Comments on: Sweat Equity http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sweat-equity Sat, 26 May 2012 03:55:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: MataHarley http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123296 MataHarley Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:43:12 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123296 Lead said... (oooo... I made a rhyme! That should give me a BA at any local higher educational facility, eh?) <blockquote>Fiscal conservative/ social moderate- independent for Obama here. </blockquote> And a fiscal conservative/social moderate-independent-registered-as-a GOP-to-have-*some*-say-in-a-primary for *McCain* here. I reiterate this to note that we are not all that far apart as a start, Lead. <blockquote>Does anyone at all here have a reason to vote for McCain that is not based on <i>"something you believe about Obama, "</i>and is not based on something you believe about your religion or religion in general? If so, could you articulate it?</blockquote> So is that the "out" your looking for? the "something you believe about Obama" bit? And is that a set up that what *you* believe about Obama is somehow gospel over what I believe about Obama? Ok... got that out of the way. You wanted articulation. First of all, nothing about any candidate has to do with religion for me. Nuff said there. I will also add race.... Obama could be the fair skinned, red-headed step child of Reagan, for all I care. My opinion of him would remain the same. Now let's move on to the "articulation". And I will clarify right from the start my vote is not as much for McCain as it is against Obama. More on that later. Obama's own articulated policies are too government intensive/dominated/fueled/implemented/funded for my personal tastes. If you'll notice, Obama's every solution for every problem has to do with "government". Since I am a federal minimalist, the proposals he campaigns on turns my blood to ice. I am not for universal health care. I was not, and still am not, for the government "bailouts" I am not not for an educational policy for preschoolers on up that revolve around "social and economic justice" I am not for an energy policy with no crossover bridge to alternatives. Oil will always be a necessity for US exports, as they are petroleum based. Obama's promise to be oil independent is but a pipe dream if he will not supply what we need for our manufacturing needs. He speaks in platitudes and simplicity... but what he means is fuel indepence only. And even that, I see tech improbabilities. His proposed "job creation" is predominately government jobs. He refuses to cut back spending on any of his campaign agenda of energy, education, health care whatever. The man has proven to me that he can raise and spend money with the best of them. However his large expenditures produce medicocre results and failed endeavors... i.e. CAC. Add to that his own campaign. For outspending McCain 4:1, he's still just a couple of points away. At least McCain campaigns on a more efficient budget. Musta been expensive Greek columns... dunno. The man's record and his words bear no relation to reality. He can say he's not a socialist from here to forever. However he surrounds himself with affirmative action/Black Theology fundamentalists... then discards them when they become a drag. Ayers is an overt socialist/Marxist using education to accomplish "change" in the US. The newbie, Obama, was drafted specifically to help Ayers distribute the CAC cash towards that very agenda. BTW only $50K went to schools, and the rest of the $160K went to political campaigns for agenda friendly candidates. Kewl.... NOT He, like other pols, is nothing more than an opportunist, spending more cash for political reasons than the "cause" of common man. His economic plans from energy to education will drive up the nat'l debt worse than McCains. Under an Obama, I fully see the dollar devaluation... which will hit us hard on that oil he doesn't want to extract, raising brl prices and domino'ing into every daily need for Joe/Jo citizen. Obama's rise to power and campaign methods thru his brief history are highly suspect. No local offices... straight to the IL Senate (not even House...). How? Lawyers systematically did a "hit job" on every competitor. Interesting.... But then, it's Chicago. From the IL Senate to the US Senate... not even House. Based on a palty record in IL to boot. The boy has got to be seriously bankrolled behind the scenes for this to happen. 143 days in the Senate, and he's off, campaigning for leader of the free world. Based on what... another notable record? Nope. Uh uh... We're talking a market job with a bow here. Talk about a pig without lipstick, disguised as a pedigree dog.... There is nothing in this man's background that gives me an iota of confidence in his executive administration experience. He's never run his own business. he doesn't run his own campaign. But then... I'm not a fan of electing Congressional representatives to the WH. Nor is the rest of the country historically... but then, we don't have anything but to choose from in the top of the ticket choices. Bummer. <center><b>~~~</b></center> Dang.... I could do this all day. But let's turn to McCain. Truth is, he's not conservative enough in domestic policy for me. But then, he's more conservative than Obama. To paraphrase Rummie.... we go to the ballot with the candidates we have, not the candidates we *wished* we had. If both candidates were equally repulsive to me, I'd vote 3rd party and my conscience, and ta hell with it. But both are *not* equally reprehensive, IMHO. Foreign policy. As a Commander in Chief, I have far more faith in McCain than Obama. if there is a place he is miles ahead of Obama, it's the understanding of military strategy of a theatre, and not a battle ground. If there are men McCain to relate to, it is the military. "Mark my words".... what Biden is telling you about your guy, Lead, is that within 6 months, Obama will behave just as Bush in the world battle against Islamic jihad. Or Obama will be worse, and instigate war with quasi-allies Pakistan or Russia. He's already promising to escalate Afghanistan... a fact lost on the Obama faithful. So you are warned. What you are buying is a cheap Lenin'esque version of Bush. And slowly, Obama is realizing reality thru Presidential briefings. But he will not tell you this before he cinches the vote. Pocket that reality. It will come back to haunt your daytime nightmares. McCain? He already knows. Because he's an ol' dude with scars to prove it. To me, the federal governments *prime* purpose is the secure our shores and manage our military. Obama has been, IMHO, wrong on every... and yes I mean *every*... foreign policy assessment since his IL and fed Congressional days.... even tho he doesn't think so. And oh, BTW... he's more arrogant that Bush could dream to be. Can you say "surge"? McCain's not a "Miss Congeniality" kind of guy. Obama, like Clinton, is a finger in the wind kind-o-guy. He threw over his pastor and sundry contacts because of a backlash in polls and support. "Spine of steel"?? Only in Biden's dreams. He will be a puppet to Pelos/Reid for the duration because... frankly... he's nothing more than a shooting star mouthpiece. I *like* Palin. And I especially like that Palin and McCain do *not* agree on many issues. I believe she will be a healthy influence. McCain's economics are a slight improvement over Obama's. Not much, mind you. But again, I believe McCain demonstrates less arrogance, and more ability to consider alternatives. Obama sways from nothing because it reflects badly on him. And both need some significant swaying on their economic policies. Also, McCain's "cures" are not all founded in "government"... Obama's answer to everything. Lastly, I'll take Palin as 2nd in command over Biden any day of the week, minute of the day. The thought of ol' slow Joe in the Oval Office makes me think Carter and Ford might step up out of their competition for the bottom slot of useless POTUS's in history.

