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		<title>By: Jarhead68</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/11/04/dateline-2012-the-waning-days-of-the-failed-obama-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-128882</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarhead68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We are the United States of America. It’s time to work together!&quot;  

Well, I&#039;m a bit late to this party but RAP could not have made a more hilariously hypocritical statement.  Chris G took him to the wood shed better than anyone else could have done.  

RAP, where the hell were you over the past 8 years?  I seem to remember seeing your unpatriotic posts against ad nauseum.  When we are at war, whether you like the reasons for it or not, a patriot supports the commander-in-chief until we achieve victory.  The time for recriminations then begins, not while troops are in harm&#039;s way.  

Rank-and-file democrats who bitch and moan about Bush in the blogs or at their local liberal support groups are just excersing their 1st Ammendment rights but elected officials like Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy, Biden, et al, who go in front of a camera and give the enemies of the US ammunition and propaganda that they can use to recruit more enemies are out and out TRAITORS and should right now be in prison awaiting trial.  Actually, if they had been arrested when they first betrayed the country and the troops, they&#039;d be serving their time already.  In GITMO, I would hope.

If Bush had a pair of balls and a real justice department, there would be some serious treason trials in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;We are the United States of America. It’s time to work together!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m a bit late to this party but RAP could not have made a more hilariously hypocritical statement.  Chris G took him to the wood shed better than anyone else could have done.  </p>
<p>RAP, where the hell were you over the past 8 years?  I seem to remember seeing your unpatriotic posts against ad nauseum.  When we are at war, whether you like the reasons for it or not, a patriot supports the commander-in-chief until we achieve victory.  The time for recriminations then begins, not while troops are in harm&#8217;s way.  </p>
<p>Rank-and-file democrats who bitch and moan about Bush in the blogs or at their local liberal support groups are just excersing their 1st Ammendment rights but elected officials like Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy, Biden, et al, who go in front of a camera and give the enemies of the US ammunition and propaganda that they can use to recruit more enemies are out and out TRAITORS and should right now be in prison awaiting trial.  Actually, if they had been arrested when they first betrayed the country and the troops, they&#8217;d be serving their time already.  In GITMO, I would hope.</p>
<p>If Bush had a pair of balls and a real justice department, there would be some serious treason trials in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam I Am: &lt;b&gt;Stuff it.&lt;/b&gt;

You people have done nothing but vomit your hate at us for eight years and now you tell us to get over it and unite?

Give me a break. If the shoe was on the other foot there would have been riots in the streets last night.

You have seen our forebearance by any abscence of violence and mayhem. But don&#039;t you dare ask for anything more.

Now go back to your masters who directed you here and tell them we aren&#039;t buying their crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Sam I Am: <b>Stuff it.</b></p>
<p>You people have done nothing but vomit your hate at us for eight years and now you tell us to get over it and unite?</p>
<p>Give me a break. If the shoe was on the other foot there would have been riots in the streets last night.</p>
<p>You have seen our forebearance by any abscence of violence and mayhem. But don&#8217;t you dare ask for anything more.</p>
<p>Now go back to your masters who directed you here and tell them we aren&#8217;t buying their crap.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sam you were&quot;...

If Obama tries to implement taxpayer funded health care, taxpayer funded college and preschool, taxpayer funded work training programs, taxpayer funded energy, taxpayer funded &quot;civilian militia&quot;s, etal all... get the drift?.... the answer to your question is NO.

And if you call taxpayer funded health care, taxpayer funded college and preschool, taxpayer funded work training programs, taxpayer funded energy, taxpayer funded &quot;civilian militia&quot;s, etal all.. anything *but* socialism, then I don&#039;t even know where to start with you.

But it sure ain&#039;t rhetoric and propaganda.  This is stuff from Obama&#039;s own lips.

And by the way... don&#039;t give a flying whit what race did and did not vote for him.  Thank you for pointing out this must be a race about &quot;race&quot;....  let it go, eh?  He could be the red headed step child of Ronald Reagan.  And if he espoused the same BS he did about taxpayer this and that on the campaign trail, I&#039;d still be dead set against his policies.

