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	<title>Comments on: NYT&#8217;s Timothy Egan calls Joe the Plumber &#8220;no good as a citizen&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138126</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanjay, check out the McCain archives,  note the dummy that posted the #8 comment:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/15/how-sarah-palin-almost-saved-the-campaign/#comments

The likes of Al Franken, Maxine Waters and Randi Rhodes was saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Sanjay, check out the McCain archives,  note the dummy that posted the #8 comment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/15/how-sarah-palin-almost-saved-the-campaign/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/15/how-sarah-palin-almost-saved-the-campaign/#comments</a></p>
<p>The likes of Al Franken, Maxine Waters and Randi Rhodes was saying?</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138118</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan/Sanjay, if you had any knowledge vs assumptions, you&#039;d know that more than a few of us were not happy with McCain as the choice of GOP candidate.... and said so often.  No one was banned for picking the lesser of evils as it&#039;s the only choice we had.

Because we did not choose the same adjectives as Joe doesn&#039;t mean we don&#039;t agree with him.  You are parsing words, and not ideology.

If Joe (or many of us here) were &quot;appalled&quot; by McCain (which I was by McCain as a politician, and not as a admirable American), one can only imagine that the choice of adjectives for Obama were virtually unprintable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Jan/Sanjay, if you had any knowledge vs assumptions, you&#8217;d know that more than a few of us were not happy with McCain as the choice of GOP candidate&#8230;. and said so often.  No one was banned for picking the lesser of evils as it&#8217;s the only choice we had.</p>
<p>Because we did not choose the same adjectives as Joe doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t agree with him.  You are parsing words, and not ideology.</p>
<p>If Joe (or many of us here) were &#8220;appalled&#8221; by McCain (which I was by McCain as a politician, and not as a admirable American), one can only imagine that the choice of adjectives for Obama were virtually unprintable.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138107</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How cute!  The troll can&#039;t imagine anybody being able to express an opinion without following a script!

I don&#039;t think I have ever expressed an opinion about McCain without saying I would vote for hime because I thought (perhaps naively, but that is a not screed) that he would do the least harm.

It also now appears that we would have heard mopre from Palin than we will from whatzizname.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>How cute!  The troll can&#8217;t imagine anybody being able to express an opinion without following a script!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have ever expressed an opinion about McCain without saying I would vote for hime because I thought (perhaps naively, but that is a not screed) that he would do the least harm.</p>
<p>It also now appears that we would have heard mopre from Palin than we will from whatzizname.</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138090</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most of us were also on the same page with JTP in regards to McCain.&quot;

I think you are a party of one on this blog, or perhaps a few. I don&#039;t recalled any of the authors of this blog stating McCain &#039;scared&#039; them, or &#039;appalled&#039; them, or they felt &#039;dirty&#039; around McCain or that he was &#039;a lesser evil&#039; to Obama; they defended McCain at almost every turn.  You simply refuse to acknowledge the degree to which JTP was repulsed by McCain. 

I&#039;d say you are more affiliated with the likes of Coulter, Limbaugh, Dobson, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Most of us were also on the same page with JTP in regards to McCain.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are a party of one on this blog, or perhaps a few. I don&#8217;t recalled any of the authors of this blog stating McCain &#8216;scared&#8217; them, or &#8216;appalled&#8217; them, or they felt &#8216;dirty&#8217; around McCain or that he was &#8216;a lesser evil&#8217; to Obama; they defended McCain at almost every turn.  You simply refuse to acknowledge the degree to which JTP was repulsed by McCain. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say you are more affiliated with the likes of Coulter, Limbaugh, Dobson, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138086</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you haven&#039;t paid much attention to what was said about McCain and you bet, McCain is the lesser of two evils.  I post on conservative blogs, the majority of conservatives would agree with JTP without any fear of being banned.  Apparently, you spend too much time on lib sites, banning posters for posting dissenting opinions is a Kos/firedoglake/lib thing.

I understand Joe the Plumber is considering a run for Congress, I&#039;d trade any Illinois democrat for him, too bad he lives in Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Apparently you haven&#8217;t paid much attention to what was said about McCain and you bet, McCain is the lesser of two evils.  I post on conservative blogs, the majority of conservatives would agree with JTP without any fear of being banned.  Apparently, you spend too much time on lib sites, banning posters for posting dissenting opinions is a Kos/firedoglake/lib thing.</p>
<p>I understand Joe the Plumber is considering a run for Congress, I&#8217;d trade any Illinois democrat for him, too bad he lives in Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138085</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should of course say:  &#039;About “sanjay”, I say “Let us stop feeding the troll”.

