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		<title>By: Will 2008 Be the Last Free Election? at Republicans On Best Political Blogs</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129893</link>
		<dc:creator>Will 2008 Be the Last Free Election? at Republicans On Best Political Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will 2008 Be the Last Free Election? &#8230;of the field with land mines and, in short, rig the process to make it next to impossible for the political right, or Republicans, to recover. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Will 2008 Be the Last Free Election? &#8230;of the field with land mines and, in short, rig the process to make it next to impossible for the political right, or Republicans, to recover. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129841</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, don&#039;t know if you checked the new posts, but the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/08/the-bipartisan-war-on-drugs-what-to-do-about-pharmaceutical-prices/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; prescription drugs post is up.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Craig&#039;s already discovered it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Larry, don&#8217;t know if you checked the new posts, but the <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/08/the-bipartisan-war-on-drugs-what-to-do-about-pharmaceutical-prices/ rel="nofollow"><b> prescription drugs post is up.</b></a>  Craig&#8217;s already discovered it.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The bipartisan war on drugs&#8230; what to do about pharmaceutical prices?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The bipartisan war on drugs&#8230; what to do about pharmaceutical prices?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I see missing from the debates then is what our commenter, Larry Weisenthal, and founder of the Weisenthal Cancer Group in Southern California, speaks of today&#8230; and that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] I see missing from the debates then is what our commenter, Larry Weisenthal, and founder of the Weisenthal Cancer Group in Southern California, speaks of today&#8230; and that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129609</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O boy, Larry!   You will fall off your chair when you will hear my boots on our ground experience of Health care.   Disastrous.   But let&#039;s wait for Mata&#039;s thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>O boy, Larry!   You will fall off your chair when you will hear my boots on our ground experience of Health care.   Disastrous.   But let&#8217;s wait for Mata&#8217;s thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Weisenthal</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129604</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Weisenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to comment on Craig&#039;s &quot;pharma&quot; post. It&#039;s an interesting (and not entirely partisan) topic, of relevance to most of us, and certainly relevant to government health  care policy.  

Also, don&#039;t know how much you guys have discussed health care, per se, but that will come up during Obama&#039;s tenure, and it&#039;s interesting that Craig lives in Canada; I&#039;d like to hear his boots on the ground experience with Canadian health care. Waiting to see where Mata&#039;s migrated thread ends up.

- Larry W/HB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;d like to comment on Craig&#8217;s &#8220;pharma&#8221; post. It&#8217;s an interesting (and not entirely partisan) topic, of relevance to most of us, and certainly relevant to government health  care policy.  </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t know how much you guys have discussed health care, per se, but that will come up during Obama&#8217;s tenure, and it&#8217;s interesting that Craig lives in Canada; I&#8217;d like to hear his boots on the ground experience with Canadian health care. Waiting to see where Mata&#8217;s migrated thread ends up.</p>
<p>- Larry W/HB</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129471</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beat me to it, Aye....  &quot;Cut&#039;n&#039;paste&quot; amoeba Jan is busy following my threads around.  Might be a personal vendetta because I slapped her down for trying to make a scandal over Palin and the wardrobe.... still... LOL

Now she&#039;s busy trying to convince us that the SOFA is only going forward because Obama was elected.  Ya know, I get better comprehension from my six year old granddaughter than some of these obama keyboard warriors.

INRE the thread hijack.  Glad you&#039;re benevolent, but it&#039;s been on my mind for quite a while to do a post on the pharma/drug/Obama plan bit.  Pulling together the background of how we got from here to today first, so we can start from a common ground.  Patience.... I keep getting interrupted!  

&lt;strike&gt;I won&#039;t &quot;remove&quot; the above comments, but will duplicate them. &lt;/strike&gt; &lt;i&gt;(you guys need to do that on your own to maintain your identity..)&lt;/i&gt; Maybe we joe blow citizenry can straighten out Congress with our debates.

