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		<title>By: MariesTwoCents</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these Sarah Palin attack&#039;s are getting sickning.

PalinParanoia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>All these Sarah Palin attack&#8217;s are getting sickning.</p>
<p>PalinParanoia!</p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron- come up stairs, dinner is ready. Your homeroom teacher called, said you were using your time on things other than school work. You know we&#039;ve talked about this before, how do you expect to go to college that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ron- come up stairs, dinner is ready. Your homeroom teacher called, said you were using your time on things other than school work. You know we&#8217;ve talked about this before, how do you expect to go to college that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/09/the-msm-in-desperate-mode/#comment-111038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good try.  I&#039;ll help you out.

Lets suppose this, you&#039;re Chairman of a Board for 5 years and you were responsible for providing direction to where $160 Million dollars would be spent, under what circumstances would you NOT put this on your Resume?  

It would probably be because you were a failure, and didn&#039;t want anyone to find out.  Other than not putting it on a resume, what else would you do?  

Probably hire lawyers whenever someone tried to associate you with someone that was involved on that board - like the Obama lawyers did when the commercial questioning his ties to William Ayers.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBYweUSbFY

Then you would probably get all of your minions to call into a radio station with nonsense talking points when someone was discussing what you did as Chairman.  Like the Obama did when WGN&#039;s Milt Rosenberg had Dr. Kurtz on his show.  http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3

You probably would even figure out how to get some of the records sealed, by having the former Director of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Ken Rolling, contact UIC and tell them not to release any of the documents. - http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/annenberg-gate-update-did-university.html

This is a Chicago Politician who wouldn&#039;t endorse the reform candidate running for the Cook County Board President - Forrest Claypool - http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/06/obamas_no_i_cant_moment.html  Chicago now has the highest sales tax rate in the nation.

Obama has won his previous elections by disqualifying, smearing and figuring out how to get the media to do his dirty work - David Axelrod handled Obama 2004 Senate campaign and got WLS-Channel 7 TV and the Chicago Tribune to fight to get Jack Ryan&#039;s child custody records unsealed.  After WLS and the Tribune filed lawsuits in a California court, Obama called on fellow Democrats to refrain from trying to inject the information from these records into the campaign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)  This little wink/wink act didn&#039;t stop the media, the records were unsealed, which resulted in Jack Ryan dropping out of the race, and Alan Keyes coming in as an outsider, allowing Obama to run almost unopposed.

By the way, do you know what race Obama Lost? - It was the 2000 primary race against Bobby Rush, Obama lost by 30 points.  What did Rush say about Obama later?

&quot;Barack is a person who read about the civil-rights protests and thinks he knows all about it,” Mr. Rush told The Reader.&quot;

