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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-112498</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I don&#039;t know what America you live in, but the one I live in has not lost their dreams.  But they are losing their orientation.

Of course ordinary people do extraordinary things.  You think it&#039;s only since Obama happened upon the US soil that this is true?  The task we are charged with for ensuing generations is to make sure our nation continues making it possible for ordinary people to do extraordinary things.  And that doesn&#039;t mean taking more of their paycheck and removing all incentive and drive.

Clarifying... Obama will &quot;cut&quot; taxes, but only after he raises taxes by sunsetting the Bush tax cuts.  Then, if that&#039;s not enough, he&#039;ll be adding new taxes for energy, education... etc etc.  But Obama only wants to talk about IRS taxes because the rest of it sorta redacts his talking point.

Take away even the most modest of  financial means needed to become extraordinary, and we all become ordinary and homogenous.  

Worse yet, if we make &quot;too much&quot; money, or a windfall, Obama&#039;s government will remove that extra cash on hand and redistribute it.  Then it takes away the incentive to become extraordinary... why, only to lose it?  and we again become ordinary and homogenous... but more &quot;equal&quot;. 

In short, the man talks alot about extraordinary and excellence, yet proposes to destroy both the means and incentive to be excellent.

As far as American staying &quot;content&quot; with it&#039;s past achievements... you must be a yout, guy.  Because the advances in everything from technology and medicine to industry has been a sight to behold.

Obviously, you are like Obama... this country isn&#039;t what it once was... or could be, eh?  You listen to words and become mesmerized.  Yet you ignore history and achievements, in which you should be awed.  Your tunnel vision and discontent is manufactured by you.  And that shall make you one of those who is content to remain &quot;ordinary&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Jerry, I don&#8217;t know what America you live in, but the one I live in has not lost their dreams.  But they are losing their orientation.</p>
<p>Of course ordinary people do extraordinary things.  You think it&#8217;s only since Obama happened upon the US soil that this is true?  The task we are charged with for ensuing generations is to make sure our nation continues making it possible for ordinary people to do extraordinary things.  And that doesn&#8217;t mean taking more of their paycheck and removing all incentive and drive.</p>
<p>Clarifying&#8230; Obama will &#8220;cut&#8221; taxes, but only after he raises taxes by sunsetting the Bush tax cuts.  Then, if that&#8217;s not enough, he&#8217;ll be adding new taxes for energy, education&#8230; etc etc.  But Obama only wants to talk about IRS taxes because the rest of it sorta redacts his talking point.</p>
<p>Take away even the most modest of  financial means needed to become extraordinary, and we all become ordinary and homogenous.  </p>
<p>Worse yet, if we make &#8220;too much&#8221; money, or a windfall, Obama&#8217;s government will remove that extra cash on hand and redistribute it.  Then it takes away the incentive to become extraordinary&#8230; why, only to lose it?  and we again become ordinary and homogenous&#8230; but more &#8220;equal&#8221;. </p>
<p>In short, the man talks alot about extraordinary and excellence, yet proposes to destroy both the means and incentive to be excellent.</p>
<p>As far as American staying &#8220;content&#8221; with it&#8217;s past achievements&#8230; you must be a yout, guy.  Because the advances in everything from technology and medicine to industry has been a sight to behold.</p>
<p>Obviously, you are like Obama&#8230; this country isn&#8217;t what it once was&#8230; or could be, eh?  You listen to words and become mesmerized.  Yet you ignore history and achievements, in which you should be awed.  Your tunnel vision and discontent is manufactured by you.  And that shall make you one of those who is content to remain &#8220;ordinary&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-112485</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I used to think that too.  I really did, but I haven&#039;t seen him lead anyone to do anything other than play the same old politics game with the same old fervent partisanship.  Take for example (among MANY) the way people went after Sarah Palin&#039;s 17yr old daughter or even her youngest daughter who was trying her best to fix her baby brother&#039;s hair.  Sen Obama said, stop, families are off limits, and it did nothing.  He inspires, he motivates, and he can excite.  He can even instill hope, but it&#039;s a false hope because there&#039;s no substance, no steak to follow the sizzle or the scent.  At best, he had 18,000,001 people supporting him before the convention-out of 300,000,000.  What have they done?  Have the Democratic Party&#039;s &quot;liberal&quot; base opened their minds and opened their arms to Republicans and a spirit of compromise like the one he painted an image of in his acceptance speech?  No way.  The hatred is seething.  So-called, self-proclaimed &quot;liberals&quot; are not anymore.  They&#039;re more often than not party lemmings who hate all that challenges them, and fight against people and ideas rather then open up to them.  Rather than seeking compromise to get things done, today&#039;s Democratic Party-led by Senator Obama-prefers to ram things down people&#039;s throats.

