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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112947</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, 

The percentages of live births after abortion runs between 15 to 20 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott, </p>
<p>The percentages of live births after abortion runs between 15 to 20 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112946</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

Since my first response was caught, and remains trapped, in the SPAM filter, I&#039;ll try again.

The basic procedure is that the live born baby is place in a tray or pan and is then set aside to die from exposure or neglect.  There is not normally a proactive effort on the part of the medical provider to directly cause or hasten the death.  The child is, quite literally, placed on a shelf to die.  Sometimes, as alluded to in #13, this happens in linen closet.  This practice keeps the doctor off the hook if murder charges were ever considered.

The percentages of live births following a failed abortion run 15 to 20 percent.  Sometimes the babies survive for just a few minutes.  Sometimes for hours.

This procedure goes far beyond partial birth abortion which almost everyone agrees is barbaric.

This is infanticide.  It is murder.  There is no gray area here.

This procedure is so radical that Obama was &lt;strong&gt;the only State Senator&lt;/strong&gt; in Illinois who spoke against this bill.

Furthermore, this practice is so abhorrent and uncivilized that even Barbara Boxer was on the opposite side from Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott,</p>
<p>Since my first response was caught, and remains trapped, in the SPAM filter, I&#8217;ll try again.</p>
<p>The basic procedure is that the live born baby is place in a tray or pan and is then set aside to die from exposure or neglect.  There is not normally a proactive effort on the part of the medical provider to directly cause or hasten the death.  The child is, quite literally, placed on a shelf to die.  Sometimes, as alluded to in #13, this happens in linen closet.  This practice keeps the doctor off the hook if murder charges were ever considered.</p>
<p>The percentages of live births following a failed abortion run 15 to 20 percent.  Sometimes the babies survive for just a few minutes.  Sometimes for hours.</p>
<p>This procedure goes far beyond partial birth abortion which almost everyone agrees is barbaric.</p>
<p>This is infanticide.  It is murder.  There is no gray area here.</p>
<p>This procedure is so radical that Obama was <strong>the only State Senator</strong> in Illinois who spoke against this bill.</p>
<p>Furthermore, this practice is so abhorrent and uncivilized that even Barbara Boxer was on the opposite side from Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112937</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the SPAM filter again.</description>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112936</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

As for frequency I will confirm that number for you.  I heard it on the radio just today.

As for how it&#039;s done, the main way is called &quot;shelving&quot; where the baby is literally put into a pan or tray and then set aside to die without medical assistance or attention.  

Doctors are &quot;technically&quot; allowed to take proactive measures to make the child die because that would indeed be murder.  Placing an infant in a janitor&#039;s closet however is perfectly legal and acceptable.

There are some really gory details that I can go into, but quite frankly, just reading about them makes my stomach roll over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott,</p>
<p>As for frequency I will confirm that number for you.  I heard it on the radio just today.</p>
<p>As for how it&#8217;s done, the main way is called &#8220;shelving&#8221; where the baby is literally put into a pan or tray and then set aside to die without medical assistance or attention.  </p>
<p>Doctors are &#8220;technically&#8221; allowed to take proactive measures to make the child die because that would indeed be murder.  Placing an infant in a janitor&#8217;s closet however is perfectly legal and acceptable.</p>
<p>There are some really gory details that I can go into, but quite frankly, just reading about them makes my stomach roll over.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112934</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many babies are born alive during/after failed abortions, and then killed?  

And I do wonder how it&#039;s done, if there&#039;s a procedure, how it appears on a bill, stuff like that.  I&#039;d say that sounds morbid and even disgusting, but it&#039;s not murder or anything like that, right?  It&#039;s just a procedure to remove a parasite.

