Out of interest – why does it matter if Obama’s father was a British subject or not? Aren’t there plenty of Americans born with American mothers and British fathers? Why even the Hawaiian flag has a Union Jack in the corner of it’s flag;)

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Mike’s Dumberica:
For some reason your response is not on the thread although it came in on my Blackberry, thus I will respond to it here since you know what you wrote.
I will do this once and your are free to have the last word.

“You get gently chided for a factual screw up and your immediate response is to call names. Nice!”

Just hold it! OK. First “get with the WINGNUT talking points, buddy”. My emphasis.

That aside, did you read the rest of the post and responses? “It’s a Hawaii-certified COLB.”
Certified?? Once again I point out that this is the ‘official certificate’ Obama’s legions posted on the internet after being given it by the Obama campaign. Maybe there is an ‘official’ one, notwithstanding, this is what we have. Show me the ‘certification.’ The ‘official’ seal at the top is not a certification. The blanked out certificate number also voids any certification. There is no seal. I already said this several times previously up the thread, so obviously my point was obvious.

You got ‘gently’ chided for missing the point.

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Mikes Dumbmerica:

Of course it isn’t the original ‘vault’ certificate you moron. It also doesn’t seem to have a stamp, and the certificate number is blacked out.

“It’s a Hawaii-certified COLB.” Its a freaking registration and not even a legitimate one it appears, however, guess that’s how they do it in Hawaii.

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It seems like Obama could not plead the 5th admendment to defend himself:

IN THE SHADOW OF NEMESIS

“… In the interest of expediting the process, the custodians of records in Hawaii would also be subpoenaed to testify and to produce all relevant documents subject to their control. To be sure, Obama himself might invoke a privilege against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment as the grounds for refusing to testify or to disgorge inculpatory papers. But custodians of public records in Hawaii or elsewhere throughout the United States have no such privilege. And no Hawaiian or other law of the States or the General Government purporting to make those records “confidential” can frustrate the Sixth Amendment.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm

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“Wrong. This is in the judicial system now. Obama needs to answer as appropriate to the courts.”

of course – no one is denying THAT….

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Warpublican said:

Obama need not answer to you or berg or anyone other than the congress…

Wrong. This is in the judicial system now. Obama needs to answer as appropriate to the courts. You may not care about the COLB status, and I can understand that. But you should care mightily if Obama believes he does not need to comply with the courts.

If Obama lied about his citizenship – and was elected with a bogus BC – that would be an impeachable offense. So go for it – I think it’s a fair shot – though i think it would fail…

Again, you are going down the wrong road. Of course neither party in Congress would impeach the President-elect willingly. However if Obama lied about his citizenship, and the courts confirm that, he is not qualified to be POTUS under Constitutional regulations, and appropriate measures need to be taken. Congress nor the nation cannot just ignore that reality.

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“This thing looks nice and crisp to me. Am I wrong there?”

No, you’re not wrong – but that doesn’t mean the BC is inauthentic – if you were to request your BC from the state, they would issue a new computer generated one. i once – before computers (shows how old I am) – needed a BC for a new SS card – I got a fresh new one from the city of ***** ******, NY – no problem…

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“Who said anything about an impeachment?”

but that’s who has the standing to clear this matter – the Congress. Amendment XX makes it clear that “If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

If Obama lied about his citizenship – and was elected with a bogus BC – that would be an impeachable offense. So go for it – I think it’s a fair shot – though i think it would fail…

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Warpublican Review:
Another thing about that ‘birth certificate’: That certificate looks like it just came fresh out of graphics. Back in 1961 ( was born in ’53) I don’t ever recall seeing any graphics on birth certificates like this one, but I obviously am mistaken. In fact, I can hardly read my own certificate.
This thing looks nice and crisp to me. Am I wrong there?

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Warpublican Review:
Who said anything about an impeachment?
I sleep very well at night, thank you.
That’s true, just because someone sues does not make it right. Bush/Cheney aside, in this case, there appears to be compelling reasonable doubt to proceed.
Regards the SCOTUS, we will just have to see, but I think it will not be heard. Not because of facts but because of technicality.
Of course the birth certificate would be fine for you. Is there an official seal on the document. A number. Just to start.
But what the hell, is the big deal anyway, was Obama born a hermaphrodite?

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