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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/01/13/peace-love-hope-change-and-calls-to-kill-the-jews/#comment-152548</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What do you do?  What do you do indeed?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmmm, good question.  

Let&#039;s see...

OPTION A
I think I would make some rockets, fill em w shrapnel, then launch them into towns with the intent of killing as many civilians as possible, AND I would launch from my kids schoolyard so if someone tried to stop me by striking back, my kid and so many others could die for a piece of dirt that there&#039;s no way in hell I&#039;m gonna get back.  Yeah, that&#039;s a brilliant idea.  That, and throwing rocks at people w guns then complaining when they shoot back.  That&#039;s even more brilliant.

OR

OPTION B
I could start life anew, and when other people tried to launch rockets at civilians from my backyard...I could tell em to leave so as to not turn my backyard into a laser-guided bomb magnet.

Yeah, I think I&#039;d go w the second option here.

btw, Israel wasn&#039;t occupying Gaza and wasn&#039;t even attacking Gaza when this all started in December.  Hamas declared it would break the cease-fire on 12/18/08, and thus the onus for restarting the cycle of violence is on their shoulders this time.  Since Israel wasn&#039;t occupying Gaza, the people in Gaza just aren&#039;t gonna get a lotta sympathy about land disputes that are at LEAST three generations old.  That&#039;d be like Americans caring about people displaced today from Katrina, or from the TVA projects 60yrs ago.  In this country...in this culture, we take lemons and make lemonade-maybe not right away, but certainly within 3 generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>What do you do?  What do you do indeed?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm, good question.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230;</p>
<p>OPTION A<br />
I think I would make some rockets, fill em w shrapnel, then launch them into towns with the intent of killing as many civilians as possible, AND I would launch from my kids schoolyard so if someone tried to stop me by striking back, my kid and so many others could die for a piece of dirt that there&#8217;s no way in hell I&#8217;m gonna get back.  Yeah, that&#8217;s a brilliant idea.  That, and throwing rocks at people w guns then complaining when they shoot back.  That&#8217;s even more brilliant.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>OPTION B<br />
I could start life anew, and when other people tried to launch rockets at civilians from my backyard&#8230;I could tell em to leave so as to not turn my backyard into a laser-guided bomb magnet.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think I&#8217;d go w the second option here.</p>
<p>btw, Israel wasn&#8217;t occupying Gaza and wasn&#8217;t even attacking Gaza when this all started in December.  Hamas declared it would break the cease-fire on 12/18/08, and thus the onus for restarting the cycle of violence is on their shoulders this time.  Since Israel wasn&#8217;t occupying Gaza, the people in Gaza just aren&#8217;t gonna get a lotta sympathy about land disputes that are at LEAST three generations old.  That&#8217;d be like Americans caring about people displaced today from Katrina, or from the TVA projects 60yrs ago.  In this country&#8230;in this culture, we take lemons and make lemonade-maybe not right away, but certainly within 3 generations.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with your analogy is assuming only Palestinians are indigenous to the lands, Muhammed.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalpolitician.com/22922-israelpali&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; Global Politician does a good job in pointing out historical facts you wish to ignore.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;...that &quot;the historic heart of the Palestinian city of Hebron&quot; happens to include the ancient Jewish Quarter of Hebron built on land purchased by Jews in 1540. 

Jews lived there until 24 August 1929 when 67 Jewish men women and children were slaughtered by a crowd of rampaging Arabs . The remaining Jewish population of 750 were forced to flee. Some returned in 1931 but were forced to leave when the Arabs rioted again in 1936. Jews returned to the Jewish Quarter after the Six Day War to a very hostile welcome from the Arab residents. 

Hebron contains the traditional burial place of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Sarah, Leah and Rebecca - one of Jewry&#039;s holiest sites - which the Bible records was purchased by Abraham in 1753BC. 

Hebron is therefore more than just a Palestinian city. It has a far longer Jewish history - one of great religious significance for Jews. 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;font size=3&gt;~~~&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;

...the Sinai Peninsula comprised 90% of all the territories captured by Israel. It was returned to Egypt as part of the historic Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt along with the Alma oil field discovered and developed there by Israel and reportedly worth $100 billion as well as strategic military airfields and early warning installations built by Israel. 7000 Jews were also expelled from Sinai as part of the agreement

&lt;b&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;font size=3&gt;~~~&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;

Describing the Palestinians as &quot;indigenous&quot; is very disingenuous.

Weren&#039;t the Jews given the right by the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine to &quot;reconstitute&quot; their former national home in these very areas after 2000 years of dispersal throughout the world. Has this right not been preserved to this very day by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter? 

Who are the indigenous people then - the descendants of Jews who were driven from their country 2000 years ago or the descendants of Arabs who occupied it by conquest seven centuries 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;font size=3&gt;~~~&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;

Both Gaza and the West Bank had been continuously occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively from 1948 until 1967. Not one Jew lived there during all that time - although many had been driven out by six invading Arab armies in the 1948 War. 

The Arab League could have created another Arab State in those areas at the drop of a hat at any time during those 19 years. What they demand now in the Arab League Peace Initiative was theirs for the creating until 1967. 

