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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; President Bush Took His Eyes Off the Ball in the GWoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; President Bush Took His Eyes Off the Ball in the GWoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] al Qaeda blusters and purports to be planning new attacks, they&#8217;ve been getting their asses kicked in, all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Ciz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ciz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can be against war all you want, just a a woman can be against rape.  But when it is foisted on you, it will happen if you believe in it or not.  The only real choice you have is at what point do you begin asserting your own interest.  If you wait until too late you will only be able to fight for survival, and at a serious disadvantage and poor prospects.  You&#039;ll also find yourself increasingly in that same situation, just as a woman who is easily raped will likely be raped often, or the kid who&#039;s lunch money is easily taken will be taken often.  That is the world.  It has always been the world.  The only way to change that will be by force.  In short, only war can end war.  Yes, it is a catch 22.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You can be against war all you want, just a a woman can be against rape.  But when it is foisted on you, it will happen if you believe in it or not.  The only real choice you have is at what point do you begin asserting your own interest.  If you wait until too late you will only be able to fight for survival, and at a serious disadvantage and poor prospects.  You&#8217;ll also find yourself increasingly in that same situation, just as a woman who is easily raped will likely be raped often, or the kid who&#8217;s lunch money is easily taken will be taken often.  That is the world.  It has always been the world.  The only way to change that will be by force.  In short, only war can end war.  Yes, it is a catch 22.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm Dean, we tried to work with our &quot;allies&quot; and they refused or spiked their efforts. Try facing reality for once.</description>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean you are wrong.  Pacifists are ignorant people.   Wars are inevitable in the 21st century.   Islamic terrorists do not care about our foreign policies.   They just hate our guts because they think we are infidels.   They hate our way of living, our freedom, our rights and liberties.   They want to install Sharia law thru out the planet.   That is their goal and no negotiations with them are possible.  They will never change their mind.  Wars are necessary evil to fight greater evil.   It is impossible to negotiate with crazy furious radicals.   You have to understand that and so does Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Dean you are wrong.  Pacifists are ignorant people.   Wars are inevitable in the 21st century.   Islamic terrorists do not care about our foreign policies.   They just hate our guts because they think we are infidels.   They hate our way of living, our freedom, our rights and liberties.   They want to install Sharia law thru out the planet.   That is their goal and no negotiations with them are possible.  They will never change their mind.  Wars are necessary evil to fight greater evil.   It is impossible to negotiate with crazy furious radicals.   You have to understand that and so does Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another problem with most of the people who believe in war. Most Americans do so because they have not experience it first hand. But facing war in your backyard for whatever reason is terrifying. War is not a solution to 21st century world problems and America cannot solve the global problems on its own. America has to work with its allies closely to push for global agenda. I am glad that unilaterary view and action of America is coming to an end</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Here is another problem with most of the people who believe in war. Most Americans do so because they have not experience it first hand. But facing war in your backyard for whatever reason is terrifying. War is not a solution to 21st century world problems and America cannot solve the global problems on its own. America has to work with its allies closely to push for global agenda. I am glad that unilaterary view and action of America is coming to an end</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig;
Though I would certainly agree that Islamic rogue nations are more than happy to see Obama taking office. I don&#039;t think I would go so far as to issue a blanket statement that ALL Islamic nations prefer to see Obama in charge. 

Despite anti-Kurd, sentiments, I suspect the Turkish government would not prefer him. Trust is a very important consideration there. 

The same could be said for the Saudi royal family, though the commoners in their streets value an Obama Admin. I think Obama&#039;s well-concealed support for big oil is the only thing that will keep him in Saudi&#039;s court (Obama has taken lobbyist support from big oil. So, regardless of what he tells his supporters, he will not crack down on them). 

Kuwait owes it&#039;s very existence today to U.S. led NATO forces going in and expelling Saddam&#039;s royal guard and military out via Desert Storm.

I would have to put Afghanistan in a wait and see category. Their government has been relatively co-operative with the U.S. so far, it really depends whether Obama has the nerve to follow through. I think once he got word of Osama bin Laden&#039;s capture or elimination, Obama would decide he had played out what it was worth towards his own legacy and pull our troops out in a heartbeat. Leaving Afganistan to it&#039;s own devices and at the mercy of a potential Taliban coup. We have to take BHO&#039;s own selfish ego under consideration.

I do not foresee Obama getting tough with Russia. I think Russia will re-engage within 3-6 months and take over Georgia. Followed by the Ukraine. I doubt Barry has the stones to take on a socialist country, as doing so would be counter to socialist world domination ideology. Though I have my doubts Medvedev would actually risk launching a nuke strike against Poland if the missile shield is placed, He will take Georgia &amp; the Ukraine as consolation prizes. The only factor I see that might alter a Poland response would depend on whether Obama would be foolish enough to disarm America&#039;s nuclear defense/deterrence capability.