Then again, as the bailout proved... they don&#039;t listen to us anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Beat me to it, Aye&#8230;.  &#8220;Cut&#8217;n'paste&#8221; amoeba Jan is busy following my threads around.  Might be a personal vendetta because I slapped her down for trying to make a scandal over Palin and the wardrobe&#8230;. still&#8230; LOL</p>
<p>Now she&#8217;s busy trying to convince us that the SOFA is only going forward because Obama was elected.  Ya know, I get better comprehension from my six year old granddaughter than some of these obama keyboard warriors.</p>
<p>INRE the thread hijack.  Glad you&#8217;re benevolent, but it&#8217;s been on my mind for quite a while to do a post on the pharma/drug/Obama plan bit.  Pulling together the background of how we got from here to today first, so we can start from a common ground.  Patience&#8230;. I keep getting interrupted!  </p>
<p><strike>I won&#8217;t &#8220;remove&#8221; the above comments, but will duplicate them. </strike> <i>(you guys need to do that on your own to maintain your identity..)</i> Maybe we joe blow citizenry can straighten out Congress with our debates.</p>
<p>Then again, as the bailout proved&#8230; they don&#8217;t listen to us anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129461</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-129460&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mike’s America&lt;/a&gt;: 

Jan&#039;s been busy leaving crumbs on the carpet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/03/the-dangers-when-a-nation-votes-on-wallet-security-instead-of-national-security/#comment-129450&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;over here&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/a&gt;this evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-129460" rel="nofollow">Mike’s America</a>: </p>
<p>Jan&#8217;s been busy leaving crumbs on the carpet <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/03/the-dangers-when-a-nation-votes-on-wallet-security-instead-of-national-security/#comment-129450" rel="nofollow"><strong>over here</strong> </a>this evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129460</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Now Nanny Mata... We&#039;re not going to start censoring are we?

But yes, we are getting off topic here but today I feel generous in that regard. That might change if &quot;cut and paste Jan&quot; shows up to do another dump on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Now Now Nanny Mata&#8230; We&#8217;re not going to start censoring are we?</p>
<p>But yes, we are getting off topic here but today I feel generous in that regard. That might change if &#8220;cut and paste Jan&#8221; shows up to do another dump on here.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129444</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interest of not &quot;hijacking&quot; Mike&#039;s thread, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/08/the-bipartisan-war-on-drugs-what-to-do-about-pharmaceutical-prices/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;I&#039;ve done a post about prescription drugs.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Appreciate either duplicating, or posting further comments there, please!  Thanks.

&lt;center&gt;Mata... temporary assistant &quot;thread nanny&quot;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>In the interest of not &#8220;hijacking&#8221; Mike&#8217;s thread, <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/08/the-bipartisan-war-on-drugs-what-to-do-about-pharmaceutical-prices/" rel="nofollow"><b>I&#8217;ve done a post about prescription drugs.</b></a></p>
<p>Appreciate either duplicating, or posting further comments there, please!  Thanks.</p>
<p><center>Mata&#8230; temporary assistant &#8220;thread nanny&#8221;</center></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/06/will-2008-be-the-last-free-election/#comment-129426</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry and Mata,

This video should interest you.  It is on the abusive regulation of drugs.   This is why the drugs in USA are so expensive.   The title is in French, but the video is in English.

RÉGLEMENTATION PERVERSE
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pkkq_fda_news

And I also found this:
 
HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY IN USA IN 2008:

- Time to develop a new drug: 10-15 years.
- Average cost to develop a new drug: 1,318 billion of dollars.
- Investment in R&amp;D:  58, 8 billions of dollars.
- Numbers of drugs approved in 2007:  23.
- Average wear of a &quot;patent&quot; to protect a drug: 11 years.
- Percentage of commercial drugs revenues that equals or exceeds the cost of R&amp;D:   20%.
- Percentage of generic drugs:  67%.

For each commercialized drug, the pharmaceutical industry has to do research on 5,000 to10, 000 compounds.    But only 0, 01% to 0, 02% of those compound are commercialized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Larry and Mata,</p>
<p>This video should interest you.  It is on the abusive regulation of drugs.   This is why the drugs in USA are so expensive.   The title is in French, but the video is in English.</p>
<p>RÉGLEMENTATION PERVERSE<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pkkq_fda_news" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pkkq_fda_news</a></p>
<p>And I also found this:</p>
<p>HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY IN USA IN 2008:</p>
<p>- Time to develop a new drug: 10-15 years.<br />
- Average cost to develop a new drug: 1,318 billion of dollars.<br />
- Investment in R&amp;D:  58, 8 billions of dollars.<br />
- Numbers of drugs approved in 2007:  23.<br />
- Average wear of a &#8220;patent&#8221; to protect a drug: 11 years.<br />
- Percentage of commercial drugs revenues that equals or exceeds the cost of R&amp;D:   20%.<br />
- Percentage of generic drugs:  67%.</p>
<p>For each commercialized drug, the pharmaceutical industry has to do research on 5,000 to10, 000 compounds.    But only 0, 01% to 0, 02% of those compound are commercialized.</p>
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