Israel is now being pressured to make this happen 40 years later and remove 450000 Jews who have, since 1967, gone to live in the West Bank - an area that is part of their ancestral homeland and has been internationally designated and sanctioned for the Jewish National Home. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In light of history, labeling the Jews as &quot;squatters&quot; is but a fantasy.  I am quite sure that both Jews and Palestinians/Arabs can trace their presence in the region for generations.

Therefore, just as Israel has workable peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and did with the Palestinian Authority prior to Hamas&#039;s military coup and take over in Gaza, the answer is to eliminate the Hamas obstacle to peace, and allow the agreements to continue to take fruition with the Palestinian unity government... the one that Hamas felt it necessary to desolve.  Israel honored it&#039;s side by withdrawing totally from Gaza, and uprooting Israelis who had lived there for years.  Not enough for you, eh?

And how much land *will* be enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The problem with your analogy is assuming only Palestinians are indigenous to the lands, Muhammed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalpolitician.com/22922-israelpali" rel="nofollow"><b> Global Politician does a good job in pointing out historical facts you wish to ignore.</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;that &#8220;the historic heart of the Palestinian city of Hebron&#8221; happens to include the ancient Jewish Quarter of Hebron built on land purchased by Jews in 1540. </p>
<p>Jews lived there until 24 August 1929 when 67 Jewish men women and children were slaughtered by a crowd of rampaging Arabs . The remaining Jewish population of 750 were forced to flee. Some returned in 1931 but were forced to leave when the Arabs rioted again in 1936. Jews returned to the Jewish Quarter after the Six Day War to a very hostile welcome from the Arab residents. </p>
<p>Hebron contains the traditional burial place of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Sarah, Leah and Rebecca &#8211; one of Jewry&#8217;s holiest sites &#8211; which the Bible records was purchased by Abraham in 1753BC. </p>
<p>Hebron is therefore more than just a Palestinian city. It has a far longer Jewish history &#8211; one of great religious significance for Jews. </p>
<p><b><center><font size=3>~~~</font></center></b></p>
<p>&#8230;the Sinai Peninsula comprised 90% of all the territories captured by Israel. It was returned to Egypt as part of the historic Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt along with the Alma oil field discovered and developed there by Israel and reportedly worth $100 billion as well as strategic military airfields and early warning installations built by Israel. 7000 Jews were also expelled from Sinai as part of the agreement</p>
<p><b><center><font size=3>~~~</font></center></b></p>
<p>Describing the Palestinians as &#8220;indigenous&#8221; is very disingenuous.</p>
<p>Weren&#8217;t the Jews given the right by the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine to &#8220;reconstitute&#8221; their former national home in these very areas after 2000 years of dispersal throughout the world. Has this right not been preserved to this very day by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter? </p>
<p>Who are the indigenous people then &#8211; the descendants of Jews who were driven from their country 2000 years ago or the descendants of Arabs who occupied it by conquest seven centuries </p>
<p><b><center><font size=3>~~~</font></center></b></p>
<p>Both Gaza and the West Bank had been continuously occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively from 1948 until 1967. Not one Jew lived there during all that time &#8211; although many had been driven out by six invading Arab armies in the 1948 War. </p>
<p>The Arab League could have created another Arab State in those areas at the drop of a hat at any time during those 19 years. What they demand now in the Arab League Peace Initiative was theirs for the creating until 1967. </p>
<p>Israel is now being pressured to make this happen 40 years later and remove 450000 Jews who have, since 1967, gone to live in the West Bank &#8211; an area that is part of their ancestral homeland and has been internationally designated and sanctioned for the Jewish National Home. </p></blockquote>
<p>In light of history, labeling the Jews as &#8220;squatters&#8221; is but a fantasy.  I am quite sure that both Jews and Palestinians/Arabs can trace their presence in the region for generations.</p>
<p>Therefore, just as Israel has workable peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and did with the Palestinian Authority prior to Hamas&#8217;s military coup and take over in Gaza, the answer is to eliminate the Hamas obstacle to peace, and allow the agreements to continue to take fruition with the Palestinian unity government&#8230; the one that Hamas felt it necessary to desolve.  Israel honored it&#8217;s side by withdrawing totally from Gaza, and uprooting Israelis who had lived there for years.  Not enough for you, eh?</p>
<p>And how much land *will* be enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muhammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read much of the comments on your website in respect of Islam, the West, Palestine/Israel.  

I struggled trying to decide whether or not to laugh at the sheer naivety or to cry because of the blatant brainwash that appears so clearly from the comments of your readers.