Axelrod and Obama, trying to do the same thing they did in 2004 - get the media to do your dirty work.  Are you going to fall for it again?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Good try.  I&#8217;ll help you out.</p>
<p>Lets suppose this, you&#8217;re Chairman of a Board for 5 years and you were responsible for providing direction to where $160 Million dollars would be spent, under what circumstances would you NOT put this on your Resume?  </p>
<p>It would probably be because you were a failure, and didn&#8217;t want anyone to find out.  Other than not putting it on a resume, what else would you do?  </p>
<p>Probably hire lawyers whenever someone tried to associate you with someone that was involved on that board &#8211; like the Obama lawyers did when the commercial questioning his ties to William Ayers.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBYweUSbFY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBYweUSbFY</a></p>
<p>Then you would probably get all of your minions to call into a radio station with nonsense talking points when someone was discussing what you did as Chairman.  Like the Obama did when WGN&#8217;s Milt Rosenberg had Dr. Kurtz on his show.  <a href="http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3</a></p>
<p>You probably would even figure out how to get some of the records sealed, by having the former Director of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Ken Rolling, contact UIC and tell them not to release any of the documents. &#8211; <a href="http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/annenberg-gate-update-did-university.html" rel="nofollow">http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/annenberg-gate-update-did-university.html</a></p>
<p>This is a Chicago Politician who wouldn&#8217;t endorse the reform candidate running for the Cook County Board President &#8211; Forrest Claypool &#8211; <a href="http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/06/obamas_no_i_cant_moment.html" rel="nofollow">http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/06/obamas_no_i_cant_moment.html</a>  Chicago now has the highest sales tax rate in the nation.</p>
<p>Obama has won his previous elections by disqualifying, smearing and figuring out how to get the media to do his dirty work &#8211; David Axelrod handled Obama 2004 Senate campaign and got WLS-Channel 7 TV and the Chicago Tribune to fight to get Jack Ryan&#8217;s child custody records unsealed.  After WLS and the Tribune filed lawsuits in a California court, Obama called on fellow Democrats to refrain from trying to inject the information from these records into the campaign <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)</a>  This little wink/wink act didn&#8217;t stop the media, the records were unsealed, which resulted in Jack Ryan dropping out of the race, and Alan Keyes coming in as an outsider, allowing Obama to run almost unopposed.</p>
<p>By the way, do you know what race Obama Lost? &#8211; It was the 2000 primary race against Bobby Rush, Obama lost by 30 points.  What did Rush say about Obama later?</p>
<p>&#8220;Barack is a person who read about the civil-rights protests and thinks he knows all about it,” Mr. Rush told The Reader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Axelrod and Obama, trying to do the same thing they did in 2004 &#8211; get the media to do your dirty work.  Are you going to fall for it again?.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/09/the-msm-in-desperate-mode/#comment-111034</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron:
Touche. You really got me with your rapier wit and superior intellect. Gosh, I guess I will go slash my wrists.

Clowns like you are an insidieous disease that inhabits the internet trying to make people think you are smart. Well, I have news for you: you can&#039;t be very smart to swallow all the bilge you have regurgitated from KOS.

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ron:<br />
Touche. You really got me with your rapier wit and superior intellect. Gosh, I guess I will go slash my wrists.</p>
<p>Clowns like you are an insidieous disease that inhabits the internet trying to make people think you are smart. Well, I have news for you: you can&#8217;t be very smart to swallow all the bilge you have regurgitated from KOS.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right so..........

FactChecking Obama


August 29, 2008
He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.
Summary
We checked the accuracy of Obama&#039;s speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:

Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts. 
He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just &#039;muddle through&#039; in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.


He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in. 
Obama asked why McCain would &quot;define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year&quot;? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, &quot;But seriously ...&quot; 
Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would &quot;tax people’s benefits&quot; but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.


He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s &quot;broken with his party,&quot; has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.


Obama said &quot;average family income&quot; went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn&#039;t correct. An aide said he was really talking only about &quot;working&quot; families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You&#8217;re right so&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>FactChecking Obama</p>
<p>August 29, 2008<br />
He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.<br />
Summary<br />
We checked the accuracy of Obama&#8217;s speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:</p>
<p>Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.<br />
He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just &#8216;muddle through&#8217; in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.</p>
<p>He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.<br />
Obama asked why McCain would &#8220;define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year&#8221;? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, &#8220;But seriously &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would &#8220;tax people’s benefits&#8221; but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.</p>
<p>He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s &#8220;broken with his party,&#8221; has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.</p>
<p>Obama said &#8220;average family income&#8221; went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn&#8217;t correct. An aide said he was really talking only about &#8220;working&#8221; families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ron,

Why don&#039;t you spend some time doing some fact checking on Obama?  Obama was Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 - 2001.  During that time, he was responsible for giving out grants amounting to almost $160 Million dollars to help improve Chicago Schools.  

This money went to ethnic and social programs like these:

$632,662 to Small Schools Workshop, started by Mike Klonsky and William Ayers, created to push their school reform agenda.

