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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/16/the-pelosi-presidency-obama-admin-to-be-kept-on-tight-leash/#comment-142971</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23, Larry, I have disproven your claims of them being moderate repeatedly. How about you show some proof they are moderates? 
The rabid left wants Kucinich, Ayers, and Code Pink types. They got just plain old leftists. That is why they are angry.

No all it means is that you are lost in your fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>#23, Larry, I have disproven your claims of them being moderate repeatedly. How about you show some proof they are moderates?<br />
The rabid left wants Kucinich, Ayers, and Code Pink types. They got just plain old leftists. That is why they are angry.</p>
<p>No all it means is that you are lost in your fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Mata, I had to re-read that comment from Larry myself.  I guess I shouldn&#039;t be shocked by the attitude, but it makes me despair for the direction this country is going in.  To think that it would be better that any one of us would not be allowed to pass on the assets we worked so hard to acquire to our own children, and instead give it to the government is....is just astounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You know Mata, I had to re-read that comment from Larry myself.  I guess I shouldn&#8217;t be shocked by the attitude, but it makes me despair for the direction this country is going in.  To think that it would be better that any one of us would not be allowed to pass on the assets we worked so hard to acquire to our own children, and instead give it to the government is&#8230;.is just astounding.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Queen Pelosi has spoken;

(Scene opens on follow-up phone call; Obama to Pelosi)

 &quot;Nancy? Barry here. Yeah just spoke to Rahm.&quot; 

(Fast indistinguishable chatter on other end of line in background)

&quot;No I hear you, I hear you. You have my word, and you know my word is my bond, that our&#039;s will be a cohesive and seamless partnership for America.&quot;

(Pulls aside drapes to reveal Rahm climbing into the Obama bus to warm it up. We hear; &#039;Va-room, chuga-chuga-chuga&#039;)

&quot;A-a-absolutely. In fact, I was just looking at a vehicle for this that I&#039;m sure Harry and you could surely get under to get this whole thing rolling. It will be like a well-oiled machine, you&#039;ll see... Rest assured the back door has a warning alarm on it and I&#039;ll have it in my rear view, so you needn&#039;t be concerned about that. I promise nobody in my staff is going to be sneaking anyone in without me knowing it.&quot;

(More chatter)

&quot;No, no surprises. Naancyy, I wouldn&#039;t s4!7 you, you&#039;re my favorite turd.&quot; 

&quot;Hey no, just kidding there. I know you guys worked magic with the DNC to get me in here over Hillary during the primaries. Pay to play as they say.&quot; chuckles, &quot;And I owe you bigtime. I always pay back my friends.&quot;

(Chatter seems more calm. Obama dons a blue jacket then reaches for what looks like a round chaffeur&#039;s cap with a front bill.)

&quot;I&#039;ll be right over there to go over a couple of things. Just have to uh, get behind my um... steering committee on the way, but I&#039;ll be right there. Why don&#039;t you and Harry wait for me out in front of the Capital building in... say; oh about 10 minutes? Ciao Baby.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I guess Queen Pelosi has spoken;</p>
<p>(Scene opens on follow-up phone call; Obama to Pelosi)</p>
<p> &#8220;Nancy? Barry here. Yeah just spoke to Rahm.&#8221; </p>
<p>(Fast indistinguishable chatter on other end of line in background)</p>
<p>&#8220;No I hear you, I hear you. You have my word, and you know my word is my bond, that our&#8217;s will be a cohesive and seamless partnership for America.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Pulls aside drapes to reveal Rahm climbing into the Obama bus to warm it up. We hear; &#8216;Va-room, chuga-chuga-chuga&#8217;)</p>
<p>&#8220;A-a-absolutely. In fact, I was just looking at a vehicle for this that I&#8217;m sure Harry and you could surely get under to get this whole thing rolling. It will be like a well-oiled machine, you&#8217;ll see&#8230; Rest assured the back door has a warning alarm on it and I&#8217;ll have it in my rear view, so you needn&#8217;t be concerned about that. I promise nobody in my staff is going to be sneaking anyone in without me knowing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>(More chatter)</p>
<p>&#8220;No, no surprises. Naancyy, I wouldn&#8217;t s4!7 you, you&#8217;re my favorite turd.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Hey no, just kidding there. I know you guys worked magic with the DNC to get me in here over Hillary during the primaries. Pay to play as they say.&#8221; chuckles, &#8220;And I owe you bigtime. I always pay back my friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Chatter seems more calm. Obama dons a blue jacket then reaches for what looks like a round chaffeur&#8217;s cap with a front bill.)</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll be right over there to go over a couple of things. Just have to uh, get behind my um&#8230; steering committee on the way, but I&#8217;ll be right there. Why don&#8217;t you and Harry wait for me out in front of the Capital building in&#8230; say; oh about 10 minutes? Ciao Baby.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/16/the-pelosi-presidency-obama-admin-to-be-kept-on-tight-leash/#comment-142893</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, you are rolling person income tax and corporate/business tax into one there....  INRE personal income tax, I&#039;m with the framers... uniform &amp; equal.

