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	<title>Comments on: Sarah Palin&#8217;s Turkey Pardon Massacre</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/21/sarah-palins-turkey-pardon-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-134444</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imsurroundedbyidiots is surrounded by mirrors

TURKEY DAY WAS AWESOME</description>
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<p>TURKEY DAY WAS AWESOME</p>
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		<title>By: DiveCon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/21/sarah-palins-turkey-pardon-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-134291</link>
		<dc:creator>DiveCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

yeah, vegans eat their veggies while they are STILL ALIVE
oh the HORROR to hear the veggies SCREAM
as you are muching them</description>
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<p>yeah, vegans eat their veggies while they are STILL ALIVE<br />
oh the HORROR to hear the veggies SCREAM<br />
as you are muching them</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/21/sarah-palins-turkey-pardon-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-134251</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;d say most of you caught the irony with the chosen moniker by  &quot;imsurroundedbyidiots&quot;.

Most amusing is, of course, &quot;imsurrounded&#039;s&quot; projected behavior onto the turkey farmer in the background...

&lt;blockquote&gt;The true message is that the man slaughtering the turkey shies away from his activity when he knows the camera is on him because those that slaughter animals know that people do not want to see how their food is brought to their tables. Do not try and justify this turkey’s slaughter as natural because there is NOTHING natural about one man slaughtering hundreds to thousands of turkeys for those who want to consume the animal without witnessing the entire process. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2137757/posts?page=55&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;the turkey farmer spoke on Inside Edition.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Neither he nor Palin knew what was framed in the camera.  imsurrounded is, of course, an idiot to field production.

Mankind and the food chain - a natural order to survival - has been enforced since the beginning of our time.  Man is carnivorous... always has been (since creating an efficient weapon...).   That&#039;s the way it goes.  

So enjoy your veggies, imsurrounded.  Hopefully you will ignore their &quot;silent screams&quot; when plucked...  LOL    I&#039;m sure none of us would wish to invite you to our Thanksgiving tables anyway.  Now go slink back to your PETA meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yeah, I&#8217;d say most of you caught the irony with the chosen moniker by  &#8220;imsurroundedbyidiots&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most amusing is, of course, &#8220;imsurrounded&#8217;s&#8221; projected behavior onto the turkey farmer in the background&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>The true message is that the man slaughtering the turkey shies away from his activity when he knows the camera is on him because those that slaughter animals know that people do not want to see how their food is brought to their tables. Do not try and justify this turkey’s slaughter as natural because there is NOTHING natural about one man slaughtering hundreds to thousands of turkeys for those who want to consume the animal without witnessing the entire process. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2137757/posts?page=55" rel="nofollow"><b>the turkey farmer spoke on Inside Edition.</b></a> Neither he nor Palin knew what was framed in the camera.  imsurrounded is, of course, an idiot to field production.</p>
<p>Mankind and the food chain &#8211; a natural order to survival &#8211; has been enforced since the beginning of our time.  Man is carnivorous&#8230; always has been (since creating an efficient weapon&#8230;).   That&#8217;s the way it goes.  </p>
<p>So enjoy your veggies, imsurrounded.  Hopefully you will ignore their &#8220;silent screams&#8221; when plucked&#8230;  LOL    I&#8217;m sure none of us would wish to invite you to our Thanksgiving tables anyway.  Now go slink back to your PETA meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: DiveCon</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiveCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol

he&#039;s not just surrounded by them, he&#039;s ONE of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>lol</p>
<p>he&#8217;s not just surrounded by them, he&#8217;s ONE of them</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet we are not shocked by your own ignorance.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
It was not that long ago when humans were at the bottom of the food chain, merely scavengers, who ate mostly vegetation and large predator’s left overs so
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Bottom of the food chain&quot;? I guess imsurroundedbyidiots is talking about back when mankind was hunted by dinosaurs. Or would that be during the Great Stone Age Plankton Wars? Been reading Matt Dillon&#039;s talking points on Palin, eh? Still your moniker choice was apropro. If you hang with ultra PETA whack jobs who hold all animals as superior to man and believe everything they tell you, you rather run into that problem. 

I suggest a healthy dose of reality. The human body is that of a predator, not a scavenger. They hunted in packs, were given minds capable of considering hunting strategies &amp; tool making and have opposed thumbs for manipulating those tools. Bodies designed for running, climbing, and stealth. Why would those traits be necessary for a vegetarian animal? Are carrots and celery are that difficult to overpower and consume? Though omnivores, we have incisors for cutting through our foods and canines for gripping and tearing meat. Carnivore tendencies of mankind are certainly not solely a Biblical concept. Cave paintings depicting hunting parties alone prove that error in logic.

