Mary Beth posted this information in one of her comments.
From President-Elect Obama’s website:
Didn’t President Lincoln free the slaves?
I wonder if the community organizer missed that memo.
Furthermore, I wonder if the Constitutional scholar knows that the Constitution was amended to prohibit involuntary servitude.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Indentured servitude … Wasn’t that outlawed along with slavery?
Aye Chihuahua:
Right now, all we can do is speculate exactly what Obama is going to do. Likely whatever he does do is going to be crafted go down easy but give everyone the s—s .
I know, I know….sometimes I just get a little too enthusiastic, had a post rejected today, likely because it was too far out…:-)
But anyway, we need to take a very close look at that ‘internet legion’ of B. Hussein Obama.
He needs someway of indoctrinating his brown shirt youth.
Indentured servants are the ideal way to do it
Do you realize how ignorant you sound? It clearly states “when you choose to serve,” and that Obama will “call” on Americans to help… I saw similar wording in my church bulletin. I’m very certain you are not racist, but when you post things such as this its the reason liberals turn around and say that everyone in a red state is an ignorant hick.
Jose–
It also clearly states “by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year”
—last I checked, require means you have to do it — not much choice there.
@Jose:
Reading comprehension problem perhaps?
Or a blatant attempt to obfuscate?
Did you read the line that says “REQUIRE”?
Being REQUIRED is not choosing to serve.
I am very certain that you are not stupid, but when you post responses such as this you leave the impression that you may be another mental midget splashing around in the shallow end of the Obama Brain Pool.
I apologize, I did not realize you were still in middle school. I can see where you might have a problem doing community service in High School as well.
Jose:
Read the freaking article again, ok. Look at the wording…”Obama will ‘call’ on citizens of all ages to serve America by developing a plan to ‘require’ 50 hours of community service……”
Capische? More Obama doublespeak, but don’t despair, you are in good company with all those others dancing in the streets. Maybe you don’t realize that his tune is already changing…….
@Jose:
The age of the person being pressed into mandatory service is moot Jose.
The issue is that REQUIRED service is strictly prohibited by Amendment XIII of the US Constitution except when it is imposed as a penalty for a crime.
True volunteerism is a great thing for any and all ages who wish to do it.
Being pressed into service whether you want to or not isn’t a great thing.
You have to realize when you use such incendiary words as Obama Plans to Bring Back Slavery Through Required “Volunteerism” its the same garbage that is spray painted on walls with “Obama wants to enslave the white man” on the side of an abandoned building. Don’t think that our youth should be encouraged to pitch in with community service projects? Absolutely, voice your opinion its a free country. Throw in such words as “slavery” and now it becomes more self defeating than anything.
Jose:
So you are apologizing?? Looks like your ‘apology’ has you scratching your lip with that middle finger at the same time, just like your hero….
Well, the Dems clamored about bring back the draft, now they go it.
A civilian draft.
@Jose:
What would you call being “REQUIRED” to do community service?
I call it a form of slavery.
You may not have a problem with a program which is a direct violation of the Constitution but I do.
Jose:
“incendiary words” wow! what an insight..let me tell you! If McCain had used just a few ‘incendiary words’ a few weeks/months ago rather than being the gentleman and castigating his own supporters who were looking at Obama and being disgusted by what they saw, and firing up his supporters maybe this election would have had a different outcome. The only think he did to fire up anyone during his entire campaign was to select Sara Palin.
I have not heard any of the latter painted on walls, but the former is in print for all to see and is ‘vetted’, thus authentic, so, incendiary or not, they are factual.
Look, if we are going back to “Slavery” may be we can ask Obama to resurrect another fine old custom? That fine old custom would be “Hiring a Substitute for the Draft”.
Frankly, I read this an laughed. If he can get my two high school kids to get off there butts thru mandatory compulsive service that is okay with me. BTW, my kids high school (CA) already has a yearly requirement for comminity service. So, my boys will be VERY interested to see if the O’s new shtick will count toward their HS obligation. LOL!
I agree that its a form a slavery that is being promoted – and its a lot of hours. But many schools do require community service to graduate. And it appears to be legal. If it is included as a graduation requirement, how does that affect the involuntary seritude argument? Change the wording and end up with the same result. This is a serious concern.
Lincoln, through the Emancipation Proclamation, only freed the slaves in the states of which he was NOT then President, to wit, the Confederate States of America. Didn’t do diddly for slaves in NY state, Rhode Island, etc.