Please show me where I&#039;m wrong.  What has Senator Obama led people to do that has more value to the country than to their party and their candidate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Jerry, I used to think that too.  I really did, but I haven&#8217;t seen him lead anyone to do anything other than play the same old politics game with the same old fervent partisanship.  Take for example (among MANY) the way people went after Sarah Palin&#8217;s 17yr old daughter or even her youngest daughter who was trying her best to fix her baby brother&#8217;s hair.  Sen Obama said, stop, families are off limits, and it did nothing.  He inspires, he motivates, and he can excite.  He can even instill hope, but it&#8217;s a false hope because there&#8217;s no substance, no steak to follow the sizzle or the scent.  At best, he had 18,000,001 people supporting him before the convention-out of 300,000,000.  What have they done?  Have the Democratic Party&#8217;s &#8220;liberal&#8221; base opened their minds and opened their arms to Republicans and a spirit of compromise like the one he painted an image of in his acceptance speech?  No way.  The hatred is seething.  So-called, self-proclaimed &#8220;liberals&#8221; are not anymore.  They&#8217;re more often than not party lemmings who hate all that challenges them, and fight against people and ideas rather then open up to them.  Rather than seeking compromise to get things done, today&#8217;s Democratic Party-led by Senator Obama-prefers to ram things down people&#8217;s throats.</p>
<p>Please show me where I&#8217;m wrong.  What has Senator Obama led people to do that has more value to the country than to their party and their candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-112475</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Obama is trying to inspire Americans to dream again, just like president JFK did. America has been and is still the greatest nation on earth because of leaders like JFK who chose the frontiers, inspired and challenged Americans to bring the best out of themselves via research etc and make it happen. The rest of the world watched in awe as America sent the first man to the moon. All this possible because a great leader (JFK) inspired ordinary citizens to do extraordinary things. 

Through his community service to this great nation, that was how senator Obama came to understand this concept, that ordinary people can do extraordinary things when inspired. Now he wants to take that to the next level, he wants to inspire America again. Its been over 30 years since America landed a man on the moon. If America stays content with its past achievements, other hard working countries may take our place (China is an example, all of us watched the olympics and saw that China was aiming for the Gold medals).

Can senator obama inspire? My answer is YES. Why? All of us have seen the large turn outs during the primaries, ordinary people volunteering and donating to the Obama campaign via the internet etc. Senator obama has even inspired senator Mccain to accept the message of change. President JFK said, &quot;Think about what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you&quot;. 

Senator Obama has proven that he is a leader who can inspire, and when ordinay citizens are inpired and made to beleive again, they will do great things for thier country. So I guess after all that this country has been trhough the last eight years, it&#039;s time for us to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Senator Obama is trying to inspire Americans to dream again, just like president JFK did. America has been and is still the greatest nation on earth because of leaders like JFK who chose the frontiers, inspired and challenged Americans to bring the best out of themselves via research etc and make it happen. The rest of the world watched in awe as America sent the first man to the moon. All this possible because a great leader (JFK) inspired ordinary citizens to do extraordinary things. </p>
<p>Through his community service to this great nation, that was how senator Obama came to understand this concept, that ordinary people can do extraordinary things when inspired. Now he wants to take that to the next level, he wants to inspire America again. Its been over 30 years since America landed a man on the moon. If America stays content with its past achievements, other hard working countries may take our place (China is an example, all of us watched the olympics and saw that China was aiming for the Gold medals).</p>
<p>Can senator obama inspire? My answer is YES. Why? All of us have seen the large turn outs during the primaries, ordinary people volunteering and donating to the Obama campaign via the internet etc. Senator obama has even inspired senator Mccain to accept the message of change. President JFK said, &#8220;Think about what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you&#8221;. </p>
<p>Senator Obama has proven that he is a leader who can inspire, and when ordinay citizens are inpired and made to beleive again, they will do great things for thier country. So I guess after all that this country has been trhough the last eight years, it&#8217;s time for us to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110453</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;McCain said that out of respect he wouldn’t detract or distract from the moment with competing campaigning that night.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well...to follow &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110367&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mata&#039;s lead&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;em&gt;&quot;Gawd… I hate it when I have to defend him. heh heh&quot;&lt;/em&gt;), by doing the ad, however genuine it might have been (perhaps both genuine and political- of course it is!), he did distract, and subsequently detract by the appearance of being so thoughtful and respectful to his political opponent.  He basically out-Obama&#039;d Obama (think along the lines of being &quot;a new kind of politician&quot;, uniting and not dividing, being respectful and above petty partisan bickering and mudslinging, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>McCain said that out of respect he wouldn’t detract or distract from the moment with competing campaigning that night.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well&#8230;to follow <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110367" rel="nofollow">Mata&#8217;s lead</a> (<em>&#8220;Gawd… I hate it when I have to defend him. heh heh&#8221;</em>), by doing the ad, however genuine it might have been (perhaps both genuine and political- of course it is!), he did distract, and subsequently detract by the appearance of being so thoughtful and respectful to his political opponent.  He basically out-Obama&#8217;d Obama (think along the lines of being &#8220;a new kind of politician&#8221;, uniting and not dividing, being respectful and above petty partisan bickering and mudslinging, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, did Obama take the day off from campaigning like McCain?  Nope.  He did the interview, held a press conference, campaigned in several different states.  Did he run a congrats spot like McCain did even though he&#039;s got several times the amount of money McCain does?  Nope.  Did he say, &quot;Hey Bill, don&#039;t run this till tomorrow&quot;  I strongly doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Eric, did Obama take the day off from campaigning like McCain?  Nope.  He did the interview, held a press conference, campaigned in several different states.  Did he run a congrats spot like McCain did even though he&#8217;s got several times the amount of money McCain does?  Nope.  Did he say, &#8220;Hey Bill, don&#8217;t run this till tomorrow&#8221;  I strongly doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far be it from me to defend Obama, but blaming him for trying to upstage McCain&#039;s speech is a bit of a stretch.  That interview was pre-recorded and is being aired by Fox over a series of 3 or 4 nights.  Fox didn&#039;t have to air the first installment on the night of McCain&#039;s speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Far be it from me to defend Obama, but blaming him for trying to upstage McCain&#8217;s speech is a bit of a stretch.  That interview was pre-recorded and is being aired by Fox over a series of 3 or 4 nights.  Fox didn&#8217;t have to air the first installment on the night of McCain&#8217;s speech.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

