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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/31/the-father-of-lies-reader-post/#comment-126753</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throughout this whole race, Obama hasn&#039;t stuck to any one policy. Nor has he clarified his true positions on any of them. That was a great video, Word - it highlights all the inconsistencies. Obama&#039;s a great speaker, all right - he says what needs to be heard. But once in office, will he stick to his word? Or will he toss it aside just like his word that he would have taken public finance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Throughout this whole race, Obama hasn&#8217;t stuck to any one policy. Nor has he clarified his true positions on any of them. That was a great video, Word &#8211; it highlights all the inconsistencies. Obama&#8217;s a great speaker, all right &#8211; he says what needs to be heard. But once in office, will he stick to his word? Or will he toss it aside just like his word that he would have taken public finance?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Adrean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance Adrean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here ya go Dave Noble...snark all you like.

http://www.citizenslim.com/  &#039;Conspiracy Theory Mix&#039;

footage of Farrakhan scream-preaching to his followers that obama IS the messiah. The media has used too many images that reinforce this notion. 
 
&quot;Them that have eyes, let them see. Them that have ears, let them hear.&quot; The REAL Messiah said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>here ya go Dave Noble&#8230;snark all you like.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.citizenslim.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizenslim.com/</a>  &#8216;Conspiracy Theory Mix&#8217;</p>
<p>footage of Farrakhan scream-preaching to his followers that obama IS the messiah. The media has used too many images that reinforce this notion. </p>
<p>&#8220;Them that have eyes, let them see. Them that have ears, let them hear.&#8221; The REAL Messiah said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right Mike, Obama is not &quot;merely&quot; a run-of-the-mill socialist, his ties to Dorn, Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, etceteras, show him to be more. He may be something much worst, something even socialists consider an abomination, an anarchistic socialist. 

John Bailo;
There is a source that reads much like an Obama speech. In that source, a chapter discusses Jews, Christians, and Muslims as all brothers and that they should be treated accordingly so that together they might combat the forces of the Infidel (i.e. Barbaric paganists). In other sections, it seems to link Jews and Christian with those Infidels. That source is the Koran. There is a technique used by some religious leaders to take segments from various portions of their religious texts out of context, a verse here and a verse there and use it to form a message to support whatever they wish it to mean. The Fundamentalist Extremist Imams who start indoctrinating children from an early age use the same method to paint America as a Satanic Empire. Obama as a child attended Islamic parochial schools in Indonesia. He claims he is Christian, but only he knows for sure. However, his speechs certainly seem to have identical liquidity. His supporters do not hear the contradictions and paradoxes he raises. But it is obvious for those outside of his cult to see. 

Now I intend no insult to Christians, don&#039;t misconstrue what I say next. But admittedly, such practices have also been used effectively in Christian churches by some preachers. I was first introduced to Biblical teachings in a Southern Baptist church and our pastor used to leap all over the place in the Bible. I remember one particular sermon in the late 1960&#039;s where he was trying to get the message across that Rock n&#039;Roll music was the Devil&#039;s tool. This guy was one of those hellfire and brimstone types that saw no problem with asking parishoners to bring their LPs to the next tent revival meeting so they could throw them in the bonfire. I knew nothing of book burnings and such at that age. Sitting on the pew I read the entire chapters from whence he took his verses while the choir sang. I realized the verses he used, when viewed in context, had nothing to do with the message he was trying to convey. I refused to go back to that particular church, but did not give up on the concept of Christianity. I decided not to blindly follow anyone else just because they gave a great oration, but to become a critical listener. Our pastor was in a similar mold as Reverend Wright, though far-right extreme, as opposed to far-left. So I can accept that Obama could be either Muslim or Christian. 

Barry doesn&#039;t give &quot;speeches&quot;, speeches utilize facts. Obama gives sermons, sermons use concepts. That&#039;s why his supporters follow him blindly like cultists. It is a cult, and that&#039;s why many see him as a messianic symbol. They have ceased being supporters and have become disciples. That&#039;s why they don&#039;t care that he ignores facts, conceals his past, and can so easily seduce them into outrageous actions without giving it a second thought. Like the man who lost his mind and beat a woman with the stick she had a McCain-Palin sign. Why posters like David101 are such insufferable moonbats. Why his cultists will risk jail sentences engaging in voter fraud. And why they will riot after this election regardless of whether he wins or looses. 

