-Senator Obama answering Steve Kroft in his 60 Minutes interview.
So Obama is a “new kind of politician”, representing hope and change; setting a new tone for Washington that rises above lipstick smears and the dirty tactics of character defamation?
From the Jawa Report:
Extensive research was conducted by the Jawa Report to determine the source of smears directed toward Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Those smears included false allegations that she belonged to a secessionist political party and that she has radical anti-American views.
Our research suggests that a subdivision of one of the largest public relations firms in the world most likely started and promulgated rumors about Sarah Palin that were known to be false. These rumors were spread in a surreptitious manner to avoid exposure.
It is also likely that the PR firm was paid by outside sources to run the smear campaign. While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:
- Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.
- The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.
- Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.
- Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.
- The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.
- This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”
- David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.
- The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.
This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe. Our findings follow.
Read the rest of Dr. Rusty Shackleford’s extensive research at The Jawa Report
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I wouldn’t use the term “Swift-Boating”.
The “Swift-Boat” claims were true, the things they’re now saying about Palin are lies.
Saying that they’re “Swift-Boating” Palin isn’t an accurate comparison of what’s going on.
The AIP connections were incorrect, but they’re not a total fabrication. Apparently she was so heavliy involved that members of the AIP thought she was a member, which is where the rumor started. As far as I’ve heard, nobody has denied that Todd Palin was a member.
Oh, my God! Why am I not surprised? Since the beginning of the presidential, when I first saw Obama, I thought this guy was a fraud. I had never heard of him before, didn’t know who he was and I couldn’t figure out why so many people went banana for him. As an outsider (Canada), I will tell you exactly what my feelings at the time were. I remembered that the terrorists on 9/11 organized the WTC attack on US ground and used American planes, and no one saw them coming. Those terrorists are smart cookies. What if they pull the trick this time to elected one of them as President? OK, it is far fetch… sort of a conspirator theory, but that was my first impression. First impressions are often good.
Anyways, all those videos trying to destroy Governor Palin’s reputation do not seem to be working very well:
Yesterday, Palin’s speech in Florida attracted 60,000 voters. Obama last week only attracted 20,000 in that State.
PALIN’S FLORIDA DEBUT DRAWS THOUSANDS. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/21/palins-florida-debut-draws-thousands/
That’s almost as good as “fake but accurate”. Where have we seen that before?
Fit fit,
I’ve seen you put forth some weak arguments before, but that one sets the gold standard.
You’re right…..which is why I put the phrase in quotations. I’ve used “Karl Rovian playbook” in similar fashion before. I’ve been bouncing around different titles, so it’s not engraved in cyberspace, yet.
No, the only part that was not true was that she was a registered member. She did attend conventions, her husband was a member and she did send then a special taped greeting as Governor.
It’s not a case of “fake but accurate”.
As I said, the only reason it was reported she had been a member was that other AIP members stated she was.
I don’t think her involvement makes much of a difference either way.
Fit, the rumors of Palin as an AIP member came from a fake counterfeit site, combined with the erroneous statement of one AIP official, Lynnette Clark, who did not do her homework.
Per the AIP disclaimer on the home page:
Todd Palin was not an active participant. And while many like to portray the AIP as a “white supremecist” party, they are actually comprised of Alaskan natives (of which Todd Palin is part native Alaskan), and both white and black rural Alaskan denizens. They are oriented around Alaskan independence statehood, not race, as they believe the lower 48 doesn’t understand Alaskan territory needs.
Actually, considering the the media’s babble about federal funds that Alaska receives – and being a state with a huge shoreline, American domestic energy center, and a plethora of military bases – they’re not entirely wrong. i.e. the media loves to use the ‘per capital’ measure for federal funds which just doesn’t cut the mustard on legitimate funds (Gravina Bridge aside…) that the state needs given their transportation needs, extreme weather conditions affecting the transportation system, and the amount of federal resources there.
And sending a DVD greet as Governor does not constitute “heavily involved”.