$413,000 to the South Shore African Village Collaborative for their &quot;Celebrate African-American Holiday of Juneteenth&quot; (celebrating the Emancipation Proclamation). Some African-Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead of the Fourth of July. 

and many more...

Turned down to receive a grant:

The Chicago Algebra Project: goal to increase student achievement

The District 5 Math Initiative: goal to aid Hispanic students in the process of learning English, to further learn math and science. 

and many more programs designed to advance student fundamentals.

The final findings report showed &quot;there were no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools.&quot; 

$160 MILLION dollars Zero results, this is the extent of Obama&#039;s executive experience, and he has had his minions do everything possible to obstruct this record.  See http://www.globallabor.blogspot.com/ to help you start your fact checking.

I&#039;ll take someone like McCain/Palin who have accomplished something over someone that has failed to accomplish something but talks about what they are going to accomplish in the future.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Hey Ron,</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you spend some time doing some fact checking on Obama?  Obama was Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 &#8211; 2001.  During that time, he was responsible for giving out grants amounting to almost $160 Million dollars to help improve Chicago Schools.  </p>
<p>This money went to ethnic and social programs like these:</p>
<p>$632,662 to Small Schools Workshop, started by Mike Klonsky and William Ayers, created to push their school reform agenda.</p>
<p>$413,000 to the South Shore African Village Collaborative for their &#8220;Celebrate African-American Holiday of Juneteenth&#8221; (celebrating the Emancipation Proclamation). Some African-Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead of the Fourth of July. </p>
<p>and many more&#8230;</p>
<p>Turned down to receive a grant:</p>
<p>The Chicago Algebra Project: goal to increase student achievement</p>
<p>The District 5 Math Initiative: goal to aid Hispanic students in the process of learning English, to further learn math and science. </p>
<p>and many more programs designed to advance student fundamentals.</p>
<p>The final findings report showed &#8220;there were no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools.&#8221; </p>
<p>$160 MILLION dollars Zero results, this is the extent of Obama&#8217;s executive experience, and he has had his minions do everything possible to obstruct this record.  See <a href="http://www.globallabor.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.globallabor.blogspot.com/</a> to help you start your fact checking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take someone like McCain/Palin who have accomplished something over someone that has failed to accomplish something but talks about what they are going to accomplish in the future.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s exactly what Curt posted:


The Left is Flailing At Sarah Palin
Posted by: Curt @ 6:52 pm in Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Sarah Palin
Viewed 708 times, 439 so far today 

Some silly partisan hack up in Alaska is doing her best to try and discredit Palin. Anne Kilkenny is a Democrat who supposedly knows Sarah and just wanted the populace to know what a “monster” she is. So she sent out a email that went a bit viral within the lefty ranks and since the tabloid newspaper McClatchy hasn’t met a liberal conspiracy they didn’t like they ran with it and put the email up on their front page.

In the email she makes plenty of accusations about Palin and FactCheck.org went through it all and found it…well, wanting.



Gosh...it seems Curt used the same source I did. Why can he sight them and i can&#039;t?

I also said that Democrats lie too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Here&#8217;s exactly what Curt posted:</p>
<p>The Left is Flailing At Sarah Palin<br />
Posted by: Curt @ 6:52 pm in Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Sarah Palin<br />
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<p>Some silly partisan hack up in Alaska is doing her best to try and discredit Palin. Anne Kilkenny is a Democrat who supposedly knows Sarah and just wanted the populace to know what a “monster” she is. So she sent out a email that went a bit viral within the lefty ranks and since the tabloid newspaper McClatchy hasn’t met a liberal conspiracy they didn’t like they ran with it and put the email up on their front page.</p>
<p>In the email she makes plenty of accusations about Palin and FactCheck.org went through it all and found it…well, wanting.</p>
<p>Gosh&#8230;it seems Curt used the same source I did. Why can he sight them and i can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>I also said that Democrats lie too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/09/the-msm-in-desperate-mode/#comment-111003</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really and your proof of that statement is........? Also Chuck, scroll down a bit and you&#039;ll notice that Curt linked to Factcheck.org for a debunking of the Palin email. If it&#039;s good enough for debunking that lie then I think it&#039;s good enough for debunking others. I didn&#039;t state it as gospel I merely pasted it from Factcheck.org&#039;s website. Chuck since you know so much, why not email Factcheck and challenge their data. Nah, that would require a brain...something you don&#039;t have.