Obama doesn&#039;t care that should he lose this election, many of his faithful will suffer mental breakdowns and require counseling. To Obama, it&#039;s all about him. And God help us if he wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think you&#8217;re right Mike, Obama is not &#8220;merely&#8221; a run-of-the-mill socialist, his ties to Dorn, Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, etceteras, show him to be more. He may be something much worst, something even socialists consider an abomination, an anarchistic socialist. </p>
<p>John Bailo;<br />
There is a source that reads much like an Obama speech. In that source, a chapter discusses Jews, Christians, and Muslims as all brothers and that they should be treated accordingly so that together they might combat the forces of the Infidel (i.e. Barbaric paganists). In other sections, it seems to link Jews and Christian with those Infidels. That source is the Koran. There is a technique used by some religious leaders to take segments from various portions of their religious texts out of context, a verse here and a verse there and use it to form a message to support whatever they wish it to mean. The Fundamentalist Extremist Imams who start indoctrinating children from an early age use the same method to paint America as a Satanic Empire. Obama as a child attended Islamic parochial schools in Indonesia. He claims he is Christian, but only he knows for sure. However, his speechs certainly seem to have identical liquidity. His supporters do not hear the contradictions and paradoxes he raises. But it is obvious for those outside of his cult to see. </p>
<p>Now I intend no insult to Christians, don&#8217;t misconstrue what I say next. But admittedly, such practices have also been used effectively in Christian churches by some preachers. I was first introduced to Biblical teachings in a Southern Baptist church and our pastor used to leap all over the place in the Bible. I remember one particular sermon in the late 1960&#8242;s where he was trying to get the message across that Rock n&#8217;Roll music was the Devil&#8217;s tool. This guy was one of those hellfire and brimstone types that saw no problem with asking parishoners to bring their LPs to the next tent revival meeting so they could throw them in the bonfire. I knew nothing of book burnings and such at that age. Sitting on the pew I read the entire chapters from whence he took his verses while the choir sang. I realized the verses he used, when viewed in context, had nothing to do with the message he was trying to convey. I refused to go back to that particular church, but did not give up on the concept of Christianity. I decided not to blindly follow anyone else just because they gave a great oration, but to become a critical listener. Our pastor was in a similar mold as Reverend Wright, though far-right extreme, as opposed to far-left. So I can accept that Obama could be either Muslim or Christian. </p>
<p>Barry doesn&#8217;t give &#8220;speeches&#8221;, speeches utilize facts. Obama gives sermons, sermons use concepts. That&#8217;s why his supporters follow him blindly like cultists. It is a cult, and that&#8217;s why many see him as a messianic symbol. They have ceased being supporters and have become disciples. That&#8217;s why they don&#8217;t care that he ignores facts, conceals his past, and can so easily seduce them into outrageous actions without giving it a second thought. Like the man who lost his mind and beat a woman with the stick she had a McCain-Palin sign. Why posters like David101 are such insufferable moonbats. Why his cultists will risk jail sentences engaging in voter fraud. And why they will riot after this election regardless of whether he wins or looses. </p>
<p>Obama doesn&#8217;t care that should he lose this election, many of his faithful will suffer mental breakdowns and require counseling. To Obama, it&#8217;s all about him. And God help us if he wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about all his lying by omission?   Where is his birth certificate?   His records from Harvard?   His medical report?    Lying by omission is worse than straight lying all the time like he does, because lying by omission means that he would not even be able to lie about these things...   Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>And what about all his lying by omission?   Where is his birth certificate?   His records from Harvard?   His medical report?    Lying by omission is worse than straight lying all the time like he does, because lying by omission means that he would not even be able to lie about these things&#8230;   Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;you read the transcripts of his speeches…they make no sense at all!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but it sounds good at the moment... unless the teleprompter breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><i>&#8220;you read the transcripts of his speeches…they make no sense at all!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but it sounds good at the moment&#8230; unless the teleprompter breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama is betting that at least 40 percent of his followers are illiterate because if you read the transcripts of his speeches...they make no sense at all!   He&#039;ll say one thing, then nullify it, and then say something else.   On and on it goes.   I was trying to make sense of one of his early speeches about Saddam Hussein from 2002.   First he says that Saddam is a &quot;butcher&quot; who is killing the Iraqi (and other) people.   Then he says that we had nothing to fear from him.   And he keeps doing that style of back and forth to this day!