I&#039;m speechless INRE your inheritance comment.  ... 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;...necessary to prevent the emergence of a “to the manor born” class of Americans, owing their fortune with respect to accident of birth, as opposed to initiative, hard work, and inspiration.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even reading it again... I&#039;m just shocked into silence and despair at such an attitude prevailing in the US.

Let me get this straight... you believe that the earned rewards of the parents should be automatically remanded to the government for &quot;the good&quot; of the offspring?  Those who earned their assets should have no say in how to delegate their own personal rewards?

What can one say to that?  I  swear, the more I look around and listen, the more I&#039;m quite sure that I&#039;m an alien, abandoned here by accident.  And frankly, I wish they&#039;d come back for me....  

That you and so many place not only such faith, but your hard earned cash into the hands of &quot;government&quot; is beyond baffling.  Can you not  see daily that those you entrust are rabid and corrupt power brokers?  all except your Obama, I guess you believe...  That&#039;s okay, Larry.  I have vast patience.  I&#039;m quite content to wait for the pixie dust to wear off... as it will.  But while I&#039;m waiting, I&#039;m not going to stand idly by and allow those that think like you to seize personal assets &quot;for the children&quot;, so to speak.  Not while I live and breathe.

Tell you what... you give *your* assets to the government upon death.  I&#039;ll pass mine on to my son.  Choice... the freedom of choice.   How very American, yes?  You won&#039;t strip your children of &quot;initiative&quot; and &quot;inspiration&quot;, and hopefully I&#039;ll help my son achieve his.  We&#039;re both happy.  

But don&#039;t tell me you&#039;re taking my assets after death, and giving them to the corrupt in the DC beltway to piss away... all for &quot;the good&quot; of my son.  Horse manure.  You actually know people who buy this crock of shit??  I&#039;m stunned, I tell you.

