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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112465</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone want to tell me why the heck Annenberg and the Factcheck.org review of a McCain ad has entered this thread?  Afterall, neither have anything  to do with the subject of this post.

I kept reading the posts in front of Ron&#039;s cut/paste comment.  It&#039;s like a bolt out of the blue in context.

Fact is, the press and leftist blogs have been personally vendetta&#039;ing... er, vetting... Palin since her name was first announced.  And only a fraction of that has to do with her record as an elected official.  Even on that, the media and left blogs started with scandal and lies, and continue with mistruths and out of context timeline misinformation.

So I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s butt what Annenberg says about McCain or Obama&#039;s campaign advertising.  They are both dealing in soundbites... the nature of Politics.

Obama may try to distance himself from his merry gullible guppie followers, and say it is they who are running the sleaziest campaign in history and not him.

But wait... isn&#039;t he the master of the Internet, right after Al Gore?  Isn&#039;t he the one who created cyber hit squads to do hit and runs on websites for talking point clean ups?  Isn&#039;t it he who is king of the grassroots campaign?  And it is the grassroots campaign that is the slime, dealing in lies sans research.

Typical Chicago politics... have someone else do the dirty work for you, and keep your name out of it.  But somehow, the $160 mil he and Ayers spent on a failed educational experiment, and on campaigns for the &lt;strike&gt;LSD&lt;/strike&gt;  (uh... make that LSC... typo or freudian slip??  They had to be on drugs to think it&#039;d work...) friendly candidates speak volumes on two realms.

First, he can spend spend spend, and still show nothing for education reform.. or likely anything else.

Second, if his campaign is not involved behind the scenes, feeding scandal/lies talking points to the leftist bloggers, then he just isn&#039;t such a tech/new info age guru afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Someone want to tell me why the heck Annenberg and the Factcheck.org review of a McCain ad has entered this thread?  Afterall, neither have anything  to do with the subject of this post.</p>
<p>I kept reading the posts in front of Ron&#8217;s cut/paste comment.  It&#8217;s like a bolt out of the blue in context.</p>
<p>Fact is, the press and leftist blogs have been personally vendetta&#8217;ing&#8230; er, vetting&#8230; Palin since her name was first announced.  And only a fraction of that has to do with her record as an elected official.  Even on that, the media and left blogs started with scandal and lies, and continue with mistruths and out of context timeline misinformation.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s butt what Annenberg says about McCain or Obama&#8217;s campaign advertising.  They are both dealing in soundbites&#8230; the nature of Politics.</p>
<p>Obama may try to distance himself from his merry gullible guppie followers, and say it is they who are running the sleaziest campaign in history and not him.</p>
<p>But wait&#8230; isn&#8217;t he the master of the Internet, right after Al Gore?  Isn&#8217;t he the one who created cyber hit squads to do hit and runs on websites for talking point clean ups?  Isn&#8217;t it he who is king of the grassroots campaign?  And it is the grassroots campaign that is the slime, dealing in lies sans research.</p>
<p>Typical Chicago politics&#8230; have someone else do the dirty work for you, and keep your name out of it.  But somehow, the $160 mil he and Ayers spent on a failed educational experiment, and on campaigns for the <strike>LSD</strike>  (uh&#8230; make that LSC&#8230; typo or freudian slip??  They had to be on drugs to think it&#8217;d work&#8230;) friendly candidates speak volumes on two realms.</p>
<p>First, he can spend spend spend, and still show nothing for education reform.. or likely anything else.</p>
<p>Second, if his campaign is not involved behind the scenes, feeding scandal/lies talking points to the leftist bloggers, then he just isn&#8217;t such a tech/new info age guru afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112448</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Your links appear to be part of some tinfoilhat.org webring.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- Fit

Only to a blind, pea-brained monkey could they possibly appear that way.

