and made it more available for the world to see.</p>
<p>Here is what was revealed:</p>
<p><strong>The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008<br />
The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009</strong><br />
The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse<br />
The advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. Citizens” likely to move against the government<br />
The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States<br />
The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses<br />
The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest<br />
The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union<br />
The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution. </p></blockquote>
<p>More:<br />
<a href="http://dprogram.net/2008/05/21/as-america-collapses-us-government-secret-plans-revealed/" rel="nofollow">http://dprogram.net/2008/05/21/as-america-collapses-us-government-secret-plans-revealed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: GaffaUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaffaUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this conspiracy theory is about as credible as the 9/11 conspiracy theories. At the end of the day certain banks got greedy. It undestandable that people would want to buy their own homes. They got suckered in - thinking the market was going to always go up so they went for these deals where they didn&#039;t have a deposit. The banks took stupid risks for short-term gains. The regulators were asleep. George Soros is a capitialist who wants to make money. All these secret socialist conspiracies are worthy of McCartyism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>All this conspiracy theory is about as credible as the 9/11 conspiracy theories. At the end of the day certain banks got greedy. It undestandable that people would want to buy their own homes. They got suckered in &#8211; thinking the market was going to always go up so they went for these deals where they didn&#8217;t have a deposit. The banks took stupid risks for short-term gains. The regulators were asleep. George Soros is a capitialist who wants to make money. All these secret socialist conspiracies are worthy of McCartyism.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missy,
That&#039;s the result of 40 years of government schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Missy,<br />
That&#8217;s the result of 40 years of government schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-172529&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thaDeetz&lt;/a&gt;: 

Beck discussed recent polling, 24% of those polled think the government is spending it&#039;s own money, unbelievable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-172529" rel="nofollow">thaDeetz</a>: </p>
<p>Beck discussed recent polling, 24% of those polled think the government is spending it&#8217;s own money, unbelievable!</p>
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		<title>By: thaDeetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaDeetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google. . . 

Cloward-Piven Strategy &amp; Orchestrated Crisis

&amp;

Shadow Party

In light of Barrack&#039;s &quot;Break-Out&quot; seasons on economic &amp; health-care solutions etc., Google. . . 

The Delphi Technique

These &quot;theories&quot; can be researched at 

www.FreeRepublic.com 
and 
www.AmericanThinker.com
and
www.FrontPageMag.com

Just because Red-Diaper-Baby Obama was not there when the CRA began, does not necessarily mean that he would not want to fully exploit the crisis it would eventually foster.  

Hurry, hurry, hurry, rush, rush, rush before the masses catch on. 

What did both Rahm and Hillary, today, say about exploiting crises?

Different government programs are conceived so that they will grow, metastasize and eventually become the proverbial straw that breaks the camel&#039;s back, breeding a crisis to hype.

Why do we continue to owe $65 trillion for Soc.Sec. and Medicare with no solution in sight? 

Why can&#039;t we introduce competition into education?

Why is there an ignorant refusal to control the southern border while Mexico is on the verge of collapse?

Gorelick&#039;s Wall and the Able Danger memory-hole?

Since Wall Street is neck-deep in this bad-paper mess, which btw, could be mitigated by simply changing mark-to-market rule, the present crisis kill&#039;s three needed birds w/ one stone.  

1. Destruction of personal capital.

2.  It allows congress to almost destroy whats left of free-market capitalism. . . 

3. . . . all the while giving the left insipid talking points to non-factually discredit the free-market since much of the financial hyper-activity occurred on Wall Street, although the nub is still faulty Fed policy.  

The fact that this nucleus of bad Fed paper, which was undeniably guaranteed by the corrupt Fed&#039;s GSEs, can be so easily dismissed as cause, is that for one, capitalism has been so thoroughly trashed by all things Left and that two, the economically ignorant lemmings have been preconditioned by monopolistic government schools to lack any independent, critical thought.  

The very same government school system that employs the Delphi Technique for an Outcome-Based education.

Nah, nothing going on here. . . MoveOn errr, move along.

thaDeetz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Google. . . </p>
<p>Cloward-Piven Strategy &amp; Orchestrated Crisis</p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p>Shadow Party</p>
<p>In light of Barrack&#8217;s &#8220;Break-Out&#8221; seasons on economic &amp; health-care solutions etc., Google. . . </p>
<p>The Delphi Technique</p>
<p>These &#8220;theories&#8221; can be researched at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.FreeRepublic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.FreeRepublic.com</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.AmericanThinker.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.AmericanThinker.com</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.FrontPageMag.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.FrontPageMag.com</a></p>
<p>Just because Red-Diaper-Baby Obama was not there when the CRA began, does not necessarily mean that he would not want to fully exploit the crisis it would eventually foster.  </p>
<p>Hurry, hurry, hurry, rush, rush, rush before the masses catch on. </p>
<p>What did both Rahm and Hillary, today, say about exploiting crises?</p>
<p>Different government programs are conceived so that they will grow, metastasize and eventually become the proverbial straw that breaks the camel&#8217;s back, breeding a crisis to hype.</p>
<p>Why do we continue to owe $65 trillion for Soc.Sec. and Medicare with no solution in sight? </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we introduce competition into education?</p>
<p>Why is there an ignorant refusal to control the southern border while Mexico is on the verge of collapse?</p>
<p>Gorelick&#8217;s Wall and the Able Danger memory-hole?</p>
<p>Since Wall Street is neck-deep in this bad-paper mess, which btw, could be mitigated by simply changing mark-to-market rule, the present crisis kill&#8217;s three needed birds w/ one stone.  </p>
<p>1. Destruction of personal capital.</p>
<p>2.  It allows congress to almost destroy whats left of free-market capitalism. . . </p>
<p>3. . . . all the while giving the left insipid talking points to non-factually discredit the free-market since much of the financial hyper-activity occurred on Wall Street, although the nub is still faulty Fed policy.  </p>
<p>The fact that this nucleus of bad Fed paper, which was undeniably guaranteed by the corrupt Fed&#8217;s GSEs, can be so easily dismissed as cause, is that for one, capitalism has been so thoroughly trashed by all things Left and that two, the economically ignorant lemmings have been preconditioned by monopolistic government schools to lack any independent, critical thought.  </p>
<p>The very same government school system that employs the Delphi Technique for an Outcome-Based education.</p>
<p>Nah, nothing going on here. . . MoveOn errr, move along.</p>
<p>thaDeetz</p>
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		<title>By: Michael in MI</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/02/23/a-contrived-crisis-you-decide-reader-post/comment-page-1/#comment-166491</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-166488&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe Doakes&lt;/a&gt;: 

Stop talking about inconvenient facts, Joe.  Don&#039;t you know this was all the fault of President Bush and the GOP, whose utterly disastrous leadership for the past 8 and 6 years, respectively, were the *sole* causes of our economic demise?  Blast told me so, so it must be true and absolutely no other causes factored into it.  Nope, all Bush and GOP.  Period.</description>
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<p>Stop talking about inconvenient facts, Joe.  Don&#8217;t you know this was all the fault of President Bush and the GOP, whose utterly disastrous leadership for the past 8 and 6 years, respectively, were the *sole* causes of our economic demise?  Blast told me so, so it must be true and absolutely no other causes factored into it.  Nope, all Bush and GOP.  Period.</p>
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