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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris G,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess you do not watch Fox much then. Unlike CNN they usually have opposing sides on the air.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 I guess you do not watch anything but FOX then. Even MSNBC puts opposing sides on all the time.  CNN did almost all the convention coverage with opposition commentary. I watched CSPAN.  I guess you do not watch anything but FOX then.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And Alan Combs is what?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

An idiot.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry, your distortions and slavish adherence to the failed doctrines of socialism are sad.

But I expect nothing less from you than the useful idiotness I see here. Your masters expect nothing less either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t assume that because of the harshness of my criticisms, I&#039;m coming from a extreme position myself. By mainstream standards, I&#039;m pretty moderate.  Michael Bloomberg would probablly be the politician closest to my political ideology.  Socially tolerant, pro-business (which is different than fiscally consevative, fiscally conservative is an oxymoron these days) and  more hawkish than doveish when it comes to national security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Chris G,</p>
<blockquote><p>I guess you do not watch Fox much then. Unlike CNN they usually have opposing sides on the air.</p></blockquote>
<p> I guess you do not watch anything but FOX then. Even MSNBC puts opposing sides on all the time.  CNN did almost all the convention coverage with opposition commentary. I watched CSPAN.  I guess you do not watch anything but FOX then.</p>
<blockquote><p>And Alan Combs is what?</p></blockquote>
<p>An idiot.</p>
<blockquote><p>Sorry, your distortions and slavish adherence to the failed doctrines of socialism are sad.</p>
<p>But I expect nothing less from you than the useful idiotness I see here. Your masters expect nothing less either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t assume that because of the harshness of my criticisms, I&#8217;m coming from a extreme position myself. By mainstream standards, I&#8217;m pretty moderate.  Michael Bloomberg would probablly be the politician closest to my political ideology.  Socially tolerant, pro-business (which is different than fiscally consevative, fiscally conservative is an oxymoron these days) and  more hawkish than doveish when it comes to national security.</p>
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		<title>By: Video-CNN&#8217;s fuzzy math &#171; The Daley Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Video-CNN&#8217;s fuzzy math &#171; The Daley Gator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Video-CNN&#8217;s fuzzy&#160;math  OK watch the video, and note that about the same number of people think Sarah Palin won the debate, as think Joe Biden won. Yet, the CNN talking announces a BIG win for Biden? Bias? What bias? H/T to Flopping Aces [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Video-CNN&#8217;s fuzzy&nbsp;math  OK watch the video, and note that about the same number of people think Sarah Palin won the debate, as think Joe Biden won. Yet, the CNN talking announces a BIG win for Biden? Bias? What bias? H/T to Flopping Aces [...]</p>
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		<title>By: doug1</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I saw that when it first aired. I remember saying to myself, &#039;she&#039;s rushing things too fast ... it looks like a tie to me.&#039; 

I was left with the impression she was &quot;Mrs. Luntz&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yeah, I saw that when it first aired. I remember saying to myself, &#8216;she&#8217;s rushing things too fast &#8230; it looks like a tie to me.&#8217; </p>
<p>I was left with the impression she was &#8220;Mrs. Luntz&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Romano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Romano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight.  Biden tells lies like he&#039;s telling the truth (&lt;a href=&quot;http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;24 and counting&lt;/a&gt;) and he&#039;s declared the winner?

So, the debate winner is the one who tells the most lies? Wow, who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Let me get this straight.  Biden tells lies like he&#8217;s telling the truth (<a href="http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY=" rel="nofollow">24 and counting</a>) and he&#8217;s declared the winner?</p>
<p>So, the debate winner is the one who tells the most lies? Wow, who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: pyromancer76</title>
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		<dc:creator>pyromancer76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much appreciate Curt&#039;s post so that we can see the truth about lying CNN.  Notice the cutting of the tape and that O&#039;Brien&#039;s back was to us when her &quot;voice-over&quot; said &quot;overwhelming&quot; and &quot;small handful&quot;.  I bet she didn&#039;t say that in the room.  I, a liberal in the old-fashioned sense of the term, with conservative leanings, read this blog every day.  Even if we disagree on policies, and sometimes disagree passionately, I think there is a large majority of liberals and conservatives against the unqualified, illegitimate, amoral, anti-American candidate, Obama, in spite of what the media&#039;s polls are indoctrinating us to. 

Those who once were the left of the Democratic Party were called &quot;progressives&quot;; they have been taken over by anti-democratic socialists, marxists, maoists, black nationalists, and islamists.  Global corporations are using these &quot;new progressives&quot; and their thuggist, corrupt ways to destroy the American middle-class.  There is no news media with investigative journalism left in the US; Fox is the closest we come. Almost all media are owned by corporations who have global agendas and those agendas do not include the strength, national resources, and world leadership of the US.  Individuals like O&#039;Brien are simply figureheads to spout the global, anti-American, propaganda.  Airwave franchises to these global corporations must be stopped.  We need some kind of &quot;fairness doctrine&quot;, but the one proposed would take blogs like this and every bit of free speech away from us.  Thanks Craig for your information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I very much appreciate Curt&#8217;s post so that we can see the truth about lying CNN.  Notice the cutting of the tape and that O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s back was to us when her &#8220;voice-over&#8221; said &#8220;overwhelming&#8221; and &#8220;small handful&#8221;.  I bet she didn&#8217;t say that in the room.  I, a liberal in the old-fashioned sense of the term, with conservative leanings, read this blog every day.  Even if we disagree on policies, and sometimes disagree passionately, I think there is a large majority of liberals and conservatives against the unqualified, illegitimate, amoral, anti-American candidate, Obama, in spite of what the media&#8217;s polls are indoctrinating us to. </p>
<p>Those who once were the left of the Democratic Party were called &#8220;progressives&#8221;; they have been taken over by anti-democratic socialists, marxists, maoists, black nationalists, and islamists.  Global corporations are using these &#8220;new progressives&#8221; and their thuggist, corrupt ways to destroy the American middle-class.  There is no news media with investigative journalism left in the US; Fox is the closest we come. Almost all media are owned by corporations who have global agendas and those agendas do not include the strength, national resources, and world leadership of the US.  Individuals like O&#8217;Brien are simply figureheads to spout the global, anti-American, propaganda.  Airwave franchises to these global corporations must be stopped.  We need some kind of &#8220;fairness doctrine&#8221;, but the one proposed would take blogs like this and every bit of free speech away from us.  Thanks Craig for your information.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit,