But I agree… it’s a non-issue.
The best part is that this info was debunked more than a week before this video made its way onto the DU site.
The folks over at Winner and Associates aren’t really interested in being honest purveyors of the truth.
Fit, you really should wise up. Or do some independent thinking…
Fit Fit
Do you defend this totally false allegation???? Do you think that The Jawa report did a bad job of investigating who did this????? Or are you going to take the word of a fake website and defend Obama’s buddies again???? Or gety our talking points from Obama??? I really want to know how any one can defend this kind of attack. Or is it just another Rovian Plot??? really I want to know.
interesting connection with the pr firm. i think fit fit needs to recheck his facts, he has to argue everything, wonder why, feeling scared about the golden boy not being so golden. makes one wonder why everyone in the dem party are so scared of a “little girl” who hunts and is a better outdoorsmen than most dems.
You gotta love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcvp3VUjdVY
Bronze… “the Swift boat claims were true”..
What planet are you living on??? they were as false as they come… Lies all the way!!!
Where has anybody proven that the “Swiftboats” were false. Has anyone gotten the $1 million dollars yet, if so I have not seen it. News to me if they have been proven false, sating it so many times does not make it true.
stix,
Just seeing Sky question the honesty or accuracy of anything someone has to say is hysterical.
This is the same guy who has been pinned to the wall so many times he drips when he drinks.
Real American Patriot,
Your nickname is a insult to the USA. You have nothing of a Patriot, you are a USA/basher. No wonder you’ll be voting for Obama, he is there to destroy this country. Like attracts like.
Craig,
RAP was once known by the name of Sky55110. (That’s the zip code for where he lives.)
Once upon a time he posted here on a very regular basis. Then, he got tired of having his ass handed to him so he left.
Now, he’s back on occasion with the same drivel but he hides behind a new name.
He is a died in the wool moonbat.
Real American Patriot keep drinking your Kool-Aid and let me know how it tastes.
BTW, which part of the SVFTT was a lie?
Was it the part about John Kerry getting medals that he wrote himself up for?
Or was it the part about John Kerry being in Cambodia?
Maybe it was the part about John Kerry having that bush hat from a SEAL that he inserted into Cambodia?
Was it the part about John Kerry calling American soldiers killers and rapists?
I could go on and on…
Heh.
Sky won’t be back for a few days now.
Ah is he going to go pout in the corner. Poor little moonbat.
Your reference to “Swiftboating” is inaccurate.
Swiftboating is telling the truth about a candidate.
Which, again, is why I put the phrase in quotations, a bit tongue-in-cheek, speaking in language that liberals understand. I’ve done the same in the past in referencing Obama’s campaign using tactics “straight out of the Karl Rovian playbook“. It’s just mumbo-jumbo stuff and nonsense.
Governor Palin is being “cleansed,” so to speak from the Web. Type in Sarah Palin, the date; you won’t get half of what was available last week. I thought it was just my imagination, but Ms. Palin is rapidly disappearing from the Internet. On GOOGLE, it’s sparse but outdated negative posts. Yahoo is more of the same. Here’s a woman, I’ve heard described as a combination of the girl next-door, Ms. Right, and “the one that got away” (who knows oil), running for high office and … we’re seeing a handful of outdated rants. It’s been reported the Obama campaign is top-heavy with ex-Clinton staffers. That could spell trouble. Well the best credential for governing, is that the candidate possesses the will of the people. I think Sarah Palin’s got it, we’re just not supposed to know: http://theseedsof9-11.com
Actually there were numerous debunkings of the Swift boat claims:
http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html
and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58315-2004Aug11?
and
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/20040820_SWIFT_GRAPH.html?YOUR_REG_SYSTEM_MAKES_MY_BLOOD_BOIL
Factcheck.org, The Washington Post, Snopes.com and the NYT all did articles covering the Swift boat claims. I tried to post them but my computer is acting weird. I’m certainly not a fan of Kerry nor am I saying that evreything thing he said about his service in Vietnam is 100 percent accurate. But to say that all of the Swift boat claims are true, is simply false.
