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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Joe Biden: The Gift That Keeps On Giving</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-114176</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Joe Biden: The Gift That Keeps On Giving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then who can forget his &#8220;Obama better not touch my guns&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113824</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden&#039;s pandering is completely insulting to the intelligence of gun owners. 

Don&#039;t think they&#039;re buying it for one second. Combined with the disingenuous carrying on by Obama and Biden, with the &#039;pholksy&#039; dialects they put on while patronizing everyone on this issue, this issue alone will likely lose them the election. 

It is so transparently insincere, it is nauseating. 

I confess that I don&#039;t understand the gun-banner&#039;s mindset at all. How can they, ostensibly intelligent, rational people, put their brains on hold, and actually believe that any criminal who would be willing to threaten or kill his fellow man, would give a damn about a law forbidding carry, possession of any kind of lethal weapon. 

Second amendment rights notwithstanding, if we think that we would have a snowballs chance of getting weapons &quot;off the streets&quot; let us examine our success in preventing the flow of thousands of tons of illegal drugs, and preventing the crossing of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. 

Although Biden and Obama could never likely round up all the guns under their watch, they can and would do serious damage to this right, by relentless, incremental baby steps. 

It would start with so-called semi automatic assault weapons, You know, the ones that are used in less than 1/10th of a percent of gun crime. (FBI uniform crime report). They are just ugly enough, and look menacing enough to be excellent target of a gun ban. Fact is, even an M16 fires a cartridge that isn&#039;t nearly as devastating as a typical hunting round like a .308 or 30.06. But the average person doesn&#039;t know this. 

The majority opinion in Heller vs D.C. has re-affirmed Miller VS US, in the sense that the 2nd amendment specifically protects weapons that are suited for militia (read military) use, or weapons that are in common use at the time. 

AK47s, M16/M4, Beretta 9 mm, etc are the most commonly used weapons of our time, and therefore, ought to be the most protected. 

The compromise, in terms of &quot;reasonable restrictions&quot; is already in place: unless registered prior to 1986, civilian versions of these weapons are not fully automatic, requiring the trigger to be pulled once for each round fired. 

There is very good reason to protect these weapons in particular. Part of the myriad of reasons our founders created the Second Amendment is so that the People would have an ultimate recourse against future tyranny. Candidates like Obama and Biden, with their cynical though thinly veiled attempts at duping the electorate, serve to highlight the wisdom of the founding fathers. 

Sure, we won&#039;t have outright gun confiscation a broad scale . . . right away. But until we draw a permanent line in the sand, and specifically codify the limits of government infringement in our courts and legislatures, we may depend on a relentless chipping away of this fundamental right to keep and bear until one day we will look up, and the right will have ceased to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Biden&#8217;s pandering is completely insulting to the intelligence of gun owners. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re buying it for one second. Combined with the disingenuous carrying on by Obama and Biden, with the &#8216;pholksy&#8217; dialects they put on while patronizing everyone on this issue, this issue alone will likely lose them the election. </p>
<p>It is so transparently insincere, it is nauseating. </p>
<p>I confess that I don&#8217;t understand the gun-banner&#8217;s mindset at all. How can they, ostensibly intelligent, rational people, put their brains on hold, and actually believe that any criminal who would be willing to threaten or kill his fellow man, would give a damn about a law forbidding carry, possession of any kind of lethal weapon. </p>
<p>Second amendment rights notwithstanding, if we think that we would have a snowballs chance of getting weapons &#8220;off the streets&#8221; let us examine our success in preventing the flow of thousands of tons of illegal drugs, and preventing the crossing of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. </p>
<p>Although Biden and Obama could never likely round up all the guns under their watch, they can and would do serious damage to this right, by relentless, incremental baby steps. </p>
<p>It would start with so-called semi automatic assault weapons, You know, the ones that are used in less than 1/10th of a percent of gun crime. (FBI uniform crime report). They are just ugly enough, and look menacing enough to be excellent target of a gun ban. Fact is, even an M16 fires a cartridge that isn&#8217;t nearly as devastating as a typical hunting round like a .308 or 30.06. But the average person doesn&#8217;t know this. </p>
<p>The majority opinion in Heller vs D.C. has re-affirmed Miller VS US, in the sense that the 2nd amendment specifically protects weapons that are suited for militia (read military) use, or weapons that are in common use at the time. </p>
<p>AK47s, M16/M4, Beretta 9 mm, etc are the most commonly used weapons of our time, and therefore, ought to be the most protected. </p>
<p>The compromise, in terms of &#8220;reasonable restrictions&#8221; is already in place: unless registered prior to 1986, civilian versions of these weapons are not fully automatic, requiring the trigger to be pulled once for each round fired. </p>
<p>There is very good reason to protect these weapons in particular. Part of the myriad of reasons our founders created the Second Amendment is so that the People would have an ultimate recourse against future tyranny. Candidates like Obama and Biden, with their cynical though thinly veiled attempts at duping the electorate, serve to highlight the wisdom of the founding fathers. </p>
<p>Sure, we won&#8217;t have outright gun confiscation a broad scale . . . right away. But until we draw a permanent line in the sand, and specifically codify the limits of government infringement in our courts and legislatures, we may depend on a relentless chipping away of this fundamental right to keep and bear until one day we will look up, and the right will have ceased to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113780</link>
		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Gun rights have never been part of his entire political career.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just like O&#039;Bama saying that he &quot;thought&quot; about joining the military, this past week.