It was a PR stunt to tweak Jefferson Davis.
Actually, Baba, Lincoln didn’t have the authority to free the slaves – he could only free the slaves under enemy control. Whole books are written on that subject.
I don’t know if the website was changed, or if the original screenshot that aye chihuaha provided was a photoshop job, but it currently does not say anything about “requiring” service. I’m too tired to see if google has changelogs of the site, but this looks like a hype job. I’m no Obama defender, but if I’m going to argue his policies, I want to use accurate information.
From http://change.gov/americaserves/ (the same link aye chihuahu provided)
@Wisdom:
The screen shot that I provided was directly from the site.
@aye chihuahua
My bad, and my apologies. It WAS changed. I must be tired because I’m starting to think real conspiracies ARE just paranoia. I checked the google cache and the screen shot was right. As they say, just cuz you’re paranoid it doesn’t mean someone really isn’t out to get you.
@Wisdom:
No problem and no apology necessary.
Can you show me how to find confirmation that it was changed?
I was searching for it before you posted confirming that you had found it.
google the the link you provided, then click on the cache link instead of the headline. They must have caught wind of attention and changed it just a short time ago.
Another interesting page, Apply For a Job
http://change.gov/page/s/application
At the bottom it requests:
Most Recent Employer School
Employer School Address
Position Status
Is this an application for indoctrinators?
Jose,
Hey girl, get use to your communist President, this is only the beginning. Women like you irritate me. Did you now that 66% of American women voted for the THE MESSIAH? Yes, 66% despite the fact that he treated Hillary and Sarah in the most despicable manners. Makes you wonder what these women are thinking.
Aye,
Don’t be surprised, most of the videos I had in reserve, magically disappeared from the Internet and specially the ones on You Tube. Only 3 days after his election he is starting to clean out the Net of everything that could affect is reign.
Yes… it was changed around 2 or 3 this afternoon according to google.
Here is the cached version:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:f_Q-RMW-DJoJ:www.change.gov/americaserves/+http://change.gov/americaserves/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Craig that is proof to me that too many women want a “daddy” to take care of them. They thought they saw that in obama.
Hard Right,
Boy, they are stupid and ignorant! Instead of looking up to Sarah Palin who stands strong and proud, they relied on THE ONE who only cares about himself. Gee, he even underpaid his female staff… what’s wrong with these women? They are not about to break the glass ceiling, that’s for sure.
They are the new slaves of America. They don’t protect themselves, they just go by men rules and desires and they don’t hold them to account for their pregnancy, they just shut up and get abortions. Remarkable idiots!
P.S.: BTW, do you remember women fainting in crowds when Obama was giving a speech… lol
Hard Right, it’s obvious you don’t know the right women then
Real women don’t faint, don’t want a “daddy” and can do anything they set their minds to. Those are the kind of women you really need to look for.
USMCdaughter1,
They exist but they are in minority in the U.S. Only 34% of women did NOT vote for Obamarafat.
Fifty bucks says by the end of his first term, you guys will be criticizing him for saying “God Bless America”-”what ever happened to seperation of church and state?”.
Some schools already require some sort of community service around here before they can graduate. I didn’t like that idea when it was brought up. I just think it would turn off people to community service as it would be seen as punishment.
In some colleges and universities, mandatory community service is known as internships and you get units (a form of graduation credit) as a result. As far as I know, there is actually a $4,000 attachment for that 100 hours of community service for the colleges and universities. That $4,000 goes to pay off student loans and other educational fees. As far as any plans go, as president he can’t actually have a real say in how his plans go. As senator he could write the bills up himself, so why didn’t he?
I don’t get it. If there is a $4,000 attachment to it, than it is not a mandatory community service… it is a paid job. Words matters. Well paid job: $4,000 for 100 hours.
@craig – as you said
and the words on that page CHANGED within hours of aya chihuaha and rush limbaugh pointing them out to people. The original page said nothing about compensation for college students and it DID say that the service would be “required”. Check the link in #26 to see the google cache.
Happened to see this on O’s web site http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Chilling. Who’s truth and wonder what he means by “forcefully”?
“…which is to respond directly…” (Obama)
LOL! He never answered one question in his whole campaign. We still don’t know if he is a USA citizen.
Your right, and I just thought of something else, when in the heck has he ever governed?