Lead said… (oooo… I made a rhyme! That should give me a BA at any local higher educational facility, eh?)

Fiscal conservative/ social moderate- independent for Obama here.

And a fiscal conservative/social moderate-independent-registered-as-a GOP-to-have-*some*-say-in-a-primary for *McCain* here. I reiterate this to note that we are not all that far apart as a start, Lead.

Does anyone at all here have a reason to vote for McCain that is not based on “something you believe about Obama, “and is not based on something you believe about your religion or religion in general? If so, could you articulate it?

So is that the “out” your looking for? the “something you believe about Obama” bit? And is that a set up that what *you* believe about Obama is somehow gospel over what I believe about Obama?

Ok… got that out of the way. You wanted articulation.

First of all, nothing about any candidate has to do with religion for me. Nuff said there. I will also add race…. Obama could be the fair skinned, red-headed step child of Reagan, for all I care. My opinion of him would remain the same.

Now let’s move on to the “articulation”. And I will clarify right from the start my vote is not as much for McCain as it is against Obama. More on that later.

Obama’s own articulated policies are too government intensive/dominated/fueled/implemented/funded for my personal tastes. If you’ll notice, Obama’s every solution for every problem has to do with “government”. Since I am a federal minimalist, the proposals he campaigns on turns my blood to ice.