I guess you do not watch Fox much then.  Unlike CNN they usually have opposing sides on the air.  And Alan Combs is what?  Sorry, your distortions and slavish adherence to the failed doctrines of socialism are sad.

But I expect nothing less from you than the useful idiotness I see here.  Your masters expect nothing less either.

Floridafan,

I know all too well what CNN International is like.  Even Goebbels and the old Soviet propagandists would be jealous.  It is a disgusting thing to watch.  The CNN channels I noted above were CNN-I.  I watched in the IZ/Green Zone a CNN-I &quot;Journalist&quot; at the Palestine Hotel use the Babel Power Plant&#039;s smoke stack as a &quot;massive truck bomb&quot; that &quot;attacked&quot; the IZ&#039;s inner living areas.

Obviously no such thing happened as I was in that area at the time.  We walked out of the DFAC and saw the propagandist on her balcony making the report!  It was a clear day and NOTHING happened in the area.  And that is just one of MANY instances.

The funny thing is watching the looks on our allies faces as we would debunk the lies of CNN on the spot.  But then, as with our population, their leftists could care less about what their troops think and have experienced.  CNN-I with its posh elitism fits much better into the Euro-socialist viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit,</p>
<p>I guess you do not watch Fox much then.  Unlike CNN they usually have opposing sides on the air.  And Alan Combs is what?  Sorry, your distortions and slavish adherence to the failed doctrines of socialism are sad.</p>
<p>But I expect nothing less from you than the useful idiotness I see here.  Your masters expect nothing less either.</p>
<p>Floridafan,</p>
<p>I know all too well what CNN International is like.  Even Goebbels and the old Soviet propagandists would be jealous.  It is a disgusting thing to watch.  The CNN channels I noted above were CNN-I.  I watched in the IZ/Green Zone a CNN-I &#8220;Journalist&#8221; at the Palestine Hotel use the Babel Power Plant&#8217;s smoke stack as a &#8220;massive truck bomb&#8221; that &#8220;attacked&#8221; the IZ&#8217;s inner living areas.</p>
<p>Obviously no such thing happened as I was in that area at the time.  We walked out of the DFAC and saw the propagandist on her balcony making the report!  It was a clear day and NOTHING happened in the area.  And that is just one of MANY instances.</p>
<p>The funny thing is watching the looks on our allies faces as we would debunk the lies of CNN on the spot.  But then, as with our population, their leftists could care less about what their troops think and have experienced.  CNN-I with its posh elitism fits much better into the Euro-socialist viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSNBC is more biased to the left than Fox is to the right.  They can get away with it cause no one&#039;s ever watching. If you don&#039;t want bias, you need to stick to CSPAN.  Isn&#039;t Glenn Beck on CNN&#039;s Headline News?  I don&#039;t see a show like thast on FOX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>MSNBC is more biased to the left than Fox is to the right.  They can get away with it cause no one&#8217;s ever watching. If you don&#8217;t want bias, you need to stick to CSPAN.  Isn&#8217;t Glenn Beck on CNN&#8217;s Headline News?  I don&#8217;t see a show like thast on FOX.</p>
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		<title>By: Floridafan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floridafan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick comment to Fit:  I just came back from overseas, where Fox doesn&#039;t exist and all you can watch in English is CNN and BBC.  You should have a look, Fit!  The bias is so overwhelming that it borders on humorous (if you forget that most foreigners get their impressions of America from these two leftist networks).

The MSM will do whatever it takes to get Obama elected; partisan politics trump national security and common sense.  Fit, unfortunately liberals like you are so blinded that you can&#039;t see this.  But be assured:  CNN is more biased to the left than Fox is to the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Just a quick comment to Fit:  I just came back from overseas, where Fox doesn&#8217;t exist and all you can watch in English is CNN and BBC.  You should have a look, Fit!  The bias is so overwhelming that it borders on humorous (if you forget that most foreigners get their impressions of America from these two leftist networks).</p>
<p>The MSM will do whatever it takes to get Obama elected; partisan politics trump national security and common sense.  Fit, unfortunately liberals like you are so blinded that you can&#8217;t see this.  But be assured:  CNN is more biased to the left than Fox is to the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/04/cnn-focus-group-shows-significant-majority-believe-biden-won-debatevideo-shows-otherwise/#comment-117797</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-117778&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;joe from chi&lt;/a&gt;: Heh. Those with brains wouldn&#039;t dare turn to CNN. Calling CNN a reliable source is like saying that Pelosi is the best Speaker we&#039;ve ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-117778" rel="nofollow">joe from chi</a>: Heh. Those with brains wouldn&#8217;t dare turn to CNN. Calling CNN a reliable source is like saying that Pelosi is the best Speaker we&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
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		<title>By: joe from chi</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/04/cnn-focus-group-shows-significant-majority-believe-biden-won-debatevideo-shows-otherwise/#comment-117778</link>
		<dc:creator>joe from chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNN??  Does anyone really care what they say anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>CNN??  Does anyone really care what they say anymore?</p>
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