With Obama&#039;s perceived weaknesses. A similar attempt by China to re-absorb Taiwan is indeed very likely. I don&#039;t invasion Obama being tested here. I doubt he would even ante up. He&#039;ll just fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Craig;<br />
Though I would certainly agree that Islamic rogue nations are more than happy to see Obama taking office. I don&#8217;t think I would go so far as to issue a blanket statement that ALL Islamic nations prefer to see Obama in charge. </p>
<p>Despite anti-Kurd, sentiments, I suspect the Turkish government would not prefer him. Trust is a very important consideration there. </p>
<p>The same could be said for the Saudi royal family, though the commoners in their streets value an Obama Admin. I think Obama&#8217;s well-concealed support for big oil is the only thing that will keep him in Saudi&#8217;s court (Obama has taken lobbyist support from big oil. So, regardless of what he tells his supporters, he will not crack down on them). </p>
<p>Kuwait owes it&#8217;s very existence today to U.S. led NATO forces going in and expelling Saddam&#8217;s royal guard and military out via Desert Storm.</p>
<p>I would have to put Afghanistan in a wait and see category. Their government has been relatively co-operative with the U.S. so far, it really depends whether Obama has the nerve to follow through. I think once he got word of Osama bin Laden&#8217;s capture or elimination, Obama would decide he had played out what it was worth towards his own legacy and pull our troops out in a heartbeat. Leaving Afganistan to it&#8217;s own devices and at the mercy of a potential Taliban coup. We have to take BHO&#8217;s own selfish ego under consideration.</p>
<p>I do not foresee Obama getting tough with Russia. I think Russia will re-engage within 3-6 months and take over Georgia. Followed by the Ukraine. I doubt Barry has the stones to take on a socialist country, as doing so would be counter to socialist world domination ideology. Though I have my doubts Medvedev would actually risk launching a nuke strike against Poland if the missile shield is placed, He will take Georgia &amp; the Ukraine as consolation prizes. The only factor I see that might alter a Poland response would depend on whether Obama would be foolish enough to disarm America&#8217;s nuclear defense/deterrence capability.</p>
<p>With Obama&#8217;s perceived weaknesses. A similar attempt by China to re-absorb Taiwan is indeed very likely. I don&#8217;t invasion Obama being tested here. I doubt he would even ante up. He&#8217;ll just fold.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how I see the future of Obama&#039;s presidency in the years to come.   I made a list of the main possible events.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OBAMA WILL BE TESTED ON IN FOREIGN POLICIES:

IRAQ:

If Obama retreats the U.S. troops too early, that could start back trouble and violence that had been stopped by the Surge and would deprive America of a well fought Victory.   If Obama leaves the troops there for the time Iraq needs them, than he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and leftist Americans

IRAN:

Negotiations that have been taken for years to restrain the Mullahs to get their nuclear facilities have failed miserably.   Sanctions has been overlooked and contoured specially by European countries.   Should Obama decide not to bomb Iran, then he will have to reinforce the sanctions against Iran and this will not please Europe.  The only other alternative would be to let the Mullah get their nuclear facilities.   But the whole world and specially Israel will be scared to death.   If Obama decides to bomb Iran, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans 

AFGHANISTAN:

Obama promised to double his efforts in this crumbly country.   Maybe that was only empty words and he will try to search for &quot;moderate Talibans&quot; that some people are talking about these days... lol.    Or, if he was serious about it, he will try to get more of NATO&#039;s cooperation.    But Europeans counties already want to disengage with Afghanistan.   Should he chose that road, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans  

RUSSIA:

The American and European positions on Russia are very different.   If Obama leftist tendencies switch to extreme left to seduce West Europe,  that means that he will be ready to sacrifice Ukraine, a part of freedom to Central Europe and the resources of Central Asia.    If he remains strong against Russia, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans 

ISRAEL/PALESTINE CONFLICT:

If Obama gets too close to the European&#039;s positions that are clearly pro-Palestinian, Jewish Americans who voted for him will be mad and will not give him their support next time around.  If he leans toward Israel, he will get the hater of the Islamic world and will deceive his previous associations who put him in the place of POTUS.  And of course, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans 


CHINA, TAÏWAN, VENEZUELA, COLUMBIA, CUBA and AFRICA:

These are other problems that Obama will have to face and there are not many ways to deal with them that will be good for him