If this is the nanny/communal notions the Republicans must &quot;play to&quot; in order to win elections, then conservatism, capitalism, ambition, pride of achievement and responsibility for self and family are already dead in this country.  Thank you for a thoroughly depressing comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Larry, you are rolling person income tax and corporate/business tax into one there&#8230;.  INRE personal income tax, I&#8217;m with the framers&#8230; uniform &#038; equal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m speechless INRE your inheritance comment.  &#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8230;necessary to prevent the emergence of a “to the manor born” class of Americans, owing their fortune with respect to accident of birth, as opposed to initiative, hard work, and inspiration.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Even reading it again&#8230; I&#8217;m just shocked into silence and despair at such an attitude prevailing in the US.</p>
<p>Let me get this straight&#8230; you believe that the earned rewards of the parents should be automatically remanded to the government for &#8220;the good&#8221; of the offspring?  Those who earned their assets should have no say in how to delegate their own personal rewards?</p>
<p>What can one say to that?  I  swear, the more I look around and listen, the more I&#8217;m quite sure that I&#8217;m an alien, abandoned here by accident.  And frankly, I wish they&#8217;d come back for me&#8230;.  </p>
<p>That you and so many place not only such faith, but your hard earned cash into the hands of &#8220;government&#8221; is beyond baffling.  Can you not  see daily that those you entrust are rabid and corrupt power brokers?  all except your Obama, I guess you believe&#8230;  That&#8217;s okay, Larry.  I have vast patience.  I&#8217;m quite content to wait for the pixie dust to wear off&#8230; as it will.  But while I&#8217;m waiting, I&#8217;m not going to stand idly by and allow those that think like you to seize personal assets &#8220;for the children&#8221;, so to speak.  Not while I live and breathe.</p>
<p>Tell you what&#8230; you give *your* assets to the government upon death.  I&#8217;ll pass mine on to my son.  Choice&#8230; the freedom of choice.   How very American, yes?  You won&#8217;t strip your children of &#8220;initiative&#8221; and &#8220;inspiration&#8221;, and hopefully I&#8217;ll help my son achieve his.  We&#8217;re both happy.  </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t tell me you&#8217;re taking my assets after death, and giving them to the corrupt in the DC beltway to piss away&#8230; all for &#8220;the good&#8221; of my son.  Horse manure.  You actually know people who buy this crock of shit??  I&#8217;m stunned, I tell you.</p>
<p>If this is the nanny/communal notions the Republicans must &#8220;play to&#8221; in order to win elections, then conservatism, capitalism, ambition, pride of achievement and responsibility for self and family are already dead in this country.  Thank you for a thoroughly depressing comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Weisenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Weisenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard/Craig:

Liberals/Progressives are screaming that Obama is appointing centrists and right centrists to all the top cabinet positions. I&#039;ve referenced these previously.

The fact that you guys think that Obama is appointing Leftists and the fact that true Leftists are complaining that Obama is appointing Centrists and Rightists means that Obama has found the sweet spot of successful America electoral politics.

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</description>
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<p>Liberals/Progressives are screaming that Obama is appointing centrists and right centrists to all the top cabinet positions. I&#8217;ve referenced these previously.</p>
<p>The fact that you guys think that Obama is appointing Leftists and the fact that true Leftists are complaining that Obama is appointing Centrists and Rightists means that Obama has found the sweet spot of successful America electoral politics.</p>
<p>- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Weisenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Weisenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata, my opinion of the flat tax vs the progressive tax:

I&#039;m in favor of the progressive tax, because people in the higher income levels benefit from public sector activities to a multiplicative degree.

A business owner (or even a movie star or athlete) owes his/her success to an educated workforce, a good infrastructure, including air traffic control and the Internet, good health care, local security, defense of shipping lanes and national defense in general, the patent system and federal defense of intellectual property, the security and exhange commission, the Departments of Commerce and the Treasury, and on and on.

To the extent that each of these activities benefits the individual, the top tier income earners, who owe their incomes to the success of the individuals &quot;beneath&quot; them (who collectively generate the capital which contributes to the assets of the top tier) receive disproportionate benefit from public sector activities.  Therefore, the top tier (income wise) should rightfully contribute a disproportionate share of public resources.

With regard to the inheritance tax, this is necessary to prevent the emergence of a &quot;to the manor born&quot; class of Americans, owing their fortune with respect to accident of birth, as opposed to initiative, hard work, and inspiration.