But then again, he&#039;s lied so much thru the campaign, I personally hold hopes that he&#039;s lied about all that taxpayer this and that too.  That will make me very happy....

good enuf for you?  When he proves is campaign was nothing but lies, I&#039;ll move past his &quot;propaganda&quot; of a Euro-socialist America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Sam you were&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>If Obama tries to implement taxpayer funded health care, taxpayer funded college and preschool, taxpayer funded work training programs, taxpayer funded energy, taxpayer funded &#8220;civilian militia&#8221;s, etal all&#8230; get the drift?&#8230;. the answer to your question is NO.</p>
<p>And if you call taxpayer funded health care, taxpayer funded college and preschool, taxpayer funded work training programs, taxpayer funded energy, taxpayer funded &#8220;civilian militia&#8221;s, etal all.. anything *but* socialism, then I don&#8217;t even know where to start with you.</p>
<p>But it sure ain&#8217;t rhetoric and propaganda.  This is stuff from Obama&#8217;s own lips.</p>
<p>And by the way&#8230; don&#8217;t give a flying whit what race did and did not vote for him.  Thank you for pointing out this must be a race about &#8220;race&#8221;&#8230;.  let it go, eh?  He could be the red headed step child of Ronald Reagan.  And if he espoused the same BS he did about taxpayer this and that on the campaign trail, I&#8217;d still be dead set against his policies.</p>
<p>But then again, he&#8217;s lied so much thru the campaign, I personally hold hopes that he&#8217;s lied about all that taxpayer this and that too.  That will make me very happy&#8230;.</p>
<p>good enuf for you?  When he proves is campaign was nothing but lies, I&#8217;ll move past his &#8220;propaganda&#8221; of a Euro-socialist America.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam I Am</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam I Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was raised in a very conservative Republican home.  I was a Republican until 2003, when I changed my registration to Democrat.  Part of that change came from an intense interest in history.  Last night, we not only elected the first black president, it was done without a majority of white voters.  Astounding numbers of non-whites went to the polls.  Yes, change has come to America.  Seeing a subdued president-elect, whom despite being called everything from a socialist, to having his opponents claim he would ruin America, praised his opponents service.  The crowd at his event cheered the opponent.  The other crowd booed at the mention of the president elect.

If the president-elect can move past the rhetoric and propaganda, can&#039;t we all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I was raised in a very conservative Republican home.  I was a Republican until 2003, when I changed my registration to Democrat.  Part of that change came from an intense interest in history.  Last night, we not only elected the first black president, it was done without a majority of white voters.  Astounding numbers of non-whites went to the polls.  Yes, change has come to America.  Seeing a subdued president-elect, whom despite being called everything from a socialist, to having his opponents claim he would ruin America, praised his opponents service.  The crowd at his event cheered the opponent.  The other crowd booed at the mention of the president elect.</p>
<p>If the president-elect can move past the rhetoric and propaganda, can&#8217;t we all?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while we are op the topic of rebuilding the conservative movement, let&#039;s not mince words and compromise. Alan Keyes has a great post on his site right now - http://www.alankeyes.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>And while we are op the topic of rebuilding the conservative movement, let&#8217;s not mince words and compromise. Alan Keyes has a great post on his site right now &#8211; <a href="http://www.alankeyes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alankeyes.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will add, in response to Trae ... you are right. That&#039;s what democrats have done in the past. We are where we are, the ball is in Obama&#039;s court and I hope he humbles me by the time 2012 comes around. 

But I&#039;m doubtful ... primarily because and I believe that we&#039;ve been robbed by the media ... this was far from a fair race. You cna&#039;t argue that ... nevermind the 4:1 spending. Wasn&#039;t he against it before he was for it? Off to a bad start me thinks.

I also don&#039;t believe in an entitlement society. It breeds less than mediocrity and encourages a life long behavior of needing the state to survive. I live right next door to the &quot;poorest state&quot; in Massachusetts ... and trust me, they live better than the poor in other parts of the world ... by a loooooong shot! It&#039;s not like there isn&#039;t work in this city either, they choose not to work.

I&#039;m not saying not to help those in need, perish the thought! But if welfare in this state wasn&#039;t so attractive, maybe they wouldn&#039;t be hanging out on the sidewalk at 2pm in the afternoon. But when the option of free money is off the table, then maybe a hard day&#039;s work would be respected again.