Too much blood in the coffee stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>That should of course say:  &#8216;About “sanjay”, I say “Let us stop feeding the troll”.</p>
<p>Too much blood in the coffee stream.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138084</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;sanjay&#039;s&quot; drooling says a lot more about sanjay that it does anybody else.

Joe the Plumber speaks for several of us, no doubt about it.

And I would say that &quot;Joe the Plumber is an outstanding, high pricipaled citizen&quot; is a lot closer to the mark.

I voted for McCain not because he said much I could agree with except (Governor Palin, would you be my Vice Presidnt?&quot;, but because I thought (a sKoe did) that a President ClintonBushCarterNixon would do great harm.

About &quot;sanhay&quot;, I say &quot;Let us stop feeding the troll&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;sanjay&#8217;s&#8221; drooling says a lot more about sanjay that it does anybody else.</p>
<p>Joe the Plumber speaks for several of us, no doubt about it.</p>
<p>And I would say that &#8220;Joe the Plumber is an outstanding, high pricipaled citizen&#8221; is a lot closer to the mark.</p>
<p>I voted for McCain not because he said much I could agree with except (Governor Palin, would you be my Vice Presidnt?&#8221;, but because I thought (a sKoe did) that a President ClintonBushCarterNixon would do great harm.</p>
<p>About &#8220;sanhay&#8221;, I say &#8220;Let us stop feeding the troll&#8221;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138067</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but yet, regarding McCain: Joe felt &quot;dirty&quot; around McCain&#039;s campaign, was &quot;angry&quot; at McCain, and &quot;appalled&quot; and &quot;scared&quot; by him. --that&#039;s what Joe said:

&quot;&quot;I honestly felt even more dirty after I had been on the campaign trail and seen some things that take place. It was scary, man,&quot; Wurzelbacher said. He told Beck he asked McCain &quot;some pretty direct questions&quot; about the bailout, and wasn&#039;t pleased with the response. &quot;They appalled me, absolutely. You know, I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.&quot;

Let&#039;s just remember, while Obama &quot;scares [him] even more&quot;, McCain still &quot;scares&quot; him, and &quot;McCain is the lesser of two evils&quot;, according to Joe.

I&#039;d bet people here and on other conservative blogs would/have been banned for saying such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8230;but yet, regarding McCain: Joe felt &#8220;dirty&#8221; around McCain&#8217;s campaign, was &#8220;angry&#8221; at McCain, and &#8220;appalled&#8221; and &#8220;scared&#8221; by him. &#8211;that&#8217;s what Joe said:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;I honestly felt even more dirty after I had been on the campaign trail and seen some things that take place. It was scary, man,&#8221; Wurzelbacher said. He told Beck he asked McCain &#8220;some pretty direct questions&#8221; about the bailout, and wasn&#8217;t pleased with the response. &#8220;They appalled me, absolutely. You know, I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just remember, while Obama &#8220;scares [him] even more&#8221;, McCain still &#8220;scares&#8221; him, and &#8220;McCain is the lesser of two evils&#8221;, according to Joe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet people here and on other conservative blogs would/have been banned for saying such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138057</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, sanjay takes a hatchet and lops off the best part of the article.  I doubt that many in here will disagree with what Joe the Plumber said especially about Obama and Palin.  Most of us were also on the same page with JTP in regards to McCain.  

From sanjay&#039;s source:

&quot;Recalling a conversation he had with McCain about the $700 billion financial industry bailout in September, Wurzelbacher said: “When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen.” 

“I asked him some pretty direct questions,” he continued. “Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me, absolutely. I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.” 

Asked why he didn’t leave McCain’s campaign if he was “appalled” by the candidate, Wurzelbacher said, “honestly, because the thought of Barack Obama as president scares me even more.” 

While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Again, sanjay takes a hatchet and lops off the best part of the article.  I doubt that many in here will disagree with what Joe the Plumber said especially about Obama and Palin.  Most of us were also on the same page with JTP in regards to McCain.  </p>
<p>From sanjay&#8217;s source:</p>
<p>&#8220;Recalling a conversation he had with McCain about the $700 billion financial industry bailout in September, Wurzelbacher said: “When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen.” </p>
<p>“I asked him some pretty direct questions,” he continued. “Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me, absolutely. I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.” </p>
<p>Asked why he didn’t leave McCain’s campaign if he was “appalled” by the candidate, Wurzelbacher said, “honestly, because the thought of Barack Obama as president scares me even more.” </p>
<p>While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/nyts-tim-egan-calls-joe-the-plumber-no-good-as-a-citizen/#comment-138045</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the Plumber: &quot;McCain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16385.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;appalled me&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

Wow. Perhaps Joe&#039;s not a good citizen after all?</description>
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<p>Wow. Perhaps Joe&#8217;s not a good citizen after all?</p>
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