The problem is that Obama&#039;s plans have changed so much lately.  I am of the school that says he only says these are now his plans.  If he were elected he would go right back to his original plans.  He is lying to get moderate and independent votes.  He is liberal to the core and he will govern as a liberal.  All these flip flops will be shoved in the wastebasket and he will go back to his original stands.  The president has too much power for us to believe a known liar and let him have this office.  Besides, I, for one, do not want a cocaine user (whether present or former) in the president&#039;s office.  He admitted he used it at one time in his twenties.  Does anyone ever recover from cocaine use?  BTW, that might explain his missing two years at Columbia..lost in a cocaine haze.  And, on another note, would a cocaine user, present or former, pass security clearances?  I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott,</p>
<p>The problem is that Obama&#8217;s plans have changed so much lately.  I am of the school that says he only says these are now his plans.  If he were elected he would go right back to his original plans.  He is lying to get moderate and independent votes.  He is liberal to the core and he will govern as a liberal.  All these flip flops will be shoved in the wastebasket and he will go back to his original stands.  The president has too much power for us to believe a known liar and let him have this office.  Besides, I, for one, do not want a cocaine user (whether present or former) in the president&#8217;s office.  He admitted he used it at one time in his twenties.  Does anyone ever recover from cocaine use?  BTW, that might explain his missing two years at Columbia..lost in a cocaine haze.  And, on another note, would a cocaine user, present or former, pass security clearances?  I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110371</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin,
I hope you&#039;ll go back to the original post in this thread and click on the links in the line, 
&quot;On Al Queda, the Senator said that Al Queda and the invasion of Iraq were not related. That’s completely false.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Erin,<br />
I hope you&#8217;ll go back to the original post in this thread and click on the links in the line,<br />
&#8220;On Al Queda, the Senator said that Al Queda and the invasion of Iraq were not related. That’s completely false.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110369</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree on the air date Mata.  Obama went in to do the interview after a loooooooooong wait to do it.  No way anyone could have expected O&#039;Reilly to hold on to it until after the convention.  If Obama DID want to demonstrate respect as McCain did for him, then Obama would have waited until Friday or late on Thurs to do it.  Nah, after that Palin speech I think Gov Obama-err, Senator Obama was so upset that he&#039;d finally been called out (ironically in far less of a fashion than he himself did in his own acceptance speech re John McCain)...I think Sen Obama was willing to do anything to get back on the free-advertising air waves-including do the O&#039;Reilly interview.