That said, I&#039;m glad in the respect that we&#039;ve crossed a major point in American history and I congratulate blacks and minorities everywhere. I just wish he wasn&#039;t a socialist who supports the horror of infanticide. It&#039;s too bad you couldn&#039;t get behind a great man like Alan Keyes ... now that would be a man to be proud of. How can you let a born baby die on a table? How?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I will add, in response to Trae &#8230; you are right. That&#8217;s what democrats have done in the past. We are where we are, the ball is in Obama&#8217;s court and I hope he humbles me by the time 2012 comes around. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m doubtful &#8230; primarily because and I believe that we&#8217;ve been robbed by the media &#8230; this was far from a fair race. You cna&#8217;t argue that &#8230; nevermind the 4:1 spending. Wasn&#8217;t he against it before he was for it? Off to a bad start me thinks.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe in an entitlement society. It breeds less than mediocrity and encourages a life long behavior of needing the state to survive. I live right next door to the &#8220;poorest state&#8221; in Massachusetts &#8230; and trust me, they live better than the poor in other parts of the world &#8230; by a loooooong shot! It&#8217;s not like there isn&#8217;t work in this city either, they choose not to work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying not to help those in need, perish the thought! But if welfare in this state wasn&#8217;t so attractive, maybe they wouldn&#8217;t be hanging out on the sidewalk at 2pm in the afternoon. But when the option of free money is off the table, then maybe a hard day&#8217;s work would be respected again.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m glad in the respect that we&#8217;ve crossed a major point in American history and I congratulate blacks and minorities everywhere. I just wish he wasn&#8217;t a socialist who supports the horror of infanticide. It&#8217;s too bad you couldn&#8217;t get behind a great man like Alan Keyes &#8230; now that would be a man to be proud of. How can you let a born baby die on a table? How?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trae: Thanks for your &quot;2 cents.&quot; In Obama&#039;s America two cents will be totally worthless.

As for your comment:
&lt;blockquote&gt; to exclude the possibility of supporting, or at least respecting, the president elect until he is sworn in and actually acts is unhealthy. As is a non-recognition of the manner in which conservative policies have place our country in the current situation that it is in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Coming from people who denied legitimacy to President Bush from the very moment of his election that is quite a statement. 

And as far as &quot;conservative policies&quot; being responsible for what you folks see as the &quot;current situation&quot; I have no idea what you are talking about.

President Bush hasn&#039;t governed as a conservative and certainly the Congress (whether under GOP or Dem control) hasn&#039;t legislated based on conservative principles.

When someone who wanted us to lose this election then comes and tells me that conservatism (or Sarah Palin) is to blame I say CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

However, I do thank you for teaching us a valuable lesson: Your side has shown that blind opposition to the constitutionallay elected government is a successful strategy for overturning that order.