Also, notice they also debunk Democrats lies too. It&#039;s called a non-partisan website. You wouldn&#039;t know about that either.

Pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Really and your proof of that statement is&#8230;&#8230;..? Also Chuck, scroll down a bit and you&#8217;ll notice that Curt linked to Factcheck.org for a debunking of the Palin email. If it&#8217;s good enough for debunking that lie then I think it&#8217;s good enough for debunking others. I didn&#8217;t state it as gospel I merely pasted it from Factcheck.org&#8217;s website. Chuck since you know so much, why not email Factcheck and challenge their data. Nah, that would require a brain&#8230;something you don&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>Also, notice they also debunk Democrats lies too. It&#8217;s called a non-partisan website. You wouldn&#8217;t know about that either.</p>
<p>Pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/09/the-msm-in-desperate-mode/#comment-110998</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron:
How much are the Democrats and KOS paying you to spout this tripe. Everything you stated as gospel has already been proved false. I guess some people are always a day late and a dollar short.

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ron:<br />
How much are the Democrats and KOS paying you to spout this tripe. Everything you stated as gospel has already been proved false. I guess some people are always a day late and a dollar short.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/09/the-msm-in-desperate-mode/#comment-110990</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern
September 2, 2008

A McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans &quot;painful tax increases&quot; for working families. And who&#039;s talking about deficits?
Summary
McCain&#039;s new ad puts another stitch in what we&#039;ve called his pattern of deceit on Obama&#039;s tax plan. This one claims Obama and congressional Democrats plan to push forward &quot;painful tax increases on working American families&quot; and that they will bring about &quot;years of deficits,&quot; &quot;no balanced budgets&quot; and &quot;billions in new government spending.&quot;  

The ad is plain wrong about higher taxes on working families. In fact, Obama&#039;s economic plan would produce a tax cut for the majority of American households, with middle-income earners benefiting most. As for &quot;years of deficits,&quot; exactly the same claim could be made about McCain&#039;s program. It&#039;s unlikely either Obama or McCain would balance the budget, and both are projected to increase the debt by trillions.

Analysis
We&#039;ve already reported on at least three other ads, in both Spanish and English, from Sen. John McCain&#039;s campaign that distort his rival&#039;s tax policy. The ads claim that, for example, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama would raise taxes &quot;on the sale of your home&quot; and that he has a &quot;history of raising taxes&quot; and that he wanted to raise taxes on &quot;families&quot; making just $42,000 a year.

Claims like these have led us to say that McCain&#039;s campaign is engaging in a &quot;pattern of deceit&quot; when it comes to describing Obama&#039;s tax plan. This most recent ad fits right into the template.


Tax Counter-Spin
The ad says Obama and “out of touch Congressional leaders” plan to implement “painful tax increases on working American families,” and it shows an image of a family presumably upset about an impending tax increase. But, as we&#039;ve reported numerous times, Obama proposes a tax cut for the vast majority of households.


John McCain 2008 Ad:
&quot;Expensive Plans&quot;

Crowd: Obama, Obama…

Announcer: Take away the crowds, the chants. All that’s left are costly words. Barack Obama and out of touch congressional leaders have expensive plans. Billions in government spending, years of deficits, no balanced budgets, and painful tax increases on working American families. They’re ready to tax, ready to spend, but not ready to lead.