I am not for universal health care.

I was not, and still am not, for the government “bailouts”

I am not not for an educational policy for preschoolers on up that revolve around “social and economic justice”

I am not for an energy policy with no crossover bridge to alternatives. Oil will always be a necessity for US exports, as they are petroleum based. Obama’s promise to be oil independent is but a pipe dream if he will not supply what we need for our manufacturing needs. He speaks in platitudes and simplicity… but what he means is fuel indepence only. And even that, I see tech improbabilities.

His proposed “job creation” is predominately government jobs.

He refuses to cut back spending on any of his campaign agenda of energy, education, health care whatever.

The man has proven to me that he can raise and spend money with the best of them. However his large expenditures produce medicocre results and failed endeavors… i.e. CAC. Add to that his own campaign. For outspending McCain 4:1, he’s still just a couple of points away. At least McCain campaigns on a more efficient budget. Musta been expensive Greek columns… dunno.

The man’s record and his words bear no relation to reality.

He can say he’s not a socialist from here to forever. However he surrounds himself with affirmative action/Black Theology fundamentalists… then discards them when they become a drag.

Ayers is an overt socialist/Marxist using education to accomplish “change” in the US. The newbie, Obama, was drafted specifically to help Ayers distribute the CAC cash towards that very agenda. BTW only $50K went to schools, and the rest of the $160K went to political campaigns for agenda friendly candidates. Kewl…. NOT He, like other pols, is nothing more than an opportunist, spending more cash for political reasons than the “cause” of common man.

His economic plans from energy to education will drive up the nat’l debt worse than McCains. Under an Obama, I fully see the dollar devaluation… which will hit us hard on that oil he doesn’t want to extract, raising brl prices and domino’ing into every daily need for Joe/Jo citizen.

Obama’s rise to power and campaign methods thru his brief history are highly suspect. No local offices… straight to the IL Senate (not even House…). How? Lawyers systematically did a “hit job” on every competitor. Interesting…. But then, it’s Chicago.

From the IL Senate to the US Senate… not even House. Based on a palty record in IL to boot. The boy has got to be seriously bankrolled behind the scenes for this to happen.

143 days in the Senate, and he’s off, campaigning for leader of the free world. Based on what… another notable record? Nope. Uh uh… We’re talking a market job with a bow here. Talk about a pig without lipstick, disguised as a pedigree dog….