&lt;b&gt;General rule for idiots&lt;/b&gt; - &lt;em&gt;&quot;If you can&#039;t debunk it, it&#039;s probably true, so try to slander it and hope no one checks.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><em>&#8220;Your links appear to be part of some tinfoilhat.org webring.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Fit</p>
<p>Only to a blind, pea-brained monkey could they possibly appear that way.</p>
<p><b>General rule for idiots</b> &#8211; <em>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t debunk it, it&#8217;s probably true, so try to slander it and hope no one checks.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112447</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yonason,

&quot;Clearly shows&quot;?  Your links appear to be part of some tinfoilhat.org webring.  Maybe I need to be wearing one of the hats in order for it to make sense.  

It&#039;s obvious you don&#039;t know anything about Walter Annenberg, it&#039;s been left out of the discussion cause it doesn&#039;t further the irrational meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>yonason,</p>
<p>&#8220;Clearly shows&#8221;?  Your links appear to be part of some tinfoilhat.org webring.  Maybe I need to be wearing one of the hats in order for it to make sense.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious you don&#8217;t know anything about Walter Annenberg, it&#8217;s been left out of the discussion cause it doesn&#8217;t further the irrational meme.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112445</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t Hillarity&#039;s supporters be this honest when it comes to her?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/?s=annenberg

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, and Washington Post media reporter Howard Kurtz have written analyses of the Obama ad. But they are as flawed as the ad itself.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-excuse-obamas-false-advertising/&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/

So, let&#039;s not waste time criticizing a general criticizm, which can ONLY be faulted for it&#039;s generality, NOT it&#039;s veracity.  Sometimes an overview of the problem is the best way to begin, and A. C. did a masterful job of generalizing it.  Now stop your yapping, and deal with the fact that the Annenberg Ctr., in general, and factcheck in particular, are in the tank for O&#039;Bunko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Why can&#8217;t Hillarity&#8217;s supporters be this honest when it comes to her?<br />
<a href="http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/?s=annenberg" rel="nofollow">http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/?s=annenberg</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, and Washington Post media reporter Howard Kurtz have written analyses of the Obama ad. But they are as flawed as the ad itself.<br />
<a href="http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-excuse-obamas-false-advertising/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-excuse-obamas-false-advertising/</a></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/</a></p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s not waste time criticizing a general criticizm, which can ONLY be faulted for it&#8217;s generality, NOT it&#8217;s veracity.  Sometimes an overview of the problem is the best way to begin, and A. C. did a masterful job of generalizing it.  Now stop your yapping, and deal with the fact that the Annenberg Ctr., in general, and factcheck in particular, are in the tank for O&#8217;Bunko.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Fit, stop lecturing Aye Chihuahua on giving his weak, though otherwise very logical, and impressively presented argument.  

Instead, focus on the material I gave which CLEARLY shows that &quot;factcheck&quot; is a tool of the Left, especially when it comes to running interference for the Leftist Socialist Dems.

I don&#039;t know the politics of Annenberg himself, but it doesn&#039;t matter what he may have wanted the Annenberg Ctr., to be; what matters is what it is now, and that is a Leftist institution dedicated to spreading Socialism.  How it got that way is immaterial.  What we need to deal with is the reality of what it is, and that is a 5th column element that endangers America, and by ectension, the World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Uh, Fit, stop lecturing Aye Chihuahua on giving his weak, though otherwise very logical, and impressively presented argument.  </p>
<p>Instead, focus on the material I gave which CLEARLY shows that &#8220;factcheck&#8221; is a tool of the Left, especially when it comes to running interference for the Leftist Socialist Dems.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the politics of Annenberg himself, but it doesn&#8217;t matter what he may have wanted the Annenberg Ctr., to be; what matters is what it is now, and that is a Leftist institution dedicated to spreading Socialism.  How it got that way is immaterial.  What we need to deal with is the reality of what it is, and that is a 5th column element that endangers America, and by ectension, the World.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye,

You&#039;re trying to imply the people who work on the FactCheck website are the same who worked on the Annenberg Challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Aye,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re trying to imply the people who work on the FactCheck website are the same who worked on the Annenberg Challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit fit,

That&#039;s funny.

Are you really trying to convince the readers here that just because the money originally came from a conservative donor that the organization itself will continue to be conservative?