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mata, my opinion of the flat tax vs the progressive tax:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in favor of the progressive tax, because people in the higher income levels benefit from public sector activities to a multiplicative degree.</p>
<p>A business owner (or even a movie star or athlete) owes his/her success to an educated workforce, a good infrastructure, including air traffic control and the Internet, good health care, local security, defense of shipping lanes and national defense in general, the patent system and federal defense of intellectual property, the security and exhange commission, the Departments of Commerce and the Treasury, and on and on.</p>
<p>To the extent that each of these activities benefits the individual, the top tier income earners, who owe their incomes to the success of the individuals &#8220;beneath&#8221; them (who collectively generate the capital which contributes to the assets of the top tier) receive disproportionate benefit from public sector activities.  Therefore, the top tier (income wise) should rightfully contribute a disproportionate share of public resources.</p>
<p>With regard to the inheritance tax, this is necessary to prevent the emergence of a &#8220;to the manor born&#8221; class of Americans, owing their fortune with respect to accident of birth, as opposed to initiative, hard work, and inspiration.</p>
<p>- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, Larry is faaarrrr too gone to listen. He is truly delusional. Despite my postings on the beliefs of the people he has appointed and obama&#039;s backround, he &lt;strong&gt;still&lt;/strong&gt; wants to believe they are moderates and that so is obama. He is so wrapped up in the fantasy that obama will save us there is no point trying to tell him otherwise.
I just saw where some of obama&#039;s picks are &lt;strong&gt;rabidly&lt;/strong&gt; anti-gun and will likely do everything they can to ban as many firearms as possible. If they do, it may cost them Congress. We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Craig, Larry is faaarrrr too gone to listen. He is truly delusional. Despite my postings on the beliefs of the people he has appointed and obama&#8217;s backround, he <strong>still</strong> wants to believe they are moderates and that so is obama. He is so wrapped up in the fantasy that obama will save us there is no point trying to tell him otherwise.<br />
I just saw where some of obama&#8217;s picks are <strong>rabidly</strong> anti-gun and will likely do everything they can to ban as many firearms as possible. If they do, it may cost them Congress. We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/16/the-pelosi-presidency-obama-admin-to-be-kept-on-tight-leash/#comment-142873</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What this signifies, more than anything else, is Pelosi’s fear that Obama will, in fact, govern as a centrist, and, in many cases, even as a right-centrist.&quot; (Larry W.)

Cut the spin and stop dreaming, Larry.   Get back to reality.   This is all smokescreen.   This is how manipulator operates:    &quot;Faint right, move left&quot;.    His goal is to destroy capitalism in the States... he is a communist at heart.  Your eyes are wide shut.   When will you open them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;What this signifies, more than anything else, is Pelosi’s fear that Obama will, in fact, govern as a centrist, and, in many cases, even as a right-centrist.&#8221; (Larry W.)</p>
<p>Cut the spin and stop dreaming, Larry.   Get back to reality.   This is all smokescreen.   This is how manipulator operates:    &#8220;Faint right, move left&#8221;.    His goal is to destroy capitalism in the States&#8230; he is a communist at heart.  Your eyes are wide shut.   When will you open them?</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/16/the-pelosi-presidency-obama-admin-to-be-kept-on-tight-leash/#comment-142856</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit, I already disproved your straw man that simply saying &quot;redistribution of wealth&quot; means we think they are a socialist. You are wrong, move on and quit embarrassing yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit, I already disproved your straw man that simply saying &#8220;redistribution of wealth&#8221; means we think they are a socialist. You are wrong, move on and quit embarrassing yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/16/the-pelosi-presidency-obama-admin-to-be-kept-on-tight-leash/#comment-142835</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Marxism is referred to as both Marxist philosophy and Marxist theory,  that was why I typed theology originally... not meant in the religious sense.  But since that was misleading for the common definition of theology, that&#039;s why I admitted my error.

As for the new quasi-socialism, that&#039;s why I&#039;ve been referring to it as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/26/obamas-socialization-europeanizing-of-america/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Europeanization of America. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Tecnically, as the US govt has not taken formal ownership of all banks, all energy, and auto industries, the act is not absolute.  However with auto czars attempting to make production and price control decisions, there&#039;s not much left but to take title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Since Marxism is referred to as both Marxist philosophy and Marxist theory,  that was why I typed theology originally&#8230; not meant in the religious sense.  But since that was misleading for the common definition of theology, that&#8217;s why I admitted my error.</p>
<p>As for the new quasi-socialism, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve been referring to it as the <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/26/obamas-socialization-europeanizing-of-america/" rel="nofollow"><b>Europeanization of America. </b></a> Tecnically, as the US govt has not taken formal ownership of all banks, all energy, and auto industries, the act is not absolute.  However with auto czars attempting to make production and price control decisions, there&#8217;s not much left but to take title.</p>
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