@datdude92: Autentic???? How can it be authentic if it is false history. The Greeks were never taught by Egyptians. That is a false statement and if any historian say that, they shouldnot be allowed to teach. the Jews and Christians were the ones that taught at the University of Alexandria, and the Egyptian Muslims were the ones that burnt it to the gound.

And some Nubians may have helped with the beginnings oft he Pyramids, and they built them before the Egyptians, but the Egyptians were the ones that perfected the Pyramids.

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it’s amazing. We teach leaders of business to read chinese Art of war, or to to take a japanese approach in employee engagement, but that is not anti-american. We teach black kids history that honestly reflects them and their american history and it’s anti-american.

What these kids are learning is the true history of america which is both beautiful and horrific. they are learning that they are americans just as any if not more than in one else in this coutry. they are also learning how to see america auhtenically.

Let’s be honest, intergration was never about the people it was about the economics. whites could and would frequent black establishments. taking their funds up to harlem. While blacks could only spend their money in their own neighborhoods. The segragated trade balance was off. Intergration did more to destablize the black community in the US, then Jim Crow. If blacks could of had fairness under the law and right to vote and right not to be terrorized , have equal education funding we would be segergrated today.. which was a pro-american stance 40 years ago.

Just because a black child is taught africans built the pyriamids and the greeks were educted by africans from the university of Alexandria in egypt doesn’t make them radical, it realy makes the authentic.

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voter #84:

we are so arrogant that we don’t respect other ways of life.

Erika, I do see some of the arrogance you speak of. And Chris and Erika, I also believe in the veracity of your statement that “America is the greatest nation” (a sentiment expressed by both of you).

Some might read that as arrogance. What I read it as, is an expression of love and patriotism for one’s country (set aside for a moment, the fact that, by any objective criteria and scientific standard of measurement, is also true ).

If a Canadian or a Frenchman, a Brit, a Brazilian expressed the same sentiment about their home, where they come from, I really wouldn’t expect any less and can have admiration for a person who shows love, pride, and loyalty to the place that nurtured him. It’s empathy. It’s like someone saying to me, “I have the greatest family on earth”, or “I have the best mom”. There’s nothing to argue against. Just accept the statement and smile, knowing that we each feel the same way about our families (unless you belong to a dysfunctional one…in which case you wouldn’t be saying it, now would you?).

Erika #84:

To the genocide on the American Natives,

Erika,

What happened to Native Americans with the arrival of Europeans to the New World, was horrible. (I wonder who they themselves might have possibly displaced?) But I would hesitate labeling what occurred as “genocide”.

for hundreds of years majority of the countries economy and progress was on the backs of an enslaved race. Yes before you jump down my throat and say we made that all better by fighting to free the slaves, remember not all of America fought to free them. It was a civil war, there were a fair number of Americans that did not want to have freedom for all.

The Indian population by the end of the 19th century amounted to about a quarter million. What decimated their population- about 75 to 90%- wasn’t violence at the hands of white imperialists, but contagious diseases for which they had no immunity. In some cases, entire tribes were wiped out. Were white Europeans responsible for bringing most of these diseases? Yes. Was it their intent to slaughter the Native American Indians through contagious diseases? No. So “genocide”, I feel, is an inappropriate and inaccurate description, just as it would be true to charge white settlers and colonialists with waging “biological wafare”.

I also reject the romanticizing of Native Americans as a whole, as somehow being eco-friendly environmentalists and peacenik “noble savages” who never engaged in warfare, brutality, and atrocities, unprovoked. Torturing prisoners was a regular practice in Indian cultures. (But lets not judge, but remain respectful).

Did we also engage in torture? Yes. Neither side is exempt of the moral high ground. Did Indians have legitimate grievances to do what they did to white settlers? Yes, of course. But their savagery is also independent from what was done unto them. On a moral scale, I don’t see them as being any more noble than us; they just happened to be on the losing side of history’s momentum. Even back then, we had a conscience (good people like yourself), and there were outcries and shame regarding our conduct and what was happening to the Indians.

Shameful acts of brutality and warfare? Yes. Genocide carried out as official policy of the U.S. government (or colonial government)? No.