Funny, you never mentioned that anywhere before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>Gun rights have never been part of his entire political career.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just like O&#8217;Bama saying that he &#8220;thought&#8221; about joining the military, this past week.</p>
<p>Funny, you never mentioned that anywhere before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113768</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns&quot;  (Joe Biden)

He may not take them now, but he might borrow one of your Beretta on november 4th, to blow his mind after losing the elections... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns&#8221;  (Joe Biden)</p>
<p>He may not take them now, but he might borrow one of your Beretta on november 4th, to blow his mind after losing the elections&#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113730</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never heard of AHSA, but this is from a blog posted in the sidebar.  How do we fool them today?


American Hunters And Shooters Association endorses Obama 
I just heard that on our local radio gun show. From the NRA:

American Hunters And Shooters Association: The Ultimate In Political Camouflage:

AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group. In truth, the anti-gun credentials of AHSA’s leadership is well documented. For instance, AHSA president Ray Schoenke has a long history of giving political donations to some of the most anti-gun politicians, including Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein and Ted Kennedy. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. And one of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has been a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits.

http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-hunters-and-shooters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Never heard of AHSA, but this is from a blog posted in the sidebar.  How do we fool them today?</p>
<p>American Hunters And Shooters Association endorses Obama<br />
I just heard that on our local radio gun show. From the NRA:</p>
<p>American Hunters And Shooters Association: The Ultimate In Political Camouflage:</p>
<p>AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group. In truth, the anti-gun credentials of AHSA’s leadership is well documented. For instance, AHSA president Ray Schoenke has a long history of giving political donations to some of the most anti-gun politicians, including Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein and Ted Kennedy. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. And one of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has been a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits.</p>
<p><a href="http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-hunters-and-shooters.html" rel="nofollow">http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-hunters-and-shooters.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WadeHM</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113704</link>
		<dc:creator>WadeHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of a sudden Biden owns two guns? Why not mention this before? And I&#039;ll bet the second one is a shotgun too, probably not a handgun. If Biden is really about protecting gun rights he should have been stating such from the beginning, not all of a sudden now while talking to a labor group. Gun rights have &lt;strong&gt;never&lt;/strong&gt; been part of his entire political career.

When you are desperate to get votes you will resort to any lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>All of a sudden Biden owns two guns? Why not mention this before? And I&#8217;ll bet the second one is a shotgun too, probably not a handgun. If Biden is really about protecting gun rights he should have been stating such from the beginning, not all of a sudden now while talking to a labor group. Gun rights have <strong>never</strong> been part of his entire political career.</p>
<p>When you are desperate to get votes you will resort to any lie.</p>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WMC, Liberal hipocracy at its finest!</description>
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		<title>By: Walter M. Clark</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113692</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter M. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, although she&#039;ll never admit it.  California Senator Feinstein has a concealed carry permit.  In San Francisco.  If it&#039;s good enough for her it should be good enough for the rest of us.  But, of course, the DIM oc RATS know better, right?

Walter M. Clark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Just for the record, although she&#8217;ll never admit it.  California Senator Feinstein has a concealed carry permit.  In San Francisco.  If it&#8217;s good enough for her it should be good enough for the rest of us.  But, of course, the DIM oc RATS know better, right?</p>
<p>Walter M. Clark</p>
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		<title>By: nan proctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nan proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a racist. I am a democrat but will vote republican I feel we were cheated out of the best person to represent the democrats by the obama campaign playing the race card as usual.He saw his chance when a woman was picked to be the favorite.He did not pick Hillary for he knew she was better than him. The good old boy system put him in. He has not done anything for America that I have seen.He was only interested in the black people and not all of the Americans of different colors. He is only present when any voting is going on and not capable of making the right decision to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I am not a racist. I am a democrat but will vote republican I feel we were cheated out of the best person to represent the democrats by the obama campaign playing the race card as usual.He saw his chance when a woman was picked to be the favorite.He did not pick Hillary for he knew she was better than him. The good old boy system put him in. He has not done anything for America that I have seen.He was only interested in the black people and not all of the Americans of different colors. He is only present when any voting is going on and not capable of making the right decision to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonn Lilyea</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/20/biden-obama-better-not-touch-my-guns/#comment-113680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonn Lilyea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figures that rich-boy northeast Liberal Biden would claim to own a Beretta shotgun. I guess an Ithaca or Mossberg is too low brow to admit owning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Figures that rich-boy northeast Liberal Biden would claim to own a Beretta shotgun. I guess an Ithaca or Mossberg is too low brow to admit owning.</p>
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