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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/24/the-enigma-of-a-secy-of-state-hillary-clinton/#comment-133942</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata;
My post was meant as tongue in cheek, thought I would cast out some bait and see if I got any hits on it. 

Besides their mutual Soros connection, I seriously couldn&#039;t think of any reason for Hillary to accept the SoS position from BHO, unless it included some under-the-table dealing to &quot;prearranged&quot; things in someway where she might get her dues and succeed him. Particularly after he diss&#039;ed her for VP, which pissed of Bubba, PUMA, and many others, the whole thing seems as metaphorically logical as a Turkey pecking at the calendar to remind Mrs. Farmer that Thanksgiving is this Thursday. Obama&#039;s tactic of filling the admin slots with Clinton cronies struck me as appearing like he was building an administration more for Hillary to run than himself. So that helped lend some credence to the abstract logic. 

Besides do you really think the DNC would seriously want Gaffeemaster Biden in the OO chair? That would have been like Quayle taking over for Bush and guaranteed loss in power and prestige the following General Election. I think Obama might have intentionally picked Biden primarily as a &quot;Job Security&quot; strategy so people  would think twice before considering any potential replacement/impeachment of him. 

I discounted the Speaker line of succession because technically his administration isn&#039;t &quot;real and in power&quot; until 20 Jan. So effectively Pelosi would remain as speaker, in spirit at least, until at least the first week of January. So if she was offered and took a cabinet position, if anything happened before Inauguration Day, as of that date she would no longer theoretically be Speaker. Although the Congressional swearing in ceremony happens two weeks before the Executive branch, I wasn&#039;t looking at it as a tenure issue, more as a practical nature. Seeing this as something that could occur during the winter holiday hiatus, before the next Congress is sworn in. The seated full house is supposed to vote in a Speaker, it seemed to me there could be insufficient time to re-assemble the old HoR or the new one to select &amp; confirm a new speaker. It appeared just the type of scenario that would fit the founding father&#039;s intentions for the line of succession. Otherwise, Congress could just keep throwing one new speaker after another until they got one that &quot;fixed in&quot; a new president. But think of how that would be perceived if it happened during a Republican administration. They certainly wouldn&#039;t stand for Congress &quot;cheating them out of having some control on their own administration&quot; and they would surely be screaming, &quot;Foul&quot;.

Besides, DNC supporters would probably be P.O.&#039;ed if Pelosi took the First Woman President fame originally intended for Hillary. I entertain no false hopes that Nancy wouldn&#039;t be delighted to wrest that honor away from Hillary. So the only feasible way I see for the DNC to block it at this stage and honor Hillary &quot;properly&quot; to reunite their base as in offering Pelosi a cabinet position.

DaNang67;
Okay, I&#039;ll concede that. I really wasn&#039;t following Rush&#039;s OPERATION: CHAOS that closely so I&#039;ll take your word for it. I&#039;m not a daily Rush listener &amp; only heard it mentioned in passing when he was pounding the table about Reverend Wright. From what I had gathered it sounded to me at the time he was more concerned Hillary might win the primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mata;<br />
My post was meant as tongue in cheek, thought I would cast out some bait and see if I got any hits on it. </p>
<p>Besides their mutual Soros connection, I seriously couldn&#8217;t think of any reason for Hillary to accept the SoS position from BHO, unless it included some under-the-table dealing to &#8220;prearranged&#8221; things in someway where she might get her dues and succeed him. Particularly after he diss&#8217;ed her for VP, which pissed of Bubba, PUMA, and many others, the whole thing seems as metaphorically logical as a Turkey pecking at the calendar to remind Mrs. Farmer that Thanksgiving is this Thursday. Obama&#8217;s tactic of filling the admin slots with Clinton cronies struck me as appearing like he was building an administration more for Hillary to run than himself. So that helped lend some credence to the abstract logic. </p>
<p>Besides do you really think the DNC would seriously want Gaffeemaster Biden in the OO chair? That would have been like Quayle taking over for Bush and guaranteed loss in power and prestige the following General Election. I think Obama might have intentionally picked Biden primarily as a &#8220;Job Security&#8221; strategy so people  would think twice before considering any potential replacement/impeachment of him. </p>
<p>I discounted the Speaker line of succession because technically his administration isn&#8217;t &#8220;real and in power&#8221; until 20 Jan. So effectively Pelosi would remain as speaker, in spirit at least, until at least the first week of January. So if she was offered and took a cabinet position, if anything happened before Inauguration Day, as of that date she would no longer theoretically be Speaker. Although the Congressional swearing in ceremony happens two weeks before the Executive branch, I wasn&#8217;t looking at it as a tenure issue, more as a practical nature. Seeing this as something that could occur during the winter holiday hiatus, before the next Congress is sworn in. The seated full house is supposed to vote in a Speaker, it seemed to me there could be insufficient time to re-assemble the old HoR or the new one to select &amp; confirm a new speaker. It appeared just the type of scenario that would fit the founding father&#8217;s intentions for the line of succession. Otherwise, Congress could just keep throwing one new speaker after another until they got one that &#8220;fixed in&#8221; a new president. But think of how that would be perceived if it happened during a Republican administration. They certainly wouldn&#8217;t stand for Congress &#8220;cheating them out of having some control on their own administration&#8221; and they would surely be screaming, &#8220;Foul&#8221;.</p>
<p>Besides, DNC supporters would probably be P.O.&#8217;ed if Pelosi took the First Woman President fame originally intended for Hillary. I entertain no false hopes that Nancy wouldn&#8217;t be delighted to wrest that honor away from Hillary. So the only feasible way I see for the DNC to block it at this stage and honor Hillary &#8220;properly&#8221; to reunite their base as in offering Pelosi a cabinet position.</p>
<p>DaNang67;<br />
Okay, I&#8217;ll concede that. I really wasn&#8217;t following Rush&#8217;s OPERATION: CHAOS that closely so I&#8217;ll take your word for it. I&#8217;m not a daily Rush listener &amp; only heard it mentioned in passing when he was pounding the table about Reverend Wright. From what I had gathered it sounded to me at the time he was more concerned Hillary might win the primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: DaNang67</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/24/the-enigma-of-a-secy-of-state-hillary-clinton/#comment-133873</link>
		<dc:creator>DaNang67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocky_B, Rush suggested people vote for Hilary to keep her candidacy alive and to continue the bash fest going on in the Democrat campaign. Hence the name operation Chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Rocky_B, Rush suggested people vote for Hilary to keep her candidacy alive and to continue the bash fest going on in the Democrat campaign. Hence the name operation Chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jainphx, just so you know, the SOS has nothing to do with the selection of the UN Sec&#039;y Gen.  That is done by nomination of the Security Council, and ultimately approved/appointed by the UN General Assembly.  There has never been an American Sec&#039;y Gen, and it&#039;s unlikely there ever will be.  They consider the US to be too powerful in the UN, and would never willingly nominate an American to head the UN.