Domesticated foul will attack and consume lower lifeforms. Insects and worms. Yet do you think they consider the panic and fear those creatures might feel? Birds like fish as species are scavengers and will even eat their own if presented the opportunity. Being farm raised, I&#039;ve seen it happen. A flock of them gathered around a dead chick or pecking and slashing with their spur claws a sickly weaker link in the flock. Ever heard the term &quot;pecking order&quot;? That&#039;s where it comes from. Even in their own genus, the strong will prey upon the weak.

What about the rights of the plants you eat? They react to soothing music and struggle to survive. If you cut them, do they not bleed chlorophyll? If one wishes to throw bricks of outrage they should first examine the precariousness of their own glass houses. When animals start forming protest groups on their own and start demanding their equal rights, I will be more than happy to entertain their debate just as I would with flora lifeforms. Until then, animals must eat to survive, and we are quite content with savoring their flesh. 

Perhaps imsurroundedbyidiots would prefer we eat Soylent Green?

Not for me. Like Missy, I too will enjoy my Thanksgiving turkey and hope that all others who so desire enjoy the repasts of their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yet we are not shocked by your own ignorance.</p>
<blockquote><p>
It was not that long ago when humans were at the bottom of the food chain, merely scavengers, who ate mostly vegetation and large predator’s left overs so
</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Bottom of the food chain&#8221;? I guess imsurroundedbyidiots is talking about back when mankind was hunted by dinosaurs. Or would that be during the Great Stone Age Plankton Wars? Been reading Matt Dillon&#8217;s talking points on Palin, eh? Still your moniker choice was apropro. If you hang with ultra PETA whack jobs who hold all animals as superior to man and believe everything they tell you, you rather run into that problem. </p>
<p>I suggest a healthy dose of reality. The human body is that of a predator, not a scavenger. They hunted in packs, were given minds capable of considering hunting strategies &amp; tool making and have opposed thumbs for manipulating those tools. Bodies designed for running, climbing, and stealth. Why would those traits be necessary for a vegetarian animal? Are carrots and celery are that difficult to overpower and consume? Though omnivores, we have incisors for cutting through our foods and canines for gripping and tearing meat. Carnivore tendencies of mankind are certainly not solely a Biblical concept. Cave paintings depicting hunting parties alone prove that error in logic.</p>
<p>Domesticated foul will attack and consume lower lifeforms. Insects and worms. Yet do you think they consider the panic and fear those creatures might feel? Birds like fish as species are scavengers and will even eat their own if presented the opportunity. Being farm raised, I&#8217;ve seen it happen. A flock of them gathered around a dead chick or pecking and slashing with their spur claws a sickly weaker link in the flock. Ever heard the term &#8220;pecking order&#8221;? That&#8217;s where it comes from. Even in their own genus, the strong will prey upon the weak.</p>
<p>What about the rights of the plants you eat? They react to soothing music and struggle to survive. If you cut them, do they not bleed chlorophyll? If one wishes to throw bricks of outrage they should first examine the precariousness of their own glass houses. When animals start forming protest groups on their own and start demanding their equal rights, I will be more than happy to entertain their debate just as I would with flora lifeforms. Until then, animals must eat to survive, and we are quite content with savoring their flesh. </p>
<p>Perhaps imsurroundedbyidiots would prefer we eat Soylent Green?</p>
<p>Not for me. Like Missy, I too will enjoy my Thanksgiving turkey and hope that all others who so desire enjoy the repasts of their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egad, we now have heard it all.  Enjoy your tofu tomorrow, we&#039;re having turkey, tonight, porterhouse steaks, still able to grill it even though we didn&#039;t kill it, kudos out to those that did the dirty deed.

The turkey butcher speaks:

http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2373</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Egad, we now have heard it all.  Enjoy your tofu tomorrow, we&#8217;re having turkey, tonight, porterhouse steaks, still able to grill it even though we didn&#8217;t kill it, kudos out to those that did the dirty deed.</p>
<p>The turkey butcher speaks:</p>
<p><a href="http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2373" rel="nofollow">http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2373</a></p>
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		<title>By: imsurroundedbyidiots</title>
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		<dc:creator>imsurroundedbyidiots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked at the ignorance on this page. All of you folks justify your cruelty by opening your bible to the page that says man has dominion over animals. Tyrants have dominions over their countries but that does not mean they have the right to slaughter their people. Do no seperate yourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom because, believe it or not, we all have central nervous systems which allow ALL of us, turkey and human, to feel pain and consequently suffer. The video with sarah palin standing in front of a turkey being slaughtered is not funny, rather sad. It seems that Palins presence is inconsequential here other than an affirmation that she is an idiot. The true message is that the man slaughtering the turkey shies away from his activity when he knows the camera is on him because those that slaughter animals know that people do not want to see how their food is brought to their tables. Do not try and justify this turkey&#039;s slaughter as natural because there is NOTHING natural about one man slaughtering hundreds to thousands of turkeys for those who want to consume the animal without witnessing the entire process. Plopping a living being into a metal contraption to be beheaded is not natural. Could you not see the obvious fear the turkey was experiencing while it struggled for it&#039;s life. Would you feel the same if a mentally retarded child were plopped into that contraption to be ground up? You say that there can be no comparison, but in actuality a mentally retarded person may have the same mental capacity as that turkey and therefore be as useful to our society as that turkey.... Speciesism is just as dangerous as racism so if you condone one most likely you condone the other (whether you will admit it or not). It was not that long ago when humans were at the bottom of the food chain, merely scavengers, who ate mostly vegetation and large predator&#039;s left overs so... jump down off your high horses people and keep the value of your &quot;humanity&quot; in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I am shocked at the ignorance on this page. All of you folks justify your cruelty by opening your bible to the page that says man has dominion over animals. Tyrants have dominions over their countries but that does not mean they have the right to slaughter their people. Do no seperate yourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom because, believe it or not, we all have central nervous systems which allow ALL of us, turkey and human, to feel pain and consequently suffer. The video with sarah palin standing in front of a turkey being slaughtered is not funny, rather sad. It seems that Palins presence is inconsequential here other than an affirmation that she is an idiot. The true message is that the man slaughtering the turkey shies away from his activity when he knows the camera is on him because those that slaughter animals know that people do not want to see how their food is brought to their tables. Do not try and justify this turkey&#8217;s slaughter as natural because there is NOTHING natural about one man slaughtering hundreds to thousands of turkeys for those who want to consume the animal without witnessing the entire process. Plopping a living being into a metal contraption to be beheaded is not natural. Could you not see the obvious fear the turkey was experiencing while it struggled for it&#8217;s life. Would you feel the same if a mentally retarded child were plopped into that contraption to be ground up? You say that there can be no comparison, but in actuality a mentally retarded person may have the same mental capacity as that turkey and therefore be as useful to our society as that turkey&#8230;. Speciesism is just as dangerous as racism so if you condone one most likely you condone the other (whether you will admit it or not). It was not that long ago when humans were at the bottom of the food chain, merely scavengers, who ate mostly vegetation and large predator&#8217;s left overs so&#8230; jump down off your high horses people and keep the value of your &#8220;humanity&#8221; in perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The warning to viewer to get the children &amp; squeamish away from the TV...

&quot;She neglected to see what was going on behind her...&quot;?

A &quot;Chopping Block&quot; question? Followed by asking her what she intended to serve up for Thanksgiving dinner. What would &#039;the politically correct answer be? &quot;Tofu&quot;?

With the camera angles and all, yeah it was &#039;just a bit&#039; of a &#039;gotcha&#039; clip&#039; and a set-up. 

The guy in the back mugging to the camera and grinning like a would-be Michael Moore, standing aside so that the viewer can see what&#039;s going on, then pivoting towards the camera to his left, to watch for the crew to cue him when to &#039;ace&#039; the bird, frequent pauses to ensure the viewer got their maximum look at what was going on, really hokey stuff MSNBC. 

Of course, it was a cheap shot staged intentionally to steam and pander to PETA folks. If anyone owes anybody an apology, it&#039;s the production crew. That Sarah doesn&#039;t let it phase her when she glances over and see&#039;s what the crew is reacting to gives her credit, yet as a hunter &amp; fisher, it wouldn&#039;t really wouldn&#039;t have bothered her personally. Having spent some time on a farm, it didn&#039;t bother me either, though I&#039;m sure she might have been a little miffed with the media having the lack of class to show it on news programs as a stunt to gross out children and perhaps turn &quot;future voters&quot; away. 

Despite the propaganda style to the video. It does offer adults an opportunity to explain to children where meat comes from. Heck I&#039;ve known since I was a toddler that one had to harvest an animal to put meat on the table. Hell I saw worst fare in B&amp;W school films in the 1960&#039;s. Besides, with all the blood and gore in video games this is mild and almost clinical in comparison. Maybe they should have had the guy swing the turkey while someone squirted some fake blood on the camera lens for added effect.