We spoke with Len Berman, director of the nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, which has produced one of the most authoritative analyses of the two candidates’ tax plans. When we asked him if Obama’s claim that he would “cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families” was true, Berman told FactCheck.org that it was “consistent with our estimates.” Overall, the TPC found that Obama’s plan would produce a tax cut for 81.3 percent of all households, and a cut for 95.5 percent of all households with children.

Under Obama&#039;s plan, the TPC estimates that people (or couples) making between $37,595 and $66,354 a year would see an average savings of  $1,118 on their taxes.  

Under McCain&#039;s plan, on the other hand, those same individuals would save $325 on average — $793 less than the average savings under Obama&#039;s plan. 

Put It on Our Tab


The ad also claims that Obama and congressional Democrats would bring about &quot;years of deficits.&quot; But (and we&#039;ve reported this before, too), the fact is both candidates&#039; economic plans would fail to bring an end to deficit spending, and by that measure, McCain&#039;s is worse than Obama&#039;s. According to the TPC analysis, Obama&#039;s tax plan would increase the debt by $3.5 trillion by 2018, while McCain&#039;s plan would bring about a projected $5 trillion increase in the same time frame. The TPC also found that: 


Tax Policy Center (Aug 28): Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.

The Obama campaign maintains that the Tax Policy Center&#039;s estimates don&#039;t account for Obama&#039;s proposed spending cuts, including things like ending the Iraq war. But those cuts will not come close to balancing the budget, and Obama has avoided promising a balanced budget during his first term. 


McCain, however, has said he will balance the budget by 2013. Experts remain skeptical. In early July, The New York Times quoted Robert L. Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition — a bipartisan fiscal responsibility advocacy group — as saying the claim was &quot;unlikely&quot;:


Robert L. Bixby (as quoted by The New York Times, July 8): It’s feasible to balance the budget by 2013, but very unlikely under the policies Senator McCain has proposed. The spending cuts are far too vague to be counted on for significant savings and, even if they were more specific, I can’t see how they would come close to offsetting the level of tax cuts he recommends. 

McCain senior economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin sent The Washington Post&#039;s editorial board a copy of McCain&#039;s plan in support of the candidate&#039;s claim. But the board concluded, in its July 14 editorial, that the plan was &quot;not credible.&quot; 


So the ad&#039;s claims about deficit spending and &quot;no balanced budgets&quot;? They could be applied just as easily to McCain as to Obama and the Dems. And we&#039;re not sure McCain really wants to go there. 

Sorry about all the cutting and pasting and yes it&#039;s all from factcheck.org. I&#039;m simply making the point that Republicans can be just as dishonest and loose with the fact as Democrats.