Cary #5, the DNC effectively blew Hillary off on the signature health care position.  They denied her chairmanship of a subcommittee, placed the prime leadership responsibilities in the hands of Ted Kennedy... who promptly said that this was going to be an Obama accomplishment on record.  They did try to throw her an &quot;also ran&quot; bone position.

There&#039;s never a doubt that the Clinton&#039;s will be able to generate money if neither hold elective office.  It&#039;s not money the Clinton&#039;s crave, but power.

Thus... what&#039;s up with seriously entertaining this subordinate job??  What did Obama promise her that gave her the confidence to take the back seat position in power not only today, but for the future?

Oh yeah.... I can&#039;t see Colin Powell going anywhere near the SOS position again... even under a new POTUS.

RockyB, I think the chain of succession theory might be over the top... LOL   My only question is why you believe the Speaker position is bypassed just because it is filled with new shoes (using your Pelosi to cabinet analogy).  Is there some sort of tenure as Speaker required to be third in succession that I am unaware of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>jainphx, just so you know, the SOS has nothing to do with the selection of the UN Sec&#8217;y Gen.  That is done by nomination of the Security Council, and ultimately approved/appointed by the UN General Assembly.  There has never been an American Sec&#8217;y Gen, and it&#8217;s unlikely there ever will be.  They consider the US to be too powerful in the UN, and would never willingly nominate an American to head the UN.</p>
<p>Cary #5, the DNC effectively blew Hillary off on the signature health care position.  They denied her chairmanship of a subcommittee, placed the prime leadership responsibilities in the hands of Ted Kennedy&#8230; who promptly said that this was going to be an Obama accomplishment on record.  They did try to throw her an &#8220;also ran&#8221; bone position.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s never a doubt that the Clinton&#8217;s will be able to generate money if neither hold elective office.  It&#8217;s not money the Clinton&#8217;s crave, but power.</p>
<p>Thus&#8230; what&#8217;s up with seriously entertaining this subordinate job??  What did Obama promise her that gave her the confidence to take the back seat position in power not only today, but for the future?</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230;. I can&#8217;t see Colin Powell going anywhere near the SOS position again&#8230; even under a new POTUS.</p>
<p>RockyB, I think the chain of succession theory might be over the top&#8230; LOL   My only question is why you believe the Speaker position is bypassed just because it is filled with new shoes (using your Pelosi to cabinet analogy).  Is there some sort of tenure as Speaker required to be third in succession that I am unaware of?</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » The Enigma of a Sec’y of State &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » The Enigma of a Sec’y of State &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so is there a way where this could work to her advantage? Let me throw a little twist atcha&#039;. 

Knowing the history of the Clinton&#039;s and the 29 &quot;mysterious deaths&quot; associated with them, including Vince Foster, Hillary&#039;s former law partner. The question of presidential succession comes immediately to mind. 