I know you are focusing only on American history, and only brought this up in passing, but delivered in the context of world history- and not to excuse it nor minimize the travesty, but to contextualize it against the framework of human history- what happened to Native Americans happened on 6 other continents from the beginning of man’s history: Shifting populations, displacements, cruelty, invasion and conquests. Not unique to American history.

I think the overall nobility of our American ancestors speaks for itself. Otherwise, we would not be who we are today, if our compassion and civility didn’t mature from our past. It had to begin somewhere.

for hundreds of years majority of the countries economy and progress was on the backs of an enslaved race.

Well….I’ve risked coming across as an apologist for atrocities against Native Americans…..why stop there?

Slavery in any shape or form: Wrong. Bad. Despicable. Evil. That said….

The institution of slave labor did not make us a wealthy nation. The states that enjoyed the greatest prosperity were those that were among the first to free their slaves.

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@Wordsmith #116

Word,

Even worse is the fact CNN-International makes the US version of CNN look non-partisan and actually interested in facts. CNN-I was the one who made up a story about my death 2 blocks from me in Iraq. Plain as day and with a smile on their faces. Most of their “reporting” read frighteningly close to “1984″s ‘Ministry of Truth’.

Unfortunately, that is what the world gets to see about the US: Far left education/indoctrination, re-enforced by far left propaganda and outright lies. This adds to the anti-US sentiment of an “upstart” nation that dares to think itself worthy of its ‘betters’. But if they do not get their foreign aid, food, and US Military aid…. all hell breaks loose.

Not surprisingly, nations which were enslaved under the USSR think differently. And to some others who read this and mis-understand, No, I do not think the US is better than everyone else… we ARE everyone else demographically. But Yes, having been around the world, I think the USA, overall, is better than many others and much better than all of our foes.

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OMG, Erika! You’re becoming a community addict, girl! LOL

BTW, the “links” work just like the b-quote. You can type the text you want to read… in other words, it doesn’t have to be the URL… then highlight those words and click on the “ext link”.

Now.. I know you got your facts from HuffPo or other liberal tabloid site. Only they can pass off a “no vote” as “a vote. (In fact, I have your “think progress” link archived under my research on this “old” subject on McCain)

But, if you’ll notice what I specifically said in my post on this legislation

It was referred to the Senate Judicial Committee (Leahy chair), but Reid tried force a premature end to the debate (cloture) about amending the bill and force a vote. McCain wasn’t present for this cloture/procedural vote. But, if present, would have voted no to ending the debate.

Remember that this is a NO to more debate… not to the bill. And yes, as the bill was structured with infinite potential class action suits and without amendment, he would have voted nay. It’s nothing but a trial attorney’s dream otherwise.

There’s your “voted no against equal pay for women” claim…. Not much substance to it, eh? First fact, he wasn’t there to vote.

So you see, I already covered your response in advance. But I love that you are not only playing with the formatting, but back checking your own opinions. *very* good sign.

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I had another link, it did’t post, have patience with me I’m a newbie.

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@MataHarley: Okay, so I’m back. I just wanted to respond to your post, when you said McCain was a no vote. McCain said in the last debate, a no vote is a vote against. And, he has spoken out against the bill.
also here, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/mccain-opposes-equal-pay-_n_98342.html

Just to let you know where I got my thoughts, or should I say “facts”.

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stix #111:

I am getting sick and tired of everyone talking down about the USA.

It’s amazing how people- even non-Americans (like they’ve received their knowledge of American history from Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky text books, as well) will blast away at America’s past, as if we hold a unique place in the annals of racism and slavery; and without ever crediting us and Britain in our “uniqueness” at fighting against the institution of slavery and bringing the slave trade to an end.

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It is always weird that a candidate campaigns on something, and his campaign staff performs exactly the opposite.

Al Franken comes to mind, since he’s now campaigning. He’d criticize corporations for not hiring more minority workers; and yet he himself, after conducting hundreds of interviews, ended up hiring 14 people, all white.

Just stfu, already, you angry little man.

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LOL! Another case of “do as I say, and not as I do”, don’t you think, Word “da man”?

It is always weird that a candidate campaigns on something, and his campaign staff performs exactly the opposite.

Then again, isn’t this a case of “judgment”???

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