Got you out of the spam filter, Ron. It’s appearing as post #24 with your links.
Oops sorry for the redundant posts. Again my computer isn’t displaying this website correctly.
Thanks Mata. Am I wrong on this issue? I mean I checked on these links back when all of this was being said about Kerry. And again some things he said were disputed but then some of the things the Swift boaters said were too. Mata since you’re the resident fact checking expert, what’s your take?
Ron
Well, I am still waiting t=for anyon to getthe $1 million to dispute anyof the Swiftboats’ facts. There is an open invitation to anyone to prove anything they said was wrong and if they do they will get $1 million dollars. NO one has gotten that money,so I am assuming no one has proven anything wrong.
I don’t think all of the swift boat claims were true; but I also don’t think all of the claims were debunked; nor do I think some of the debunking actually had addressed the actual charges being leveled, but spun them to shape strawman arguments that could be blown down. My recollection is hazy on the back-and-forths and the details of 4 years ago; nor am I really interested in revisiting the issue. It’s old news.
….Unless Kerry wants to take Biden’s place for the VP slot.
He’s still a douchebag with or without the swiftboat vets charges against him.
To Wordsmith:
Ouch!
I was merely following the thread and the question of authenticity arose regarding the Swift Boat veteran’s claims. That’s why it is at issue. Douchebag or no douchebag, I was simply trying to get at the truth but it seems I’ve struck a nerve so I’ll drop it.
Oh and I think Kerry looks more like a tampon than a douchebag Wordsmith, so we’ll agree to disagree on that point.
Ron
Oh and Stix1972:
Kerry took the challenge and Pickens wanted certain records. Long story short, the offer was reneged. So that answers your 1 million dollar question. Did you even read the links?
Ron
Resident fact checker? Dang, when did I get that moniker! uh.. no pressure… LOL
Thank you for the trust. But before I say anything about Swiftboat, let me say that during the weeks prior to Kerry’s “baby killer” testimony before Congress, I was having my son in a Naval hospital. To this day, I do not see his face, nor hear his name, without steam pouring from my ears. Kerry is, and will always remain, scum to me. A position Jane Fonda (as a political activist) will also hold.
That aside, I think the Swiftboat has always been a mixture of truth and Kerry’s own self-perceived legend. Those Brownwater Navy boys had tough duty. I cannot make light of their missions.
If I remember rightly, Kerry did one tour and was there about 4 months total. Many of the Swiftboaters were multiple tours. I don’t think Kerry was particularly gung ho or heroic, and unlikely to be cowardly. I think he did his job, didn’t like what he observed, and got out.
How he obtained his medals, and for what, was a large part of the battle. I don’t believe that anything outside of proper channels was followed… like he could request his own service medal for a minor wound. But I believe many felt he took advantage of the award system morally.
Ultimately, only those who were there and served with Kerry know. To this day, I don’t believe he’s released his entire records, and as Stix said, that “prove me wrong” reward money hasn’t been claimed.
I’ll leave it to the Brownwater brothers to argue about, and I’ll judge Kerry on his performance since his return…. which is despicable.
Not with me. I have the temperament of a saint and the manners to match.
We do have a couple of resident pitbulls on the loose, quick on the trigger to shoot first, ask if you’re a DU Kossak later.
Suppositorily noted.
I’d clock it at Troopergate post #!, if not prior to it.
Mata
Valid point, and based on what you’ve said I don’t blame you for your views on Kerry. Personally I’m not a fan and I thought Democrats were nuts for letting him be the nominee.
Thank you for your response.
Ron
I agreewith Mata. Let the Brownwater Navy settle it. I think I would agree more with his superiors than those that donate to his campaign, but that is just me. And notallofthemare Republicans.