He also puts together lots of vapid sentences.   They go like this:   &quot;I say we must cut programs and reduce taxes.  But we must keep what works.   I would keep the programs that we must have.  But I will not increase taxes.  So, I ....&quot;

And so on !!!   It&#039;s beyond being a lie -- it&#039;s just stupid talk!

Please, if you can stand it (and if you want a laugh) read the &quot;speeches&quot; of B&#039;Crock O&#039;Blather.   His way of speaking and stentorian voice, may have most of the people fooled...but not all of them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think Obama is betting that at least 40 percent of his followers are illiterate because if you read the transcripts of his speeches&#8230;they make no sense at all!   He&#8217;ll say one thing, then nullify it, and then say something else.   On and on it goes.   I was trying to make sense of one of his early speeches about Saddam Hussein from 2002.   First he says that Saddam is a &#8220;butcher&#8221; who is killing the Iraqi (and other) people.   Then he says that we had nothing to fear from him.   And he keeps doing that style of back and forth to this day!</p>
<p>He also puts together lots of vapid sentences.   They go like this:   &#8220;I say we must cut programs and reduce taxes.  But we must keep what works.   I would keep the programs that we must have.  But I will not increase taxes.  So, I &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so on !!!   It&#8217;s beyond being a lie &#8212; it&#8217;s just stupid talk!</p>
<p>Please, if you can stand it (and if you want a laugh) read the &#8220;speeches&#8221; of B&#8217;Crock O&#8217;Blather.   His way of speaking and stentorian voice, may have most of the people fooled&#8230;but not all of them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is NOT a socialist?

Come to think of it, Dave Hussein Noble is right.

Obama is far more radical than most socialists. After all, he&#039;s rated more liberal than the Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont.

Obama is a radical whose entire life has been spent in the company of rabid America hating revolutionaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Obama is NOT a socialist?</p>
<p>Come to think of it, Dave Hussein Noble is right.</p>
<p>Obama is far more radical than most socialists. After all, he&#8217;s rated more liberal than the Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont.</p>
<p>Obama is a radical whose entire life has been spent in the company of rabid America hating revolutionaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariel,

Congratulations!  You have won forever (because no one can beat you now) the over-the-top ODS award.  Obama is not simply a Muslim, or a terrorist, or a socialist, or a communist, or Hilter (thank you, Skye), or even an alien, as I satirically suggested -- He is Satan Incarnate, the Father of Lies, the Epitome of Evil, the Adversary (that is what &quot;satan&quot; means in Hebrew), the Enemy.

Damn girl, you kick ass!!!!

If that bastard gets elected, we won&#039;t need an Inauguration, we&#039;re gonna need an Exorcism.
You betcha!!

Wordsmith, 

Thank you for the nuanced discussion of Muslim theology.  Seriously, it was refreshing.  Unfortunately, following Ariel&#039;s nuclear bombast (or is that bomb blast) it gets &quot;lost in the sauce.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ariel,</p>
<p>Congratulations!  You have won forever (because no one can beat you now) the over-the-top ODS award.  Obama is not simply a Muslim, or a terrorist, or a socialist, or a communist, or Hilter (thank you, Skye), or even an alien, as I satirically suggested &#8212; He is Satan Incarnate, the Father of Lies, the Epitome of Evil, the Adversary (that is what &#8220;satan&#8221; means in Hebrew), the Enemy.</p>
<p>Damn girl, you kick ass!!!!</p>
<p>If that bastard gets elected, we won&#8217;t need an Inauguration, we&#8217;re gonna need an Exorcism.<br />
You betcha!!</p>
<p>Wordsmith, </p>
<p>Thank you for the nuanced discussion of Muslim theology.  Seriously, it was refreshing.  Unfortunately, following Ariel&#8217;s nuclear bombast (or is that bomb blast) it gets &#8220;lost in the sauce.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Remember that his Muslim upbringing allows Obama to lie to Infidels but not to Islam believers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Adrian,

Respectfully?  I think tying Senator Obama to whatever Muslim schooling he received when he was very young (4 years in Indonesia living in a secular household), is a stretch, politically.  And I think the concept of taqiyya, unless I&#039;ve just been brainwashed by PC interpretation, is overblown and has become somewhat of a Muslim caricaturization and mischaracterization of what seems to be primarily a shia practice.


