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		<title>By: Careful What You Wish For &#8211; You Might Get It. &#124; Midnight Blue Says</title>
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		<dc:creator>Careful What You Wish For &#8211; You Might Get It. &#124; Midnight Blue Says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this &#8216;cease-fire&#8217;, the terrorist group Hamas, sent over 200 rockets into Israel. Various sources claim over 200 terrorists [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets all watch as Obama sits back in hiding and then in the last minute (when the outcome is clear) then pop back into the light with a &quot;plan&quot; which at that point isnt even needed, damage is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Lets all watch as Obama sits back in hiding and then in the last minute (when the outcome is clear) then pop back into the light with a &#8220;plan&#8221; which at that point isnt even needed, damage is done.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/27/hamas-wanted-war-they-got-it/#comment-144369</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, Israel is doing perfect chirurgical strikes:

Excerpts:
December 29, 2008

&quot;... With the two-day death toll climbing above 290, crowds of Gazans breached the border wall with Egypt, in an apparent attempt to escape the chaos.

... Egyptian forces, some firing in the air, tried to push them back into Gaza and an official said one border guard was killed. 

... Hamas, in turn, fired missiles deeper than ever into Israel, near the Israeli port city of Ashdod, and continues to command some 20,000 fighters. 

... Yet Hamas leaders were forced into hiding, most of the dead were from the Hamas security forces, and Israel&#039;s military intelligence chief said Hamas&#039; ability to fire rockets had been reduced by 50 percent.

... Indeed, Hamas rocket fire dropped off sharply, from more than 130 on Saturday (local time) to just over 20 on Sunday. 

... Early today, Israeli aircraft bombed the Islamic University and government compound in Gaza City, centres of Hamas power.

... Other targets were a guest palace used by the Hamas government and the house next to Gaza Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh&#039;s home in a refugee camp next to Gaza City.

... In the most dramatic attacks yesterday, warplanes struck dozens of smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border, cutting off a lifeline that had supplied Hamas with weapons and Gaza with commercial goods.

... Earlier, warplanes dropped three bombs on one of Hamas&#039; main security compounds in Gaza City, including a prison.&quot;
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24851860-912,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>As usual, Israel is doing perfect chirurgical strikes:</p>
<p>Excerpts:<br />
December 29, 2008</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; With the two-day death toll climbing above 290, crowds of Gazans breached the border wall with Egypt, in an apparent attempt to escape the chaos.</p>
<p>&#8230; Egyptian forces, some firing in the air, tried to push them back into Gaza and an official said one border guard was killed. </p>
<p>&#8230; Hamas, in turn, fired missiles deeper than ever into Israel, near the Israeli port city of Ashdod, and continues to command some 20,000 fighters. </p>
<p>&#8230; Yet Hamas leaders were forced into hiding, most of the dead were from the Hamas security forces, and Israel&#8217;s military intelligence chief said Hamas&#8217; ability to fire rockets had been reduced by 50 percent.</p>
<p>&#8230; Indeed, Hamas rocket fire dropped off sharply, from more than 130 on Saturday (local time) to just over 20 on Sunday. </p>
<p>&#8230; Early today, Israeli aircraft bombed the Islamic University and government compound in Gaza City, centres of Hamas power.</p>
<p>&#8230; Other targets were a guest palace used by the Hamas government and the house next to Gaza Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh&#8217;s home in a refugee camp next to Gaza City.</p>
<p>&#8230; In the most dramatic attacks yesterday, warplanes struck dozens of smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border, cutting off a lifeline that had supplied Hamas with weapons and Gaza with commercial goods.</p>
<p>&#8230; Earlier, warplanes dropped three bombs on one of Hamas&#8217; main security compounds in Gaza City, including a prison.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24851860-912,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24851860-912,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I must say israel has demonstrated immense restraint.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess so. As you suggest, the current attack is lightweight when compared to previous examples from the history of warfare. But this also makes it seem kind of pointless to me. It feels like the Israelis are stuck in a stupid situation: it&#039;s politically infeasible to ignore the rocket attacks and it&#039;s politically infeasible to commit the kind of warfare that would actually be required to pacify the Gaza Strip, so instead we get this kind of show. Enough to satisfy the hawks and fire up the jingos (&#039;I don&#039;t have a problem with the children being killed&#039; ... ooh, you&#039;re tough), but not enough to discourage Hamas for more than a couple of weeks.
So yes, immense restraint, but as far as actual (rather than political) results they would still be better served by either more or less restraint. Just based on what I know of Gaza&#039;s demographics, the number of young men of military age increased during the three days of bombing (despite the deaths, and even if we assume all deaths were young men). Compare something like the firebombing of Hamburg, which had a comparable population to Gaza; the death toll was two orders of magnitude greater. That at least was of a scale where you could say it had a chance to force capitulation, as it would have threatened complete destruction if continued.
None of which means I&#039;d advocate that level of military action. The Israeli death toll is something like 18 civilians over eight years of rocket attacks. Even if we don&#039;t care about the fate of the people in Gaza it seems like the resources required to subdue them are all out of proportion to the harm they&#039;re able to cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><i>I must say israel has demonstrated immense restraint.</i></p>
<p>I guess so. As you suggest, the current attack is lightweight when compared to previous examples from the history of warfare. But this also makes it seem kind of pointless to me. It feels like the Israelis are stuck in a stupid situation: it&#8217;s politically infeasible to ignore the rocket attacks and it&#8217;s politically infeasible to commit the kind of warfare that would actually be required to pacify the Gaza Strip, so instead we get this kind of show. Enough to satisfy the hawks and fire up the jingos (&#8216;I don&#8217;t have a problem with the children being killed&#8217; &#8230; ooh, you&#8217;re tough), but not enough to discourage Hamas for more than a couple of weeks.<br />
So yes, immense restraint, but as far as actual (rather than political) results they would still be better served by either more or less restraint. Just based on what I know of Gaza&#8217;s demographics, the number of young men of military age increased during the three days of bombing (despite the deaths, and even if we assume all deaths were young men). Compare something like the firebombing of Hamburg, which had a comparable population to Gaza; the death toll was two orders of magnitude greater. That at least was of a scale where you could say it had a chance to force capitulation, as it would have threatened complete destruction if continued.<br />
None of which means I&#8217;d advocate that level of military action. The Israeli death toll is something like 18 civilians over eight years of rocket attacks. Even if we don&#8217;t care about the fate of the people in Gaza it seems like the resources required to subdue them are all out of proportion to the harm they&#8217;re able to cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Akela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry: &quot;I don’t have a problem with the children being killed as they are taught from birth to kill the jews and are also groomed to be sucide bombers. Kill them now or kill them later.&quot;