Neither side is faultless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern<br />
September 2, 2008</p>
<p>A McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans &#8220;painful tax increases&#8221; for working families. And who&#8217;s talking about deficits?<br />
Summary<br />
McCain&#8217;s new ad puts another stitch in what we&#8217;ve called his pattern of deceit on Obama&#8217;s tax plan. This one claims Obama and congressional Democrats plan to push forward &#8220;painful tax increases on working American families&#8221; and that they will bring about &#8220;years of deficits,&#8221; &#8220;no balanced budgets&#8221; and &#8220;billions in new government spending.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The ad is plain wrong about higher taxes on working families. In fact, Obama&#8217;s economic plan would produce a tax cut for the majority of American households, with middle-income earners benefiting most. As for &#8220;years of deficits,&#8221; exactly the same claim could be made about McCain&#8217;s program. It&#8217;s unlikely either Obama or McCain would balance the budget, and both are projected to increase the debt by trillions.</p>
<p>Analysis<br />
We&#8217;ve already reported on at least three other ads, in both Spanish and English, from Sen. John McCain&#8217;s campaign that distort his rival&#8217;s tax policy. The ads claim that, for example, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama would raise taxes &#8220;on the sale of your home&#8221; and that he has a &#8220;history of raising taxes&#8221; and that he wanted to raise taxes on &#8220;families&#8221; making just $42,000 a year.</p>
<p>Claims like these have led us to say that McCain&#8217;s campaign is engaging in a &#8220;pattern of deceit&#8221; when it comes to describing Obama&#8217;s tax plan. This most recent ad fits right into the template.</p>
<p>Tax Counter-Spin<br />
The ad says Obama and “out of touch Congressional leaders” plan to implement “painful tax increases on working American families,” and it shows an image of a family presumably upset about an impending tax increase. But, as we&#8217;ve reported numerous times, Obama proposes a tax cut for the vast majority of households.</p>
<p>John McCain 2008 Ad:<br />
&#8220;Expensive Plans&#8221;</p>
<p>Crowd: Obama, Obama…</p>
<p>Announcer: Take away the crowds, the chants. All that’s left are costly words. Barack Obama and out of touch congressional leaders have expensive plans. Billions in government spending, years of deficits, no balanced budgets, and painful tax increases on working American families. They’re ready to tax, ready to spend, but not ready to lead.</p>
<p>We spoke with Len Berman, director of the nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, which has produced one of the most authoritative analyses of the two candidates’ tax plans. When we asked him if Obama’s claim that he would “cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families” was true, Berman told FactCheck.org that it was “consistent with our estimates.” Overall, the TPC found that Obama’s plan would produce a tax cut for 81.3 percent of all households, and a cut for 95.5 percent of all households with children.</p>
<p>Under Obama&#8217;s plan, the TPC estimates that people (or couples) making between $37,595 and $66,354 a year would see an average savings of  $1,118 on their taxes.  </p>
<p>Under McCain&#8217;s plan, on the other hand, those same individuals would save $325 on average — $793 less than the average savings under Obama&#8217;s plan. </p>
<p>Put It on Our Tab</p>
<p>The ad also claims that Obama and congressional Democrats would bring about &#8220;years of deficits.&#8221; But (and we&#8217;ve reported this before, too), the fact is both candidates&#8217; economic plans would fail to bring an end to deficit spending, and by that measure, McCain&#8217;s is worse than Obama&#8217;s. According to the TPC analysis, Obama&#8217;s tax plan would increase the debt by $3.5 trillion by 2018, while McCain&#8217;s plan would bring about a projected $5 trillion increase in the same time frame. The TPC also found that: </p>
<p>Tax Policy Center (Aug 28): Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.</p>
<p>The Obama campaign maintains that the Tax Policy Center&#8217;s estimates don&#8217;t account for Obama&#8217;s proposed spending cuts, including things like ending the Iraq war. But those cuts will not come close to balancing the budget, and Obama has avoided promising a balanced budget during his first term. </p>
<p>McCain, however, has said he will balance the budget by 2013. Experts remain skeptical. In early July, The New York Times quoted Robert L. Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition — a bipartisan fiscal responsibility advocacy group — as saying the claim was &#8220;unlikely&#8221;:</p>
<p>Robert L. Bixby (as quoted by The New York Times, July 8): It’s feasible to balance the budget by 2013, but very unlikely under the policies Senator McCain has proposed. The spending cuts are far too vague to be counted on for significant savings and, even if they were more specific, I can’t see how they would come close to offsetting the level of tax cuts he recommends. </p>
<p>McCain senior economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin sent The Washington Post&#8217;s editorial board a copy of McCain&#8217;s plan in support of the candidate&#8217;s claim. But the board concluded, in its July 14 editorial, that the plan was &#8220;not credible.&#8221; </p>
<p>So the ad&#8217;s claims about deficit spending and &#8220;no balanced budgets&#8221;? They could be applied just as easily to McCain as to Obama and the Dems. And we&#8217;re not sure McCain really wants to go there. </p>
<p>Sorry about all the cutting and pasting and yes it&#8217;s all from factcheck.org. I&#8217;m simply making the point that Republicans can be just as dishonest and loose with the fact as Democrats.</p>
<p>Neither side is faultless.</p>
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