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	<title>Comments on: Open Thread Question:  If Obama is the &#8220;uniter&#8221; he claims to be, then why did he not unite the DNC by choosing Hillary as VP?</title>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/08/25/open-thread-question-if-obama-is-the-uniter-he-claims-to-be-then-why-did-he-not-unite-the-dnc-by-choosing-hillary-as-vp/comment-page-1/#comment-108043</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wow, what a convention&quot;...???  

When the band&#039;s last strains echo away, the &quot;last call for alchohol&quot; sings out and the bar lights go up.....

Dang, you&#039;re easy, Doug.  As well as your cohorts.  Easy to understand that with a mass of 65,000, enthusiam is hard *not* to have.  Any large sports event has the same effect.  But then, you wake up the next morning.  How long does that euphoria last?

Perhaps long enough to get a bump in the polls before the reality sets in.

Obama is what he was last Sunday night.  A candidate with a socialist agenda and an eye on spending lots of US tax dollars on his pet projects.  He is still a walking naive for US business, and our foreign policy.

What we have learned this past week is that the DNC know&#039;s how to spend big donor dollars on a flashy, and very expensive party.  Obama, frugal and responsible are not thy names.  It&#039;s all about pomp, circumstance and show.  

But dress up a pig, and it&#039;s still a pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Wow, what a convention&#8221;&#8230;???  </p>
<p>When the band&#8217;s last strains echo away, the &#8220;last call for alchohol&#8221; sings out and the bar lights go up&#8230;..</p>
<p>Dang, you&#8217;re easy, Doug.  As well as your cohorts.  Easy to understand that with a mass of 65,000, enthusiam is hard *not* to have.  Any large sports event has the same effect.  But then, you wake up the next morning.  How long does that euphoria last?</p>
<p>Perhaps long enough to get a bump in the polls before the reality sets in.</p>
<p>Obama is what he was last Sunday night.  A candidate with a socialist agenda and an eye on spending lots of US tax dollars on his pet projects.  He is still a walking naive for US business, and our foreign policy.</p>
<p>What we have learned this past week is that the DNC know&#8217;s how to spend big donor dollars on a flashy, and very expensive party.  Obama, frugal and responsible are not thy names.  It&#8217;s all about pomp, circumstance and show.  </p>
<p>But dress up a pig, and it&#8217;s still a pig.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Doug is enthusiastic about Obama!  Shocker!  

And......

To top it all off he is a downer about McCain....will wonders never cease?

Uh, yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wow!  Doug is enthusiastic about Obama!  Shocker!  </p>
<p>And&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>To top it all off he is a downer about McCain&#8230;.will wonders never cease?</p>
<p>Uh, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. What a convention! 

I have changed my mind. I don&#039;t believe, as I said earlier, we need to wait to see what the Repbs. do at their convention, to see if their is unity (a poll pump) for Obama. I believe we will see a bump before the Repub.  convention.

Todd&#039;s right, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEm-JpJeAE&amp;eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

McCain and his message will appear wilted and hollow when the two conventions are contrasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wow. What a convention! </p>
<p>I have changed my mind. I don&#8217;t believe, as I said earlier, we need to wait to see what the Repbs. do at their convention, to see if their is unity (a poll pump) for Obama. I believe we will see a bump before the Repub.  convention.</p>
<p>Todd&#8217;s right, too: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEm-JpJeAE&#038;eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEm-JpJeAE&#038;eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/</a></p>
<p>McCain and his message will appear wilted and hollow when the two conventions are contrasted.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/08/25/open-thread-question-if-obama-is-the-uniter-he-claims-to-be-then-why-did-he-not-unite-the-dnc-by-choosing-hillary-as-vp/comment-page-1/#comment-107455</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Carl #6 nailed it on the head... BHO is not, and never was, a uniter.  Succinct, and no argument from me.  Now if the rest of the world can &quot;get it&quot;.  It&#039;s the quintessential move, proving there&#039;s not a &quot;uniter&quot; bone in his body.