Also, when it comes to abortion...how come it&#039;s &quot;a woman&#039;s right to choose&quot;?  Seems to me the choice is made when both the mother and father choose to have sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I wonder how many babies are born alive during/after failed abortions, and then killed?  </p>
<p>And I do wonder how it&#8217;s done, if there&#8217;s a procedure, how it appears on a bill, stuff like that.  I&#8217;d say that sounds morbid and even disgusting, but it&#8217;s not murder or anything like that, right?  It&#8217;s just a procedure to remove a parasite.</p>
<p>Also, when it comes to abortion&#8230;how come it&#8217;s &#8220;a woman&#8217;s right to choose&#8221;?  Seems to me the choice is made when both the mother and father choose to have sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Reverse_Vampyr</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112919</link>
		<dc:creator>Reverse_Vampyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, Scott, it&#039;s very inaccurate to say an abortion doctor simply &quot;tosses the infant in the trash to die.&quot; Everyone knows that in Chicago&#039;s Christ Hospital, they have a special linen closet where unwanted babies are left to die. Get it straight, man!  ;)

Obama&#039;s dogmatic support of this heinous practice of blatant infanticide just defies my ability to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>C&#8217;mon, Scott, it&#8217;s very inaccurate to say an abortion doctor simply &#8220;tosses the infant in the trash to die.&#8221; Everyone knows that in Chicago&#8217;s Christ Hospital, they have a special linen closet where unwanted babies are left to die. Get it straight, man!  <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s dogmatic support of this heinous practice of blatant infanticide just defies my ability to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: WeatherOutpost12</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeatherOutpost12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not getting it Charlie (#9).   Abortion is not a right neither is it a liberty.   Liberty is in contraception, not in abortion.   Abortion is a murder that could have been prevented by contraception.   Careless and irresponsible men and women copulate with no conscience at all. 

War is very different.   War is to fight a greater evil.    Look at it as an amputation of a leg that could save someone&#039;s life.   When a country goes to war against evil, it is to save a greater majority of lives.   People are entitled to security, freedom and rights.     When some countries are in trouble, they always turn to the US to come and save them.   Why?   Because they know that the US fights for the good reasons, for democraty and freedom.    Funny, they never ask Iran or Iraq to help them... no, they ask the USA.   Nobody likes war and no one wants it, but sometimes it’s the only option on the table.   I hope you have followed my explanation, I have a hard time to write it, since I am French and not to familiar with English writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You are not getting it Charlie (#9).   Abortion is not a right neither is it a liberty.   Liberty is in contraception, not in abortion.   Abortion is a murder that could have been prevented by contraception.   Careless and irresponsible men and women copulate with no conscience at all. </p>
<p>War is very different.   War is to fight a greater evil.    Look at it as an amputation of a leg that could save someone&#8217;s life.   When a country goes to war against evil, it is to save a greater majority of lives.   People are entitled to security, freedom and rights.     When some countries are in trouble, they always turn to the US to come and save them.   Why?   Because they know that the US fights for the good reasons, for democraty and freedom.    Funny, they never ask Iran or Iraq to help them&#8230; no, they ask the USA.   Nobody likes war and no one wants it, but sometimes it’s the only option on the table.   I hope you have followed my explanation, I have a hard time to write it, since I am French and not to familiar with English writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Powerful Message: An Abortion Survivor Speaks Out In The BornAliveTruth.org Gianna ad &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Powerful Message: An Abortion Survivor Speaks Out In The BornAliveTruth.org Gianna ad &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/16/senator-barack-obama-on-abortion/#comment-112766</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Charles Keating sets new standards in blind partisanship.  Nice.  I say we leave it up there to see what kind of people support Barack &quot;Red White and Blue America&quot; Obama.  Truly a piece of work, and a GREAT display of why mental health medications should be nationally funded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wow, Charles Keating sets new standards in blind partisanship.  Nice.  I say we leave it up there to see what kind of people support Barack &#8220;Red White and Blue America&#8221; Obama.  Truly a piece of work, and a GREAT display of why mental health medications should be nationally funded.</p>
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