http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=522

Here is an example of their &quot;Children&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Jerry: &#8220;I don’t have a problem with the children being killed as they are taught from birth to kill the jews and are also groomed to be sucide bombers. Kill them now or kill them later.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=522" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=522</a></p>
<p>Here is an example of their &#8220;Children&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annihilate Hamas...

Wish  we would help.</description>
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<p>Wish  we would help.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAXING SENTIMENTAL

Ahhh, this reminds me of the good old days, when Israel went out of it&#039;s way to show the founder of Hamas &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.palestinehistory.com/issues/images/yasin007.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &quot;respect&quot; he deserved&lt;/a&gt;.

If you don&#039;t recognize him, &lt;a href=&quot;http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/zygmont68/wickedwitchofwest.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a photo of his twin sister&lt;/a&gt;.

Isn&#039;t she a dead ringer?</description>
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<p>Ahhh, this reminds me of the good old days, when Israel went out of it&#8217;s way to show the founder of Hamas <a href="http://www.palestinehistory.com/issues/images/yasin007.jpg" rel="nofollow">the &#8220;respect&#8221; he deserved</a>.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t recognize him, <a href="http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/zygmont68/wickedwitchofwest.jpg" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a photo of his twin sister</a>.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t she a dead ringer?</p>
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		<title>By: sigmundringeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigmundringeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say israel has demonstrated immense restraint.
They need to kill not just a few hundred, but by the few thousand, by the ten thousand. Many innocents will be killed but that is how wars are won, by killing so much of the enemy that he has no will to continue.
Just like the americans beat the japanese last time, by holding the threat of killing every single japanese in japan over them, by nuclear extermination.
The israelis basically need to kill more of hamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I must say israel has demonstrated immense restraint.<br />
They need to kill not just a few hundred, but by the few thousand, by the ten thousand. Many innocents will be killed but that is how wars are won, by killing so much of the enemy that he has no will to continue.<br />
Just like the americans beat the japanese last time, by holding the threat of killing every single japanese in japan over them, by nuclear extermination.<br />
The israelis basically need to kill more of hamas.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ruskies called for a cease fire?  That&#039;s a laugh.  I don&#039;t recall them &quot;cease firing&quot; when they invaded Georgia.  So, screw the Ruskies, and the Placentinianz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The Ruskies called for a cease fire?  That&#8217;s a laugh.  I don&#8217;t recall them &#8220;cease firing&#8221; when they invaded Georgia.  So, screw the Ruskies, and the Placentinianz</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/27/hamas-wanted-war-they-got-it/#comment-144156</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG!   Israel is not out the woods yet.  Even Israel has leftist wackos.    Now, the Hadash Party is condemning what they called &quot;genocide&quot; and &quot;war crimes&quot; in the Gaza strip.

&quot;The Hadash Party is a left-wing political party in Israel. Hadash defines itself as a &#039;Jewish-Arab Party&#039;. Most of its voters and leaders are Israeli Arab citizens of Israel. It has three legislators in the Israeli parliament, the Knesset.&quot; (Wikipedia)

Do you want to have a good laugh?   Read what the lefties think of Obama&#039;s silence on the Israel attacks:

“There was no immediate comment on the Israeli air strikes on Gaza from Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, or his staff.  This is how our incoming President has reacted to the worst attack on the Palestinian people in 20 years – by not reacting at all.   The Bush White House, of course, has responded as we all know they would: Israel-has-the-right-to-defend itself, let the killing begin, etc., ad nauseum.&quot;

Hey hey!   Obamatons are getting worried.

P.S.: Sorry if I didn&#039;t put the link.   It seems that most of the time when I put a link, my comment gets stuck in spam.   I find it so frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>OMG!   Israel is not out the woods yet.  Even Israel has leftist wackos.    Now, the Hadash Party is condemning what they called &#8220;genocide&#8221; and &#8220;war crimes&#8221; in the Gaza strip.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Hadash Party is a left-wing political party in Israel. Hadash defines itself as a &#8216;Jewish-Arab Party&#8217;. Most of its voters and leaders are Israeli Arab citizens of Israel. It has three legislators in the Israeli parliament, the Knesset.&#8221; (Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Do you want to have a good laugh?   Read what the lefties think of Obama&#8217;s silence on the Israel attacks:</p>
<p>“There was no immediate comment on the Israeli air strikes on Gaza from Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, or his staff.  This is how our incoming President has reacted to the worst attack on the Palestinian people in 20 years – by not reacting at all.   The Bush White House, of course, has responded as we all know they would: Israel-has-the-right-to-defend itself, let the killing begin, etc., ad nauseum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey hey!   Obamatons are getting worried.</p>
<p>P.S.: Sorry if I didn&#8217;t put the link.   It seems that most of the time when I put a link, my comment gets stuck in spam.   I find it so frustrating.</p>
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