“… and I just thought of something else, when in the heck has he ever governed?” (Jobeth4)
Yeah, right… when?
LOL!
@ Craig
Guess that just about guts that statement! LOL
just words………..
This female voted for Palin =)
The idea of helping your country is not an opportunity to call that slavery. What kind of ship did you just get off of. Are the military volunteers slaves? Are the PTA members slaves? It is all called loving your country and willing to help it succeed. If you feel differently we can do it with out you and then bring you along later.
@ras:
What kind of truck did you just fall off of?
Apparently you missed what was plainly said on Obama’s site.
The word “REQUIRE” eliminates the whole idea of “volunteer”. This is like the Sesame Street game “Which of these things is not like the other?”
No, members of the US military and the PTA are not slaves. Don’t be absurd. They volunteered. Furthermore, servicemen and women get paid for the job that they volunteered for. That makes your example even more ridiculous.
Volunteerism, when truly voluntary, is an excellent ideal.
Forced, or REQUIRED, volunteerism is not volunteerism at all, but involuntary servitude at best, slavery at worst.
Are you willing to allow the gov’t to violate the 13th amendment by creating programs which REQUIRE you to participate in them?
If so, then I’m sure you’ll have no problem with the Obama administration when they begin to trample on the first and second amendments as well.
YMMV, but I am not willing to give one inch when it comes to the Constitution, original intent of the founding fathers, freedom, and liberty.
ras – We call our Armed Forces “volunteer” because it is not compulsory to serve, as it is in some other countries (China, Poland, Singapore…), not because they are not compensated. Some words, like “volunteer”, have more than one slightly different meaning – other words, such as “require”, do not.
Now, I’m an Obama supporter, but there are times, in all his eloquence, he does make poor word choices – this would be one of them. And it would seem that the Obama camp did concede the point by changing the wording.
As for the point made about women, I live in a liberal bastion, so I can’t speak for the whole country, but most of my female friends here did not see Palin as representing their views on certain positions. Whether I agree with those positions or not, they voted on issues rather than genitals.
I am not a radical conspirator who believes we are all to be ensalved. That is like believing we never landed on the moon or that Obama is a member of a white supremist group. To believe that nonsense is absolutely hurting yourself with inside deliusion. What the heck is with you? However I do realize I did the same thing after Bush was first appointed the presidency and looked for every thing bad in him and actually believed he was in favor of the new world order his dad spoke of. Then with the second term I became very afraind for our nation’s security in the hands of incompetence. So with that I do indeed understand your thought process and can assure you it beocmes easier. The only difference here is that Bush lived up to the negativity he so dearly enforced on the people. The change in our legal rights, the wanting to alter the constitution regarding the burning of the flag, the unwillingness to listen to the real experts such as Powell, McCain etc.
My case of dislike was vindicated as Bush left office with the nation packing his bags for him. The overwhelming victory of Obama will indeed feed fear into the hearts on the tunnel visioned people who continue to believe in their selective government and hear only what they wish to hear. To actually believe we are to be enslaved by Obama and then see the country vote to be enslaved may add light to your dark world.
@ras:
You claimed in another thread to be both educated and informed.
You have proven yourself to be neither.
Gramen artificiosum odi.
Why is it that people are so willing to consign other people’s children to compulsory labor? Middle school is grade 6 through 8 or 9, and high school covers grades 9 or 10 through grade 12 (10 years through 18 years old all told). Children are way too over committed now – the last thing they need is to be charged with even more obligations, let alone indoctrination. God knows the school day is way too full of social agendas and far too little actual knowledge as it is. As for college students, they are adults. Paying adults, who are contracting for an education – and no one has a right to force them to give time to some unknown collective agenda. When I was in college I had time for work and time for study – and darn little else. Forcing an adult to work for free or for pay – against his or her will, is a form of slavery. As for those who argue that the government subsidizes college education and can made such demands, well, far better and far cheaper educations were available prior to so much government monetary contamination. But if government money is an excuse for compulsory labor, then freedom is lost-Federal government money taints everything. Absolutely everything. Think carefully, for once freedom, any freedom, is gone – it may not be back, ever.
I could not find this thread on the main page. Was it removed for some reason?
@Cary:
Threads rotate off the bottom as new threads are posted at the top.
Oh alright, for some reason I thought this was higher on the list. Thanks!
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