There is nothing in this man’s background that gives me an iota of confidence in his executive administration experience. He’s never run his own business. he doesn’t run his own campaign. But then… I’m not a fan of electing Congressional representatives to the WH. Nor is the rest of the country historically… but then, we don’t have anything but to choose from in the top of the ticket choices. Bummer.

~~~

Dang…. I could do this all day. But let’s turn to McCain.

Truth is, he’s not conservative enough in domestic policy for me. But then, he’s more conservative than Obama. To paraphrase Rummie…. we go to the ballot with the candidates we have, not the candidates we *wished* we had. If both candidates were equally repulsive to me, I’d vote 3rd party and my conscience, and ta hell with it.

But both are *not* equally reprehensive, IMHO.

Foreign policy. As a Commander in Chief, I have far more faith in McCain than Obama. if there is a place he is miles ahead of Obama, it’s the understanding of military strategy of a theatre, and not a battle ground. If there are men McCain to relate to, it is the military. “Mark my words”…. what Biden is telling you about your guy, Lead, is that within 6 months, Obama will behave just as Bush in the world battle against Islamic jihad. Or Obama will be worse, and instigate war with quasi-allies Pakistan or Russia. He’s already promising to escalate Afghanistan… a fact lost on the Obama faithful.

So you are warned. What you are buying is a cheap Lenin’esque version of Bush. And slowly, Obama is realizing reality thru Presidential briefings. But he will not tell you this before he cinches the vote. Pocket that reality. It will come back to haunt your daytime nightmares. McCain? He already knows. Because he’s an ol’ dude with scars to prove it.

To me, the federal governments *prime* purpose is the secure our shores and manage our military. Obama has been, IMHO, wrong on every… and yes I mean *every*… foreign policy assessment since his IL and fed Congressional days…. even tho he doesn’t think so. And oh, BTW… he’s more arrogant that Bush could dream to be. Can you say “surge”?

McCain’s not a “Miss Congeniality” kind of guy. Obama, like Clinton, is a finger in the wind kind-o-guy. He threw over his pastor and sundry contacts because of a backlash in polls and support. “Spine of steel”?? Only in Biden’s dreams. He will be a puppet to Pelos/Reid for the duration because… frankly… he’s nothing more than a shooting star mouthpiece.

I *like* Palin. And I especially like that Palin and McCain do *not* agree on many issues. I believe she will be a healthy influence.

McCain’s economics are a slight improvement over Obama’s. Not much, mind you. But again, I believe McCain demonstrates less arrogance, and more ability to consider alternatives. Obama sways from nothing because it reflects badly on him. And both need some significant swaying on their economic policies. Also, McCain’s “cures” are not all founded in “government”… Obama’s answer to everything.

Lastly, I’ll take Palin as 2nd in command over Biden any day of the week, minute of the day. The thought of ol’ slow Joe in the Oval Office makes me think Carter and Ford might step up out of their competition for the bottom slot of useless POTUS’s in history.

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]]> By: Craig http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123295 Craig Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:43:07 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123295 Sorry Liam, I had just read your first comment when I wrote mine. Then the phone rang, and I forgot to send it. When I finally posted it, I didn't read the rest of the comments after yours. Sorry! P.S.: But I guess my comment is still good. All you have to do is change the name LIAM to Fit Fit, Real American Hater or Doug... lol

Sorry Liam,

I had just read your first comment when I wrote mine. Then the phone rang, and I forgot to send it. When I finally posted it, I didn’t read the rest of the comments after yours. Sorry!

P.S.: But I guess my comment is still good. All you have to do is change the name LIAM to Fit Fit, Real American Hater or Doug… lol

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]]> By: ChrisG http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123251 ChrisG Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:45:30 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123251 Liam, That is why I am not looking forward to the "education" my kids will get in public schools. The "we are the children" song and the "thought criminal" accusations of the child from "1984" looks disturbingly like Obama's and Ayer's views of education's 'true' purpose acording to the left. If left to the "care" of the leftists, my kids will not be able to read and write, but they will be able to spout leftist ideas and spew leftist hate. Now I know why my Vietnam Vet parents litteraly debriefed me every night after school in the 70s-80s. "Education" (indoctrination) by the pseudo-"intellectuals" of the left has only gotten worse.

Liam,

That is why I am not looking forward to the “education” my kids will get in public schools. The “we are the children” song and the “thought criminal” accusations of the child from “1984″ looks disturbingly like Obama’s and Ayer’s views of education’s ‘true’ purpose acording to the left.

If left to the “care” of the leftists, my kids will not be able to read and write, but they will be able to spout leftist ideas and spew leftist hate. Now I know why my Vietnam Vet parents litteraly debriefed me every night after school in the 70s-80s. “Education” (indoctrination) by the pseudo-”intellectuals” of the left has only gotten worse.

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]]> By: liam http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123246 liam Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:34:02 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123246 I second that Custer! I hate to post again and be annoying, but ChrisG, man I have to give you some real credit for your original post. For some reason I missed most of it when I replied. I was going to let the comments go for a while, but then I saw everyone starting to light the torches and sharpening the pitch forks. I too got my B.S. through a state school and hated how liberal it was. Hard to believe that most Universities started as Christian institutions...

