[...] is the outfit which Obama planed to expand with his forced “volunteerism” operation, which pretty much amounts to his own version of slavery. Of course that plan disappeared and the [...]

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Oh alright, for some reason I thought this was higher on the list. Thanks!

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@Cary:

Threads rotate off the bottom as new threads are posted at the top.

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I could not find this thread on the main page. Was it removed for some reason?

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Why is it that people are so willing to consign other people’s children to compulsory labor? Middle school is grade 6 through 8 or 9, and high school covers grades 9 or 10 through grade 12 (10 years through 18 years old all told). Children are way too over committed now – the last thing they need is to be charged with even more obligations, let alone indoctrination. God knows the school day is way too full of social agendas and far too little actual knowledge as it is. As for college students, they are adults. Paying adults, who are contracting for an education – and no one has a right to force them to give time to some unknown collective agenda. When I was in college I had time for work and time for study – and darn little else. Forcing an adult to work for free or for pay – against his or her will, is a form of slavery. As for those who argue that the government subsidizes college education and can made such demands, well, far better and far cheaper educations were available prior to so much government monetary contamination. But if government money is an excuse for compulsory labor, then freedom is lost-Federal government money taints everything. Absolutely everything. Think carefully, for once freedom, any freedom, is gone – it may not be back, ever.

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@ras:

You claimed in another thread to be both educated and informed.

You have proven yourself to be neither.

Gramen artificiosum odi.

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I am not a radical conspirator who believes we are all to be ensalved. That is like believing we never landed on the moon or that Obama is a member of a white supremist group. To believe that nonsense is absolutely hurting yourself with inside deliusion. What the heck is with you? However I do realize I did the same thing after Bush was first appointed the presidency and looked for every thing bad in him and actually believed he was in favor of the new world order his dad spoke of. Then with the second term I became very afraind for our nation’s security in the hands of incompetence. So with that I do indeed understand your thought process and can assure you it beocmes easier. The only difference here is that Bush lived up to the negativity he so dearly enforced on the people. The change in our legal rights, the wanting to alter the constitution regarding the burning of the flag, the unwillingness to listen to the real experts such as Powell, McCain etc.
My case of dislike was vindicated as Bush left office with the nation packing his bags for him. The overwhelming victory of Obama will indeed feed fear into the hearts on the tunnel visioned people who continue to believe in their selective government and hear only what they wish to hear. To actually believe we are to be enslaved by Obama and then see the country vote to be enslaved may add light to your dark world.

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ras – We call our Armed Forces “volunteer” because it is not compulsory to serve, as it is in some other countries (China, Poland, Singapore…), not because they are not compensated. Some words, like “volunteer”, have more than one slightly different meaning – other words, such as “require”, do not.

Now, I’m an Obama supporter, but there are times, in all his eloquence, he does make poor word choices – this would be one of them. And it would seem that the Obama camp did concede the point by changing the wording.

As for the point made about women, I live in a liberal bastion, so I can’t speak for the whole country, but most of my female friends here did not see Palin as representing their views on certain positions. Whether I agree with those positions or not, they voted on issues rather than genitals.

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@ras:

What kind of truck did you just fall off of?

Apparently you missed what was plainly said on Obama’s site.

The word “REQUIRE” eliminates the whole idea of “volunteer”. This is like the Sesame Street game “Which of these things is not like the other?”

No, members of the US military and the PTA are not slaves. Don’t be absurd. They volunteered. Furthermore, servicemen and women get paid for the job that they volunteered for. That makes your example even more ridiculous.

Volunteerism, when truly voluntary, is an excellent ideal.

Forced, or REQUIRED, volunteerism is not volunteerism at all, but involuntary servitude at best, slavery at worst.

Are you willing to allow the gov’t to violate the 13th amendment by creating programs which REQUIRE you to participate in them?

If so, then I’m sure you’ll have no problem with the Obama administration when they begin to trample on the first and second amendments as well.

YMMV, but I am not willing to give one inch when it comes to the Constitution, original intent of the founding fathers, freedom, and liberty.

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The idea of helping your country is not an opportunity to call that slavery. What kind of ship did you just get off of. Are the military volunteers slaves? Are the PTA members slaves? It is all called loving your country and willing to help it succeed. If you feel differently we can do it with out you and then bring you along later.

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