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		<title>By: GaffaUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaffaUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike

&#039;You know the rules by now… Repbublicans are blamed no matter what when things go wrong and get none of the credit when they go right.&#039;

And I&#039;m sure the reverse is true with right wing media, commentators etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ Mike</p>
<p>&#8216;You know the rules by now… Repbublicans are blamed no matter what when things go wrong and get none of the credit when they go right.&#8217;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure the reverse is true with right wing media, commentators etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Just How Low Have Democrats Sunk – Is Killing Seniors Now Not Beyond Limits?&gt;&gt;

You know...it might not be so bad if the Congress didn&#039;t have their own health plan that doesn&#039;t have the same limitations as the rest of us...

I can think of some seniors we could afford to lose sooner rather than later...</description>
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<p>You know&#8230;it might not be so bad if the Congress didn&#8217;t have their own health plan that doesn&#8217;t have the same limitations as the rest of us&#8230;</p>
<p>I can think of some seniors we could afford to lose sooner rather than later&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out.  It might as well be entitled &quot;How the crisis that defeated McCain was engineered&quot;...

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-700-billion-averted-end-of-our.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Check this out.  It might as well be entitled &#8220;How the crisis that defeated McCain was engineered&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-700-billion-averted-end-of-our.html" rel="nofollow">http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-700-billion-averted-end-of-our.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, some of those 400,000 new bureaucrats will be employed in the new healthcare reform plan that has been hidden in the Stimulus Plan.

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_mccaughey&amp;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Just How Low Have Democrats Sunk – Is Killing Seniors Now Not Beyond Limits?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8345</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Well, some of those 400,000 new bureaucrats will be employed in the new healthcare reform plan that has been hidden in the Stimulus Plan.</p>
<p>Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&#038;refer=columnist_mccaughey&#038;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&#038;refer=columnist_mccaughey&#038;sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs</a></p>
<p>Just How Low Have Democrats Sunk – Is Killing Seniors Now Not Beyond Limits?</p>
<p><a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8345" rel="nofollow">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8345</a></p>
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		<title>By: ruaqtpi2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruaqtpi2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Michael Moon, regarding your questions about 

&quot;That’s 400,000 new bureaucrats.
What will they do? Why does the already bloated federal bureaucracy need 400,000 more? What value does a single federal employee add?&quot;

The answer is something you most certainly already know. It&#039;s 400,000 Democratic votes, especially when facing an opposition candidate wanting to reduce the size of (and waste in) government.

The (public) teachers&#039; union NEA is a perfect example. They always raise a stink whenever anyone talks about public school reform. My wife is a public school teacher, and as soon as any reform is hinted at, the union circulates rumors that pensions are going to be eliminated. EVERY potential change to the public school system is automatically equated with a loss of pension. The fear of losing any &quot;government&quot; money keeps these people voting Democratic. 

The way the Left keeps people subservient is disgusting. Ruin industry, then coax people into believing they can&#039;t do any better than a job that the government &quot;gives&quot; them.

It&#039;s amazing that those of us opposed to an omnipresent, omnipowerful government have been able to survive (and even thrive) in such an environment. The debt of the &quot;stimulus&quot; package is designed to keep the private from succeeding. 

JV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>To Michael Moon, regarding your questions about </p>
<p>&#8220;That’s 400,000 new bureaucrats.<br />
What will they do? Why does the already bloated federal bureaucracy need 400,000 more? What value does a single federal employee add?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is something you most certainly already know. It&#8217;s 400,000 Democratic votes, especially when facing an opposition candidate wanting to reduce the size of (and waste in) government.</p>
<p>The (public) teachers&#8217; union NEA is a perfect example. They always raise a stink whenever anyone talks about public school reform. My wife is a public school teacher, and as soon as any reform is hinted at, the union circulates rumors that pensions are going to be eliminated. EVERY potential change to the public school system is automatically equated with a loss of pension. The fear of losing any &#8220;government&#8221; money keeps these people voting Democratic. </p>
<p>The way the Left keeps people subservient is disgusting. Ruin industry, then coax people into believing they can&#8217;t do any better than a job that the government &#8220;gives&#8221; them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that those of us opposed to an omnipresent, omnipowerful government have been able to survive (and even thrive) in such an environment. The debt of the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; package is designed to keep the private from succeeding. </p>
<p>JV</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.R. You know the rules by now... Repbublicans are blamed no matter what when things go wrong and get none of the credit when they go right.

Did Bush get ANY credit for the relative prosperity of 7 out of 8 years in office? NO...  But he sure as heck took the blame for the credit mess.

Did Democrats bear any blame for the housing mess? No..... 

If the economy rebounds the &quot;news&quot; media will say it was all due to Obama&#039;s economic policy. If the economy continues to sag, they&#039;ll blame it on Republicans in congress even though they were nearly shut out of the bill writing process.