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 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/obama_scores_as_an_exotic_who.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s appeal&lt;/a&gt; comes not from the things he says, but from who is saying them. He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials in the flat tones you&#039;d expect from any son of the prairie.

Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.

Listen to Obama:

&quot;There&#039;s not a liberal America and a conservative America, there is the United States of America.&quot; These unremarkable words, spoken at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, set off wild applause.

And here is the similar quote that got hearts thumping in New Hampshire: &quot;We&#039;ve got a series of very important decisions to make, and we have the opportunity to make them, not as Democrats, not as Republicans, but as Americans. And it&#039;s that promise that I&#039;m most excited about.&quot;

Obama likes to say things like, &quot;We can do better,&quot; and, &quot;America is ready for a new set of challenges.&quot; He is all for &quot;a spiritual recovery.&quot;

The senator dislikes the &quot;either-or&quot; type of debate and warns against &quot;false choices.&quot; He&#039;s not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white.

Obama is humble in all the right places. Before a thousand swooning fans in New Hampshire, he says, Evita-like: &quot;This isn&#039;t about me. This is about you.&quot; One gets the impression from his public appearances and book, &quot;The Audacity of Hope,&quot; that he doesn&#039;t even get a haircut without first consulting his wife.

What Obama really thinks should be done about health care and the terrorist threat remain secrets that his book does not unlock. His two years in the Senate certainly haven&#039;t revealed any bold policy ideas.

This leave-them-guessing strategy slips out in the book&#039;s prologue. &quot;I serve as a blank screen,&quot; Obama writes, &quot;on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.&quot; He notifies readers that &quot;my treatment of the issues is often partial and incomplete.&quot; It takes some doing for a politician to write a 364-page book, his second volume, and skate past all controversy. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>Remember that his Muslim upbringing allows Obama to lie to Infidels but not to Islam believers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>Respectfully?  I think tying Senator Obama to whatever Muslim schooling he received when he was very young (4 years in Indonesia living in a secular household), is a stretch, politically.  And I think the concept of taqiyya, unless I&#8217;ve just been brainwashed by PC interpretation, is overblown and has become somewhat of a Muslim caricaturization and mischaracterization of what seems to be primarily a shia practice.</p>
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<p> <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/obama_scores_as_an_exotic_who.html" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s appeal</a> comes not from the things he says, but from who is saying them. He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials in the flat tones you&#8217;d expect from any son of the prairie.</p>
<p>Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.</p>
<p>Listen to Obama:</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s not a liberal America and a conservative America, there is the United States of America.&#8221; These unremarkable words, spoken at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, set off wild applause.</p>
<p>And here is the similar quote that got hearts thumping in New Hampshire: &#8220;We&#8217;ve got a series of very important decisions to make, and we have the opportunity to make them, not as Democrats, not as Republicans, but as Americans. And it&#8217;s that promise that I&#8217;m most excited about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama likes to say things like, &#8220;We can do better,&#8221; and, &#8220;America is ready for a new set of challenges.&#8221; He is all for &#8220;a spiritual recovery.&#8221;</p>
<p>The senator dislikes the &#8220;either-or&#8221; type of debate and warns against &#8220;false choices.&#8221; He&#8217;s not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white.</p>
<p>Obama is humble in all the right places. Before a thousand swooning fans in New Hampshire, he says, Evita-like: &#8220;This isn&#8217;t about me. This is about you.&#8221; One gets the impression from his public appearances and book, &#8220;The Audacity of Hope,&#8221; that he doesn&#8217;t even get a haircut without first consulting his wife.</p>
<p>What Obama really thinks should be done about health care and the terrorist threat remain secrets that his book does not unlock. His two years in the Senate certainly haven&#8217;t revealed any bold policy ideas.</p>
<p>This leave-them-guessing strategy slips out in the book&#8217;s prologue. &#8220;I serve as a blank screen,&#8221; Obama writes, &#8220;on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.&#8221; He notifies readers that &#8220;my treatment of the issues is often partial and incomplete.&#8221; It takes some doing for a politician to write a 364-page book, his second volume, and skate past all controversy. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not lying. He so poorly researches things that he doesn&#039;t know the truth. Pure ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>He&#8217;s not lying. He so poorly researches things that he doesn&#8217;t know the truth. Pure ignorance.</p>
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