And to let you know my dad’s best friend was a doctor with the Brownwater Navy. He was on a supply ship on the Cambodian and Veitnamese border. And he never knew Kerry while there, but hates his guts for what he said about the troops when Kery came back to the US, along with almost all of the Brownwater Navy vets. He got shot at everyday and could tell the difference between incoming and outgoing while in his sleep
Yes Mata, you are definitely the group fact checker. Your posts are like reading an encyclopedia, in a good way
Is this where I’m supposed to dash in and apply some ruby red lipstick?? LOL
DU Kossak? I didn’t get that. Please explain.
Thanks
Ron
DU is Democratic Uderground, an online site full of moonbats, ultra liberals, affectionately called DUmmies. And DailyKos is another one and the members are called Kossacks. And there is also the HUFFPOs from Huffington Post.
And the Left call uson the right Wing Nuts. And then thereare Freepers, who go to the Free Republic website.
I do not go there, because there are just as rabid as the Kossacks and DUmmies, just to the right.
Oh. thank you Stix for the explanation. I am not an operative of any sort. Actually, I’m posting from from place of business. I’m on a computer all day so in between analyzing spreadsheets I like to peruse the political websites. Actually I’m a moderate and a reluctant McCain supporter (only because he’s so old…sorry I’m being honest). I have issues with certain things he says but I acknowledge the lack of experience Obama has so the choice is obvious.
I occasionally like to challenge opinions of info posted simply to get a debate going. I know this is a Conservative website (which appeals to my Conservative side) but will still challenge things I think might be false or incomplete. So no reason to shoot first as I have no agenda. No Obama pushing will come from me. And when I’m wrong, I’m pretty good at admitting it.
I apologize for getting off topic again….but I don’t want to get SHOT.
Take care gang.
My work day is done.
Ron
No problem. I am also at work and dthis in between my work, which I actually have a lot of free time at work.
You will find many of us here reluctantly for McCain. He has always been a thorn in our side and is not my first second or third choice in the Republican field for Presidnet. But I am totally against what Obama stands for.
Some maybe more for him than others. I am mainly against Obama and with Palin as the VP, it makes it easier to votefor McCain.
I know this is completely off topic but I didn’t feel comfortable posting on a new thread so I’ll post it here. I figure you guys appreciate political humor. The Al Sharpton response is the best!
A Joke (I think it’s pretty funny)
Why did the chicken cross the road?
JOHN MCCAIN: My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he
recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the
chickens on the other side of the road.
BARACK OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a
change! The chicken wanted change!
HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little
chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified
to ensure – right from Day One! – that every chicken in this country
gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really
isn’t about me.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We don’t really care why the chicken crossed the road.
We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not.
The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground
here.
BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken. What is your
definition of chicken?
AL GORE: I invented the chicken.
DICK CHENEY: Where’s my gun?
JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now
against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the
chicken’s intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.
PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American
AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white?
Hah!
Ron
Here is a good one Ron
Stix:
Ouch! Funny though. But don’t we use Prefix’s now? African-American, Mexican-American, Asian-American, Muslim American, South American -American. oh and I forgot….white people. It’s not fair.
From now on I want to have a fancy prefix too.
I’m an Italian-German-Scottish-Irish-Protestant- American.
That beats them all.
Ron
Ok..one more and I’ll stop. This is hilarious!
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/86616?utm_source=embedded_video “>
Let me know if the link doesn’t work.
Ron
I will look at the video when I get home . NO sound here at work
I would be Polish, German, Scotch Irish, English, Lithiuanian, Mongolian, Norwegian, Swiss, Jamaican, Welsh, and a little bit of everything else -American.
My God man…Mongolian? Like in Ghengis Khan? That’s impressive. Your family has been seriously getting around. I think my ancestors were either too drunk or too lazy to get out and go screw other people from other countries. A lot of inbreeding as well. That’s why I have a hump and I drool a lot.
Ron
Well, my dad is 100% Polish and any familythere has a little Mongolian in them. Ghenghis Kan came thru and raped and pillages. My eyes are pretty much squintylike Asians.