Like ethics and morals, accountability is a one way street with difference driving rules for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>H.R. You know the rules by now&#8230; Repbublicans are blamed no matter what when things go wrong and get none of the credit when they go right.</p>
<p>Did Bush get ANY credit for the relative prosperity of 7 out of 8 years in office? NO&#8230;  But he sure as heck took the blame for the credit mess.</p>
<p>Did Democrats bear any blame for the housing mess? No&#8230;.. </p>
<p>If the economy rebounds the &#8220;news&#8221; media will say it was all due to Obama&#8217;s economic policy. If the economy continues to sag, they&#8217;ll blame it on Republicans in congress even though they were nearly shut out of the bill writing process.</p>
<p>Like ethics and morals, accountability is a one way street with difference driving rules for Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw where some of the recipients of TARP funds have been giving and continue to give millions to 
Congress. Funny, that would be called a kickback for us average Joes.

Karl Rove may warn the Reps that if the economy improves later this year, the Reps will 
lose out on any credit for the &quot;recovery&quot;. 
True, but if it doesn&#039;t and they voted for it they would get the blame too. It&#039;s a gamble
either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Just saw where some of the recipients of TARP funds have been giving and continue to give millions to<br />
Congress. Funny, that would be called a kickback for us average Joes.</p>
<p>Karl Rove may warn the Reps that if the economy improves later this year, the Reps will<br />
lose out on any credit for the &#8220;recovery&#8221;.<br />
True, but if it doesn&#8217;t and they voted for it they would get the blame too. It&#8217;s a gamble<br />
either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;buy American&quot; provision was for iron and steel and has already been changed in the Senate version.  Don&#039;t know what will  happen after the House and Senate meet on the final bill.  From this article, it doesn&#039;t sound as though members in the House will be too happy about changing it.  If it finds its way into the final bill, Canada already threatened last week to look at the oil and gas contracts again.  Flashback to the Obama/Goolsbee fiasco last year when Obama mentioned reworking NAFTA.

&#039;Buy American&#039; provision watered down in economic stimulus bill
5 days ago

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Senate has defanged the &quot;Buy American&quot; provision contained in a huge economic recovery bill, watering down the controversial measure that threatened to ignite a cross-border trade war just two weeks before President Barack Obama&#039;s visit to Canada.

The multi-billion-dollar economic stimulus package now includes a requirement that international trade agreements must not be violated as a result of the &quot;Buy American&quot; provision.

The softening of &quot;Buy American&quot; came late Wednesday night, just 24 hours after Obama warned senators about the dangers of protectionism in the face of a global economic meltdown.

Canada, the European Union and several prominent U.S. corporations had complained bitterly about the provision, saying it risked violating world trade agreements and could spark a litany of global trade skirmishes.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hUt01dY5Bekx_vuU3qgNbo-uWHRA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>That &#8220;buy American&#8221; provision was for iron and steel and has already been changed in the Senate version.  Don&#8217;t know what will  happen after the House and Senate meet on the final bill.  From this article, it doesn&#8217;t sound as though members in the House will be too happy about changing it.  If it finds its way into the final bill, Canada already threatened last week to look at the oil and gas contracts again.  Flashback to the Obama/Goolsbee fiasco last year when Obama mentioned reworking NAFTA.</p>
<p>&#8216;Buy American&#8217; provision watered down in economic stimulus bill<br />
5 days ago</p>
<p>WASHINGTON — The U.S. Senate has defanged the &#8220;Buy American&#8221; provision contained in a huge economic recovery bill, watering down the controversial measure that threatened to ignite a cross-border trade war just two weeks before President Barack Obama&#8217;s visit to Canada.</p>
<p>The multi-billion-dollar economic stimulus package now includes a requirement that international trade agreements must not be violated as a result of the &#8220;Buy American&#8221; provision.</p>
<p>The softening of &#8220;Buy American&#8221; came late Wednesday night, just 24 hours after Obama warned senators about the dangers of protectionism in the face of a global economic meltdown.</p>
<p>Canada, the European Union and several prominent U.S. corporations had complained bitterly about the provision, saying it risked violating world trade agreements and could spark a litany of global trade skirmishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/02/09/stimulating-thoughts-cbo-warns-dem-bill-would-damage-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-161273</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The buy-American clauses will do the same damage to the US and world economies that similar policies did in the 30&#039;s.  Yeah, let&#039;s have a trade war, drive global demand for everything down by artificially raising prices through tariffs and trade quotas.  Yeah, that&#039;ll work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The buy-American clauses will do the same damage to the US and world economies that similar policies did in the 30&#8242;s.  Yeah, let&#8217;s have a trade war, drive global demand for everything down by artificially raising prices through tariffs and trade quotas.  Yeah, that&#8217;ll work.</p>
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		<title>By: GaffaUK</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/02/09/stimulating-thoughts-cbo-warns-dem-bill-would-damage-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-161263</link>
		<dc:creator>GaffaUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the buyer&#039;s choice if the buyer&#039;s hands are tied and doesn&#039;t that violate world trade agreements? And beside isn&#039;t protectism going to make matters worse as this causes international trade wars which only damages economies?</description>
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