I second that Custer!

I hate to post again and be annoying, but ChrisG, man I have to give you some real credit for your original post. For some reason I missed most of it when I replied. I was going to let the comments go for a while, but then I saw everyone starting to light the torches and sharpening the pitch forks. I too got my B.S. through a state school and hated how liberal it was. Hard to believe that most Universities started as Christian institutions…

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]]> By: Leah http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123245 Leah Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:33:04 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123245 @<a href="#comment-123235" rel="nofollow">Craig</a>: Heh...Craig, liam was joking. It's all good. @<a href="#comment-123239" rel="nofollow">Custer</a>: Hear hear? =)

@Craig: Heh…Craig, liam was joking. It’s all good.

@Custer: Hear hear? =)

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]]> By: ChrisG http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123242 ChrisG Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:29:26 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123242 Craig, Liam's first post was sarcasm. Do not worry, it got all of us because it was so close to true leftist positions and diatrabe.

Craig,

Liam’s first post was sarcasm. Do not worry, it got all of us because it was so close to true leftist positions and diatrabe.

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]]> By: Custer http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123239 Custer Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:14:08 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123239 :) I hate trolls. Sorry for the use of words like "@$$hat" my early posts compared to my new ones are very different. Just starting to get angry. I'll refrain from vulgar language from now on. I agree, the articles here are amazing. I offer a cheer to our authors and dedicated posters for the comments and ideas they bring, even if i myself do over simplify things a bit :)

:) I hate trolls. Sorry for the use of words like “@$$hat” my early posts compared to my new ones are very different. Just starting to get angry. I’ll refrain from vulgar language from now on.

I agree, the articles here are amazing. I offer a cheer to our authors and dedicated posters for the comments and ideas they bring, even if i myself do over simplify things a bit :)

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]]> By: liam http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123237 liam Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:11:04 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123237 ChrisG, reading back, I just saw you caught the Marxist line. Well, done. There are some extremely smart people on this blog. I can't really name anyone that regularly posts here that would be considered a dummy. Minus the @$$hats as Custer mentions (and no, not people that disagree with me). The reason why I subscribed to this blog is because of the great articles and amazing insight everyone comes with.

ChrisG, reading back, I just saw you caught the Marxist line. Well, done. There are some extremely smart people on this blog. I can’t really name anyone that regularly posts here that would be considered a dummy. Minus the @$$hats as Custer mentions (and no, not people that disagree with me). The reason why I subscribed to this blog is because of the great articles and amazing insight everyone comes with.

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]]> By: Craig http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123235 Craig Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:07:42 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123235 After reading Liam's comment, I have one task for McCain/Palin when they will be in the White House. The first thing they should do is to clean up the educational system and get rid of all the leftist teachers that promote socialism. Socialism and communism has to be removed from schools and colleges immediately. This is how they indoctrinate a whole generation of youth, like they did with Liam. That has got to stop right now. It is the first step to take, even before fixing the economy. Get rid of teachers like Ayers and Obama who are out there to ruin your country and turn it to communism by contaminating student vulnerable minds. If this is not done right away... forget about America, it will die and become Cuba. I am not kidding. Go get these criminal teachers, kick them out of schools and colleges. I feel so sorry for you Liam. You are just another victim of leftist teachers. Too bad you can not think by yourself. Just to think that there are so many others Liam out there, is really frightening and freeking.

After reading Liam’s comment, I have one task for McCain/Palin when they will be in the White House.

The first thing they should do is to clean up the educational system and get rid of all the leftist teachers that promote socialism. Socialism and communism has to be removed from schools and colleges immediately. This is how they indoctrinate a whole generation of youth, like they did with Liam. That has got to stop right now. It is the first step to take, even before fixing the economy. Get rid of teachers like Ayers and Obama who are out there to ruin your country and turn it to communism by contaminating student vulnerable minds. If this is not done right away… forget about America, it will die and become Cuba. I am not kidding. Go get these criminal teachers, kick them out of schools and colleges.

I feel so sorry for you Liam. You are just another victim of leftist teachers. Too bad you can not think by yourself. Just to think that there are so many others Liam out there, is really frightening and freeking.

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]]> By: Custer http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/22/sweat-equity/comment-page-1/#comment-123233 Custer Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:02 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=11037#comment-123233 No Lead, lets see you do that same, not based on something you believe about McCain :)

No Lead, lets see you do that same, not based on something you believe about McCain :)

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