Let us deconstruct the whole &quot;Islamist&quot; stereotype, set it aside and and lets consider this:  

If an illegal squatter moves in on your property (where you stay now), would you protest at the fact?  Hell yeah.  You&#039;d call the cops and demand that such person be removed from your property.  Now, what if the cops refuse to help you?  What do you do?  Simply suffer the existence of the squatter?  Now, you squatter starts accruing a larger portion of your property everyday.  First its the front lawn, then the garage and the backyard.  So you come out and say, thats all very well and good now, but its time you stopped.  Words ensue, and before you know it, the argument becomes a fist fight.  But...while you donned only your fists, your opponent has a gun.  In fact, he has three and he starts shooting at you.  Your kids hear the commotion, and try to come to you aid.  They do not have guns or knives so they pick up the first available weapon - stones - and begin pelting your opponent.  He turns on them, killing them.  He proceeds into your house and rapes your wife.  Before you know it, you have retreated to a small room within the house and you try to defend yourself from there.  He has now moved into your house and taken it for himself.  Your personal belongings and everything else that you had own has been destroyed.  So you call in help from a friend who smuggles you food through the bedroom window.  You opponent also has help though.  You old neighbour has been supplying him with weapons, supplies and everything else that he needs to keep himself on your property.  Every now and then, you try and attack your opponent with a bread knife or a small pebble (its all you have - remember, he still has guns), but he comes in, shoots you in the leg and walks out again.  What do you do?  What do you do indeed?

In the above analogy, &quot;you&quot; refers to Palestine, the opponent (squatter) is Isreal and your old neighbour is USA.  Now ask yourself, why do Palestinians hate the USA?  Why do Palestinians hate Isreal?  Its not brain science figuring that one out.

If you were to properly apply the principles of fairness and justice to the above set of facts - and extricate all bias towards Muslims in general, you would be able to come to a very reasonable conclusion.  Israel must end its occupation of Palestine, and also face charges for murder, war crimes, et al.  But of course, the American people don&#039;t see it that way.  Simply due to the fact that they are brainwashed by their government.  I have seen the news fed to the local USA people.  Did you know that its different to that shown to the International audiences?  Ask yourself why?  Its because the US givernment cannot fool everyone all the time.

Let justice prevail and let the truth be spoken.  And may the American people awaken fro their slumber and see exactlyy the injustices perpetrated by their government in their name and in the name of peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I have read much of the comments on your website in respect of Islam, the West, Palestine/Israel.  </p>
<p>I struggled trying to decide whether or not to laugh at the sheer naivety or to cry because of the blatant brainwash that appears so clearly from the comments of your readers.</p>
<p>Let us deconstruct the whole &#8220;Islamist&#8221; stereotype, set it aside and and lets consider this:  </p>
<p>If an illegal squatter moves in on your property (where you stay now), would you protest at the fact?  Hell yeah.  You&#8217;d call the cops and demand that such person be removed from your property.  Now, what if the cops refuse to help you?  What do you do?  Simply suffer the existence of the squatter?  Now, you squatter starts accruing a larger portion of your property everyday.  First its the front lawn, then the garage and the backyard.  So you come out and say, thats all very well and good now, but its time you stopped.  Words ensue, and before you know it, the argument becomes a fist fight.  But&#8230;while you donned only your fists, your opponent has a gun.  In fact, he has three and he starts shooting at you.  Your kids hear the commotion, and try to come to you aid.  They do not have guns or knives so they pick up the first available weapon &#8211; stones &#8211; and begin pelting your opponent.  He turns on them, killing them.  He proceeds into your house and rapes your wife.  Before you know it, you have retreated to a small room within the house and you try to defend yourself from there.  He has now moved into your house and taken it for himself.  Your personal belongings and everything else that you had own has been destroyed.  So you call in help from a friend who smuggles you food through the bedroom window.  You opponent also has help though.  You old neighbour has been supplying him with weapons, supplies and everything else that he needs to keep himself on your property.  Every now and then, you try and attack your opponent with a bread knife or a small pebble (its all you have &#8211; remember, he still has guns), but he comes in, shoots you in the leg and walks out again.  What do you do?  What do you do indeed?</p>
<p>In the above analogy, &#8220;you&#8221; refers to Palestine, the opponent (squatter) is Isreal and your old neighbour is USA.  Now ask yourself, why do Palestinians hate the USA?  Why do Palestinians hate Isreal?  Its not brain science figuring that one out.</p>
<p>If you were to properly apply the principles of fairness and justice to the above set of facts &#8211; and extricate all bias towards Muslims in general, you would be able to come to a very reasonable conclusion.  Israel must end its occupation of Palestine, and also face charges for murder, war crimes, et al.  But of course, the American people don&#8217;t see it that way.  Simply due to the fact that they are brainwashed by their government.  I have seen the news fed to the local USA people.  Did you know that its different to that shown to the International audiences?  Ask yourself why?  Its because the US givernment cannot fool everyone all the time.</p>
<p>Let justice prevail and let the truth be spoken.  And may the American people awaken fro their slumber and see exactlyy the injustices perpetrated by their government in their name and in the name of peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinians are such liars.  The whole world is believing their bullshit.   Guess they will like Obama, since he is a liar himself.

Pallywood I - According to Palestinian Sources
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6henk_pallywood-i-according-to-palestinia_news</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Palestinians are such liars.  The whole world is believing their bullshit.   Guess they will like Obama, since he is a liar himself.</p>
<p>Pallywood I &#8211; According to Palestinian Sources<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6henk_pallywood-i-according-to-palestinia_news" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6henk_pallywood-i-according-to-palestinia_news</a></p>
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