SO, IF I WAS AN OBAMATRON, I would celebrate all I can right now, because the PARTY will not be lasting very long... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This is how I see the future of Obama&#8217;s presidency in the years to come.   I made a list of the main possible events.</p>
<p>THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OBAMA WILL BE TESTED ON IN FOREIGN POLICIES:</p>
<p>IRAQ:</p>
<p>If Obama retreats the U.S. troops too early, that could start back trouble and violence that had been stopped by the Surge and would deprive America of a well fought Victory.   If Obama leaves the troops there for the time Iraq needs them, than he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and leftist Americans</p>
<p>IRAN:</p>
<p>Negotiations that have been taken for years to restrain the Mullahs to get their nuclear facilities have failed miserably.   Sanctions has been overlooked and contoured specially by European countries.   Should Obama decide not to bomb Iran, then he will have to reinforce the sanctions against Iran and this will not please Europe.  The only other alternative would be to let the Mullah get their nuclear facilities.   But the whole world and specially Israel will be scared to death.   If Obama decides to bomb Iran, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans </p>
<p>AFGHANISTAN:</p>
<p>Obama promised to double his efforts in this crumbly country.   Maybe that was only empty words and he will try to search for &#8220;moderate Talibans&#8221; that some people are talking about these days&#8230; lol.    Or, if he was serious about it, he will try to get more of NATO&#8217;s cooperation.    But Europeans counties already want to disengage with Afghanistan.   Should he chose that road, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans  </p>
<p>RUSSIA:</p>
<p>The American and European positions on Russia are very different.   If Obama leftist tendencies switch to extreme left to seduce West Europe,  that means that he will be ready to sacrifice Ukraine, a part of freedom to Central Europe and the resources of Central Asia.    If he remains strong against Russia, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans </p>
<p>ISRAEL/PALESTINE CONFLICT:</p>
<p>If Obama gets too close to the European&#8217;s positions that are clearly pro-Palestinian, Jewish Americans who voted for him will be mad and will not give him their support next time around.  If he leans toward Israel, he will get the hater of the Islamic world and will deceive his previous associations who put him in the place of POTUS.  And of course, he will be seen as no different than Bush in the eyes of the World and the leftist Americans </p>
<p>CHINA, TAÏWAN, VENEZUELA, COLUMBIA, CUBA and AFRICA:</p>
<p>These are other problems that Obama will have to face and there are not many ways to deal with them that will be good for him</p>
<p>SO, IF I WAS AN OBAMATRON, I would celebrate all I can right now, because the PARTY will not be lasting very long&#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraqis preferred John McCain.  They are the only Muslim country who does not want Obama as President.   That says a lot.   Iraqis appreciated the United States of America.   

US ELECTION: IF IRAQIS COULD VOTE IT WOULD BE FOR McCAIN http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081030170209.3wcxfwin&amp;show_article=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Iraqis preferred John McCain.  They are the only Muslim country who does not want Obama as President.   That says a lot.   Iraqis appreciated the United States of America.   </p>
<p>US ELECTION: IF IRAQIS COULD VOTE IT WOULD BE FOR McCAIN <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081030170209.3wcxfwin&#038;show_article=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081030170209.3wcxfwin&#038;show_article=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-129971&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MataHarley&lt;/a&gt;: i have a keen sixth sense on things and have warned her of bad employees in the past and she would never open her eyes and see, she would always say that she was sure i was being close monded or just a bitch.  then when she would get screwed over by them, they would steal from her, or come to work way to high to function and the proof was in her face she would tell me i was right.  so after the lecture i got about the change and how michelle will be one hell of  afirst lady and how this is a new day in our nation i just decided ignorance will be bliss, that is until she is screwed by obama policy.  i have takent o calling our country the ussa, and a few friends love it, but are saddened by the fact that it is mostly true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-129971" rel="nofollow">MataHarley</a>: i have a keen sixth sense on things and have warned her of bad employees in the past and she would never open her eyes and see, she would always say that she was sure i was being close monded or just a bitch.  then when she would get screwed over by them, they would steal from her, or come to work way to high to function and the proof was in her face she would tell me i was right.  so after the lecture i got about the change and how michelle will be one hell of  afirst lady and how this is a new day in our nation i just decided ignorance will be bliss, that is until she is screwed by obama policy.  i have takent o calling our country the ussa, and a few friends love it, but are saddened by the fact that it is mostly true.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand, Luva... but it boils down to being the same.  

If they are unaware of something as truth, because they prefer to believe it&#039;s a lie (not because they haven&#039;t heard the concept), it is still a state of &quot;unawareness&quot;.  Perhaps I should expand that to &quot;blissful unawareness&quot;.

Maybe your boss will appreciate some enlightenment, eh?  Or perhaps that may prove to put you in a shake position as a more aware employee!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I understand, Luva&#8230; but it boils down to being the same.  </p>
<p>If they are unaware of something as truth, because they prefer to believe it&#8217;s a lie (not because they haven&#8217;t heard the concept), it is still a state of &#8220;unawareness&#8221;.  Perhaps I should expand that to &#8220;blissful unawareness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Maybe your boss will appreciate some enlightenment, eh?  Or perhaps that may prove to put you in a shake position as a more aware employee!  LOL</p>
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