Next you&#039;ll be using that logic to convince someone that Teresa Heinz-Kerry is conservative just because her money is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit fit,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p>Are you really trying to convince the readers here that just because the money originally came from a conservative donor that the organization itself will continue to be conservative?</p>
<p>Next you&#8217;ll be using that logic to convince someone that Teresa Heinz-Kerry is conservative just because her money is.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112434</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, that &quot;factcheck-dot-org&quot; is often right, except when it counts.

more examples...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40007
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib200
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/the-annenberg-f.html

And, in general, if you want to know the facts about &quot;factcheck.org&quot;, please go here
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/factchecking_th.php
where you wil find references that will be highly useful in determining the reliability (zero, on important matters) of the liars at the annenberg(pravda).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The fact is, that &#8220;factcheck-dot-org&#8221; is often right, except when it counts.</p>
<p>more examples&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40007" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40007</a><br />
<a href="http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib200" rel="nofollow">http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib200</a><br />
<a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/the-annenberg-f.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/the-annenberg-f.html</a></p>
<p>And, in general, if you want to know the facts about &#8220;factcheck.org&#8221;, please go here<br />
<a href="http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/factchecking_th.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/factchecking_th.php</a><br />
where you wil find references that will be highly useful in determining the reliability (zero, on important matters) of the liars at the annenberg(pravda).</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112432</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye Chihuahua,

Do you mean the Annenberg Foundation founded by by the very conservative publisher Walter Annenberg?  The guy who was an Ambassador for Nixon?  The guy who first introduced conservative godhead Ronald Reagan to the uber conservative Margaret Thatcher?  

That Annenberg Foundation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Aye Chihuahua,</p>
<p>Do you mean the Annenberg Foundation founded by by the very conservative publisher Walter Annenberg?  The guy who was an Ambassador for Nixon?  The guy who first introduced conservative godhead Ronald Reagan to the uber conservative Margaret Thatcher?  </p>
<p>That Annenberg Foundation?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/14/the-frenzied-msm-gets-one-right-a-dozen-wrong/#comment-112424</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye Chihuahua

Very nicely done!!

Have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/diaries/ben_domenech/2008/sep/05/fact-checking-factcheckorg-on-palins-speech/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;Fact Checking FactCheck.org on Palin&#039;s Speech &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;...let&#039;s assume my depiction of cosponsorship is dead wrong, and that charitably, as a cosponsor, Obama should receive credit as a coauthor of the &quot;Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007.&quot;

There&#039;s only one problem with that: Barack Obama was not a cosponsor of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007.

In other words, the only piece of legislation FactCheck.org claims as the basis for attacking Sarah Palin - their only citation for what is, by their measure, Obama&#039;s sole significant legislative act in the U.S. Senate - is a bill he did not cosponsor, did not write, and did not do much except comment on in the press.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And those Bozo&#039;s have the nerve to accuse Palin or McCain of lying?!

Ron, stop embarrassing yourself and go get a brain. Until then I recommend being quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Aye Chihuahua</p>
<p>Very nicely done!!</p>
<p>Have you seen <a href="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/ben_domenech/2008/sep/05/fact-checking-factcheckorg-on-palins-speech/" rel="nofollow"><b>&#8220;Fact Checking FactCheck.org on Palin&#8217;s Speech </b></a>?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;let&#8217;s assume my depiction of cosponsorship is dead wrong, and that charitably, as a cosponsor, Obama should receive credit as a coauthor of the &#8220;Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one problem with that: Barack Obama was not a cosponsor of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007.</p>
<p>In other words, the only piece of legislation FactCheck.org claims as the basis for attacking Sarah Palin &#8211; their only citation for what is, by their measure, Obama&#8217;s sole significant legislative act in the U.S. Senate &#8211; is a bill he did not cosponsor, did not write, and did not do much except comment on in the press.</p></blockquote>
<p>And those Bozo&#8217;s have the nerve to accuse Palin or McCain of lying?!</p>
<p>Ron, stop embarrassing yourself and go get a brain. Until then I recommend being quiet.</p>
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