And if we are smart we will use our own version of that strategy over the next four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Trae: Thanks for your &#8220;2 cents.&#8221; In Obama&#8217;s America two cents will be totally worthless.</p>
<p>As for your comment:</p>
<blockquote><p> to exclude the possibility of supporting, or at least respecting, the president elect until he is sworn in and actually acts is unhealthy. As is a non-recognition of the manner in which conservative policies have place our country in the current situation that it is in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Coming from people who denied legitimacy to President Bush from the very moment of his election that is quite a statement. </p>
<p>And as far as &#8220;conservative policies&#8221; being responsible for what you folks see as the &#8220;current situation&#8221; I have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>President Bush hasn&#8217;t governed as a conservative and certainly the Congress (whether under GOP or Dem control) hasn&#8217;t legislated based on conservative principles.</p>
<p>When someone who wanted us to lose this election then comes and tells me that conservatism (or Sarah Palin) is to blame I say CONSIDER THE SOURCE.</p>
<p>However, I do thank you for teaching us a valuable lesson: Your side has shown that blind opposition to the constitutionallay elected government is a successful strategy for overturning that order.</p>
<p>And if we are smart we will use our own version of that strategy over the next four years.</p>
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		<title>By: trae</title>
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		<dc:creator>trae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>condolences to all. as a mid-center democrat, i recognize your anger and the degrees of nonrecognition you find in the &quot;new&quot; America. i felt this way after the 2000 and 2004 election cycles. however, its not the end all. you will regroup, and consolidate your ideas so that they can be presented cogently in 2012 and perhaps redirect the course of the country. however, to exclude the possibility of supporting, or at least respecting, the president elect until he is sworn in and actually acts is unhealthy. As is a non-recognition of the manner in which conservative policies have place our country in the current situation that it is in. Perhaps our war plans were effective, but perhaps the general secrecy and lack of communication with our population had something to do with their failure in the public imagination. Perhaps conservative policies have place us in our current economic standing (the largest economy in the world) but perhaps the disregard for the role of government in creating safe market places has contributed to our economic crisis as well. as a &quot;liberal&quot; i know that the general discomfort in discussing political philosophies and policies with many conservatives rests not in their ideas but in the manner in which it is treated: like a sport in which the other side must be defeated, rather than a conversation in which hopes and dreams for our country can be shared. 
just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>condolences to all. as a mid-center democrat, i recognize your anger and the degrees of nonrecognition you find in the &#8220;new&#8221; America. i felt this way after the 2000 and 2004 election cycles. however, its not the end all. you will regroup, and consolidate your ideas so that they can be presented cogently in 2012 and perhaps redirect the course of the country. however, to exclude the possibility of supporting, or at least respecting, the president elect until he is sworn in and actually acts is unhealthy. As is a non-recognition of the manner in which conservative policies have place our country in the current situation that it is in. Perhaps our war plans were effective, but perhaps the general secrecy and lack of communication with our population had something to do with their failure in the public imagination. Perhaps conservative policies have place us in our current economic standing (the largest economy in the world) but perhaps the disregard for the role of government in creating safe market places has contributed to our economic crisis as well. as a &#8220;liberal&#8221; i know that the general discomfort in discussing political philosophies and policies with many conservatives rests not in their ideas but in the manner in which it is treated: like a sport in which the other side must be defeated, rather than a conversation in which hopes and dreams for our country can be shared.<br />
just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: I agree. &quot;Enemy&quot; is the correct name for it and it goes deeper than just politics. There is a theological aspect to it as well when desciribing the &quot;enemy[who] hides in their TV shows, their video games, their computers and their schools.&quot;

And thanks Moody Deep Thinker. Like Machiavelli above your comment hit the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Greg: I agree. &#8220;Enemy&#8221; is the correct name for it and it goes deeper than just politics. There is a theological aspect to it as well when desciribing the &#8220;enemy[who] hides in their TV shows, their video games, their computers and their schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>And thanks Moody Deep Thinker. Like Machiavelli above your comment hit the nail on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America&#039;s saving grace is that unlike several other countries ... there has always been a (granted) small group of us that are willing to fight to the death rather than concede to a militarized, freedomless state.

I put my hopes and dreams with them, us ... because the majority of Americans have turned to media consuming sheep and we can no longer count on common sense when it comes to them. They know not from where they came and they are clueless as to where they are going.

So teach your children well! Teach them to fight! If you can&#039;t get them out of the system, them make sure you supplement their education and as a parent teach them where we have come from ... because the history books have already been neutered.

And for God&#039;s sake ... unplug them!!!! 

Because the enemy hides in their TV shows, their video games, their computers and their schools. If you don&#039;t make the effort yourself to teach your children, your teenagers ... then we are doomed in 2012 and in 2016 (if democracy even exists by then).

And yes ... I said enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>America&#8217;s saving grace is that unlike several other countries &#8230; there has always been a (granted) small group of us that are willing to fight to the death rather than concede to a militarized, freedomless state.</p>
<p>I put my hopes and dreams with them, us &#8230; because the majority of Americans have turned to media consuming sheep and we can no longer count on common sense when it comes to them. They know not from where they came and they are clueless as to where they are going.</p>
<p>So teach your children well! Teach them to fight! If you can&#8217;t get them out of the system, them make sure you supplement their education and as a parent teach them where we have come from &#8230; because the history books have already been neutered.</p>
<p>And for God&#8217;s sake &#8230; unplug them!!!! </p>
<p>Because the enemy hides in their TV shows, their video games, their computers and their schools. If you don&#8217;t make the effort yourself to teach your children, your teenagers &#8230; then we are doomed in 2012 and in 2016 (if democracy even exists by then).</p>
<p>And yes &#8230; I said enemy.</p>
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