What the SoS position means in the line of succession:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The United States Secretary of State is the head of the United States Department of State, concerned with foreign affairs. The Secretary is a member of the President&#039;s Cabinet and the highest-ranking cabinet secretary both in line of succession and order of precedence. The current United States Secretary of State is Condoleeza Rice.
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As the highest-ranking member of the cabinet, the Secretary of State is fourth in line to succeed the Presidency, coming after the Vice President, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the President pro tempore of the Senate. (See United States presidential line of succession.)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For sake of argument, let&#039;s play Devil&#039;s Advocate and say Obama also selects Nancy Pelosi to a cabinet position. She would have to give up her SoHoR position. That would certainly reset things to eliminate step three. Now, let&#039;s add Obama fails to deliver his long-form Birth Certificate and the Supreme Court determines he is ineligible to be the President. Biden would presumably take over the helm. Yet Biden has already had 2 brain aneurysms and could step down from accepting the role for health reasons or &quot;suffer a convenient relapse&quot;. If Pelosi has already signed on as a cabinet member, she would have to step down from the speaker position, so she couldn&#039;t accept the position. It would not go to the new speaker of the incoming Congress, but to Hillary. Conspiracy theorists might say perhaps this was what was intended all along. 

This would kind of blow holes in Rush Limbaugh&#039;s OPERATION: CHAOS pre-primaries ploy. Remember, he had suggested Repubs register as Dems before the primaries, then vote against Hillary (for Obama) because he figured Obama with little experience would be easier to beat by whoever the Republican candidate was in a landslide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Okay, so is there a way where this could work to her advantage? Let me throw a little twist atcha&#8217;. </p>
<p>Knowing the history of the Clinton&#8217;s and the 29 &#8220;mysterious deaths&#8221; associated with them, including Vince Foster, Hillary&#8217;s former law partner. The question of presidential succession comes immediately to mind. </p>
<p>What the SoS position means in the line of succession:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State</a></p>
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The United States Secretary of State is the head of the United States Department of State, concerned with foreign affairs. The Secretary is a member of the President&#8217;s Cabinet and the highest-ranking cabinet secretary both in line of succession and order of precedence. The current United States Secretary of State is Condoleeza Rice.<br />
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As the highest-ranking member of the cabinet, the Secretary of State is fourth in line to succeed the Presidency, coming after the Vice President, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the President pro tempore of the Senate. (See United States presidential line of succession.)
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<p>For sake of argument, let&#8217;s play Devil&#8217;s Advocate and say Obama also selects Nancy Pelosi to a cabinet position. She would have to give up her SoHoR position. That would certainly reset things to eliminate step three. Now, let&#8217;s add Obama fails to deliver his long-form Birth Certificate and the Supreme Court determines he is ineligible to be the President. Biden would presumably take over the helm. Yet Biden has already had 2 brain aneurysms and could step down from accepting the role for health reasons or &#8220;suffer a convenient relapse&#8221;. If Pelosi has already signed on as a cabinet member, she would have to step down from the speaker position, so she couldn&#8217;t accept the position. It would not go to the new speaker of the incoming Congress, but to Hillary. Conspiracy theorists might say perhaps this was what was intended all along. </p>
<p>This would kind of blow holes in Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s OPERATION: CHAOS pre-primaries ploy. Remember, he had suggested Repubs register as Dems before the primaries, then vote against Hillary (for Obama) because he figured Obama with little experience would be easier to beat by whoever the Republican candidate was in a landslide.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to my comment # 9 here is some more information:

Hillary Clinton and the Emoluments Clause:
http://volokh.com/posts/1227548910.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>In regard to my comment # 9 here is some more information:</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton and the Emoluments Clause:<br />
<a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1227548910.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/posts/1227548910.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jainphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First step in appointing Bill as secretary general of the U.N.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>First step in appointing Bill as secretary general of the U.N.?</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/24/the-enigma-of-a-secy-of-state-hillary-clinton/#comment-133651</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy answer, Slow Joe dies (no matter how), Hillary becomes VP and in 2012 she is the democrat candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Easy answer, Slow Joe dies (no matter how), Hillary becomes VP and in 2012 she is the democrat candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/24/the-enigma-of-a-secy-of-state-hillary-clinton/#comment-133642</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this is correct, but I read this on another blog:

&quot;Hillary Clinton is not eligible for Secretary of State. I think there was a flap about one of the Nixon appointments in this regard. 

Article I, Section 6 says that no member of Congress shall be appointed to any civil office (i.e., SecState) where the salary of that office was increased during the congress-member’s term.

During Clinton’s term of office, the salary of the Secretary of State was increased by about $5,000 per year (from $186,600 to $191,300).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t know if this is correct, but I read this on another blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton is not eligible for Secretary of State. I think there was a flap about one of the Nixon appointments in this regard. </p>
<p>Article I, Section 6 says that no member of Congress shall be appointed to any civil office (i.e., SecState) where the salary of that office was increased during the congress-member’s term.</p>
<p>During Clinton’s term of office, the salary of the Secretary of State was increased by about $5,000 per year (from $186,600 to $191,300).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Real American Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real American Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AdrianS:

That is down right laughable!!!

worldnetdaily must really want to get in the news....</description>
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<p>That is down right laughable!!!</p>
<p>worldnetdaily must really want to get in the news&#8230;.</p>
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