If Republicans are smart, they&#039;ll put Palin on as often as they can, typically in softball interviews (Larry King, Fox, Oprah, etc), and in those interviews she&#039;ll do exactly what Sen Obama&#039;s doing lately.  In an interview yesterday, he said, &quot;I can&#039;t remember the last time someone asked John McCain if his vote for the war in Iraq [like Sen Biden&#039;s (D)] was a mistake.&quot;  She should go on and deflect questions to Obama, &quot;I can&#039;t remember seeing anyone ask Sen Obama if he thinks Americans should oppose the war like he has if he becomes President.&quot;  Or  take a question about the jobless rate, and deflect it, &quot;It&#039;s terrible, but John McCain and I want to make sure that the Federal government makes it easier for businesses to be profitable, productive, and hire more people at better wages.  We plan on doing that by cutting business taxes.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve never seen anyone ask Senator Obama how raising taxes on business owners and businesses will make them more profitable, make them want to hire more people, and make them pay people more.&quot;

She goes on, takes questions, deflects them like Obama does TO Obama, and she not only takes the TV time away, but any time he gets is spent explaining things that he hasn&#039;t had to for 19months.  

Sen Obama...what&#039;s the difference between your Pakistan policy and Bush&#039;s
-there is none

Sen Obama...what&#039;s the difference between your Iraq troop reduction plan and Bush&#039;s
-6 months...maybe

Sen Obama...what&#039;s the difference between your Iran plan and Bush&#039;s
-I&#039;m gonna try everything he&#039;s tried, but Iran won&#039;t laugh at me because I&#039;m The One

Sen Obama...how will you get Osama Bin Laden
-silence

Sen Obama....what&#039;s the difference between your plan for Afghanstan and Bush&#039;s
-none, except...well, he thought of it first and already ordered more troops there

(expanding the fun)
Gov Dean...does being a gov make you qualified to be President
-YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Disagree on the air date Mata.  Obama went in to do the interview after a loooooooooong wait to do it.  No way anyone could have expected O&#8217;Reilly to hold on to it until after the convention.  If Obama DID want to demonstrate respect as McCain did for him, then Obama would have waited until Friday or late on Thurs to do it.  Nah, after that Palin speech I think Gov Obama-err, Senator Obama was so upset that he&#8217;d finally been called out (ironically in far less of a fashion than he himself did in his own acceptance speech re John McCain)&#8230;I think Sen Obama was willing to do anything to get back on the free-advertising air waves-including do the O&#8217;Reilly interview.</p>
<p>If Republicans are smart, they&#8217;ll put Palin on as often as they can, typically in softball interviews (Larry King, Fox, Oprah, etc), and in those interviews she&#8217;ll do exactly what Sen Obama&#8217;s doing lately.  In an interview yesterday, he said, &#8220;I can&#8217;t remember the last time someone asked John McCain if his vote for the war in Iraq [like Sen Biden's (D)] was a mistake.&#8221;  She should go on and deflect questions to Obama, &#8220;I can&#8217;t remember seeing anyone ask Sen Obama if he thinks Americans should oppose the war like he has if he becomes President.&#8221;  Or  take a question about the jobless rate, and deflect it, &#8220;It&#8217;s terrible, but John McCain and I want to make sure that the Federal government makes it easier for businesses to be profitable, productive, and hire more people at better wages.  We plan on doing that by cutting business taxes.  On the other hand, I&#8217;ve never seen anyone ask Senator Obama how raising taxes on business owners and businesses will make them more profitable, make them want to hire more people, and make them pay people more.&#8221;</p>
<p>She goes on, takes questions, deflects them like Obama does TO Obama, and she not only takes the TV time away, but any time he gets is spent explaining things that he hasn&#8217;t had to for 19months.  </p>
<p>Sen Obama&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference between your Pakistan policy and Bush&#8217;s<br />
-there is none</p>
<p>Sen Obama&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference between your Iraq troop reduction plan and Bush&#8217;s<br />
-6 months&#8230;maybe</p>
<p>Sen Obama&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference between your Iran plan and Bush&#8217;s<br />
-I&#8217;m gonna try everything he&#8217;s tried, but Iran won&#8217;t laugh at me because I&#8217;m The One</p>
<p>Sen Obama&#8230;how will you get Osama Bin Laden<br />
-silence</p>
<p>Sen Obama&#8230;.what&#8217;s the difference between your plan for Afghanstan and Bush&#8217;s<br />
-none, except&#8230;well, he thought of it first and already ordered more troops there</p>
<p>(expanding the fun)<br />
Gov Dean&#8230;does being a gov make you qualified to be President<br />
-YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/06/did-obama-lie-to-bill-oreilly/#comment-110368</link>
		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best and brightest of minds have worked on this nations security and the various groups we need to keep an eye on or take out since 911. My hunch is that the next president will do little differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The best and brightest of minds have worked on this nations security and the various groups we need to keep an eye on or take out since 911. My hunch is that the next president will do little differently.</p>
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