But this can be played two ways media. They don&#039;t mind when schools show cancer in health classes to scare kids from smoking, but why not have them view videos of actual abortions in high school health classes? Oh wait... They don&#039;t want them to abstain from sex do they, because morality doesn&#039;t make for good stories does it? You like it when kids are promiscuous. It makes for more stories later and you can push them to support abortions later, right? Maury Povich would be out of a job then... So better for the media if condoms and pedophilia are just showcased on Sesame Street, handed out in grade school, and if nobody ever discusses abstinence, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The warning to viewer to get the children &amp; squeamish away from the TV&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;She neglected to see what was going on behind her&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>A &#8220;Chopping Block&#8221; question? Followed by asking her what she intended to serve up for Thanksgiving dinner. What would &#8216;the politically correct answer be? &#8220;Tofu&#8221;?</p>
<p>With the camera angles and all, yeah it was &#8216;just a bit&#8217; of a &#8216;gotcha&#8217; clip&#8217; and a set-up. </p>
<p>The guy in the back mugging to the camera and grinning like a would-be Michael Moore, standing aside so that the viewer can see what&#8217;s going on, then pivoting towards the camera to his left, to watch for the crew to cue him when to &#8216;ace&#8217; the bird, frequent pauses to ensure the viewer got their maximum look at what was going on, really hokey stuff MSNBC. </p>
<p>Of course, it was a cheap shot staged intentionally to steam and pander to PETA folks. If anyone owes anybody an apology, it&#8217;s the production crew. That Sarah doesn&#8217;t let it phase her when she glances over and see&#8217;s what the crew is reacting to gives her credit, yet as a hunter &amp; fisher, it wouldn&#8217;t really wouldn&#8217;t have bothered her personally. Having spent some time on a farm, it didn&#8217;t bother me either, though I&#8217;m sure she might have been a little miffed with the media having the lack of class to show it on news programs as a stunt to gross out children and perhaps turn &#8220;future voters&#8221; away. </p>
<p>Despite the propaganda style to the video. It does offer adults an opportunity to explain to children where meat comes from. Heck I&#8217;ve known since I was a toddler that one had to harvest an animal to put meat on the table. Hell I saw worst fare in B&amp;W school films in the 1960&#8242;s. Besides, with all the blood and gore in video games this is mild and almost clinical in comparison. Maybe they should have had the guy swing the turkey while someone squirted some fake blood on the camera lens for added effect.</p>
<p>But this can be played two ways media. They don&#8217;t mind when schools show cancer in health classes to scare kids from smoking, but why not have them view videos of actual abortions in high school health classes? Oh wait&#8230; They don&#8217;t want them to abstain from sex do they, because morality doesn&#8217;t make for good stories does it? You like it when kids are promiscuous. It makes for more stories later and you can push them to support abortions later, right? Maury Povich would be out of a job then&#8230; So better for the media if condoms and pedophilia are just showcased on Sesame Street, handed out in grade school, and if nobody ever discusses abstinence, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cleary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Cleary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Best of Turkeygate...&lt;/strong&gt;

Unless you eat this for Thanksgiving, you probably weren&#039;t too shocked by this Sarah Palin interview from earlier this week: But liberals sure were. Next month comes the truth about Santa Claus. For your Sunday morning reading pleasure, here is......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><strong>The Best of Turkeygate&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Unless you eat this for Thanksgiving, you probably weren&#8217;t too shocked by this Sarah Palin interview from earlier this week: But liberals sure were. Next month comes the truth about Santa Claus. For your Sunday morning reading pleasure, here is&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IndieDogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndieDogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the part where they bring the newborn out backwards (so they can claim it&#039;s not legally &quot;born&quot; yet), then crack the skull and attach a hose to suck out the brain.

That should work well for a visual backdrop.

Except it should be BHO in the foreground since he&#039;s the one who repeatedly voted against banning the procedure.

By the way, I think the studio should re-release Chicken Run, the movie about the chickens staging a breakout from the chicken coop.  I never realized it was a political masterpiece. I just thought it was a really funny movie about chickens.

Who knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Maybe the part where they bring the newborn out backwards (so they can claim it&#8217;s not legally &#8220;born&#8221; yet), then crack the skull and attach a hose to suck out the brain.</p>
<p>That should work well for a visual backdrop.</p>
<p>Except it should be BHO in the foreground since he&#8217;s the one who repeatedly voted against banning the procedure.</p>
<p>By the way, I think the studio should re-release Chicken Run, the movie about the chickens staging a breakout from the chicken coop.  I never realized it was a political masterpiece. I just thought it was a really funny movie about chickens.</p>
<p>Who knew.</p>
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