And mymom’s side ofthe familyhasbeen here since around the Mayflower. They came and landed next to Boston, pretty much illegally, they landed in the wrong area the King told them they could go. And then they helped form Rhode Island after theygot kicked out of Massechussets. They have been herea long time. So i got a little bit of everything in me.
You know your lineage quit well. Have you peeked over at the other threads? Some major cat-fighting going on. Scott and some guy named Sam are going back and forth about McCain. I never understand why people think they can change ideologies. I mean that is essentially what separates our politics. It’s what we believe in and not which politician lied the least or said what we wanted to hear. We pick our candidates and leaders based on whether or not they share they same ideals as us.
You want to hear something funny? My Mom is a flaming Liberal who supports Obama…and my Dad is a right-leaning Conservative who wanted Romney for President! They divorced when I was very young (and not because of politics) but talk about feeling in the middle. It’s like I have to wear two different hats when I’m around each of them. They both love to go on and on about politics and I just nod my head and think….how close is the nearest bar?
Ron
Yes, my grandma wrote a book of our ancestry. So I do know a lotofwhatour family did and who we are related to. I am distantly relatedto Linda Tripp, T.S. Elliott, and Warren G Harding.
My closefamilyareall conservative toa varying degree. My dad think Rush Limbaughis too far to the Left. And both brothers are conservative also, one pretty close to mydadand the other clser to Ron Paul without the nuttiness. My mom is conservative but closer to the middle. Iam pretty much in between them all.
And my mom anddad aredivorced also.
Mymom’s familyhas 3 conservative and liberals And it is funny.My mom is conservative, the next one is liberal and so on.
Yes really all this going back and forth really is notgoing to change that many minds. I just try and get the truth out there,when someone is lieing or misrepresentng someone.
It really does not matter that mcuh who itis for most people, it is the philosophyofthe parties that people tend to go after. And thatis why McCain was not energizing theconservatives, because he is not really that conservative on all issues. But he is alot betterthan Obama which is the farleft in this country. he is runninghis campaign straight down Alinski’s method, socialist to the core. But heis trying to hide it from thecountry, but it is getting out more and more each day.
At least that is my 2 cents
stix..I gotta go after this. Limbaugh to far too the left? Wow!
I understand your point. I was more referring to how funny it us when a liberal goes to a Conservative sight and tries to change the minds of the people who post on that sight. I’m saying even if Obama was 100% honest and a really nice fellow, Conservatives wouldn’t vote for him because his political ideologies are different from a conservatives. I told my very liberal aunt that the other day. I said there will always be liberals, and there will always be Conservatives and that we should quit trying to make others believe what we believe. I asked her if I could talk her out of voting for Obama and she said no way! So I said well then don’t try and talk me out of voting for McCain. She agreed and we moved on to another topic. It was a nice moment (sorry to sound all mushy…but she is a cancer survivor so I have a certain affinity for her).
Anyway
Maybe tomorrow we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya!
Take care
Ron
The man continues his travels to a barren wasteland in South Dakota. There he encounters a passerby and asks are you American?
The passerby’s eyes sink and a tear trickles down his cheek. “I am a native American. The white Americans slaughtered my fathers and grandfathers, carved up my country and forced my brothers and sisters to live in these horrible camps.” He gathers his composure and says of the white man…
They work and they toil and cut down my trees
And thicken my skies, and yes even the seas.
They pray to their gods of inked paper bills
Then give them away to buy up short-lived thrills.
They take and they take and they over consume.
They laugh when the days grow hot and impugn -
They say with a smirk that we men are too small
And that earth is too big, there’s no impact at all.
They boast of their knowledge and conquest of facts
Yet they know of their family two hundred years max.
Oh how they slave for the great here-and-now
Only to find on their death beds somehow
That life is worth more than the dollars they earned
And the bombs that they dropped and the forests they burned
So welcome, my friend, to this greatest of lands
Beware of the product of work by white hands.