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Fit Fit, if BHO gets all the Indy&#039;s, but only half the Dems, he&#039;s still in trouble.  No matter what, he needs all the DNC at his back.  Trading half the Dems for Indy&#039;s is not a winning combo.

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Scott, you have an interesting theory on a united America with Obama.  If I understand you correctly, you believe that the Dems will be happier than a pig in a blanket to have a DNC POTUS, plus own all branches of Congress (*and* the unofficial 4th branch, the media...).  Therefore whatever their &lt;strike&gt;fearless&lt;/strike&gt; spineless leader does, they will unite and follow along without a wimper.

Further, since you believe that Obama will do no different than McCain for the global war on Islamic jihad movements, you figure GOP and DNC will both be happy and objections to US actions will no longer be challenged.  You&#039;re banking on the DNC gleefully following an Obama CIC into military action overseas.

I&#039;m not sure I totally agree with you there.  I think Obama&#039;s CIC leadership will turn more isolationist in design.  He will depend heavily on UNSC and NATO... which is a course of inaction.  His potential handling of Pakistan/Afghanistan, and his  plans for withdrawal while ignoring Petraeus, may not pan out to be what you believe. Only time will tell if he&#039;s elected.

If it is an Obama presidency, the majority of the country may indeed end up uniting over time in venom for his socialist policies... just as Italy did when they threw out their socialist President, and reinstated Berlusconi after only a couple of years.  It will only take a few heirs, giving up 45% in estate tax to taste the disgust of a tax heavy Obama admin.  So perhaps you may be right.

Then again, reversing such policies with our socialist heavy Congress could prove very difficult, if not impossible.

However Obama&#039;s deliberate refusal to unite HRC voters by offering her Veep does not bode well.  This is a man concerned with self, determined not to have the Clinton duo breathing down his back.  He chose his Oval Office environment (sans Clintons) over the desires of half his party.  I&#039;m not sure that, given the country&#039;s reins, he may continue to throw most of his party &quot;under the bus&quot;, as so many like to say.  He&#039;s already proven that he&#039;s far more guilty than Bush of the accusations of &quot;not listening&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Personally, I think Carl #6 nailed it on the head&#8230; BHO is not, and never was, a uniter.  Succinct, and no argument from me.  Now if the rest of the world can &#8220;get it&#8221;.  It&#8217;s the quintessential move, proving there&#8217;s not a &#8220;uniter&#8221; bone in his body.</p>
<p>_________________________________</p>
<p>Fit Fit, if BHO gets all the Indy&#8217;s, but only half the Dems, he&#8217;s still in trouble.  No matter what, he needs all the DNC at his back.  Trading half the Dems for Indy&#8217;s is not a winning combo.</p>
<p>_________________________________</p>
<p>Scott, you have an interesting theory on a united America with Obama.  If I understand you correctly, you believe that the Dems will be happier than a pig in a blanket to have a DNC POTUS, plus own all branches of Congress (*and* the unofficial 4th branch, the media&#8230;).  Therefore whatever their <strike>fearless</strike> spineless leader does, they will unite and follow along without a wimper.</p>
<p>Further, since you believe that Obama will do no different than McCain for the global war on Islamic jihad movements, you figure GOP and DNC will both be happy and objections to US actions will no longer be challenged.  You&#8217;re banking on the DNC gleefully following an Obama CIC into military action overseas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I totally agree with you there.  I think Obama&#8217;s CIC leadership will turn more isolationist in design.  He will depend heavily on UNSC and NATO&#8230; which is a course of inaction.  His potential handling of Pakistan/Afghanistan, and his  plans for withdrawal while ignoring Petraeus, may not pan out to be what you believe. Only time will tell if he&#8217;s elected.</p>
<p>If it is an Obama presidency, the majority of the country may indeed end up uniting over time in venom for his socialist policies&#8230; just as Italy did when they threw out their socialist President, and reinstated Berlusconi after only a couple of years.  It will only take a few heirs, giving up 45% in estate tax to taste the disgust of a tax heavy Obama admin.  So perhaps you may be right.</p>
<p>Then again, reversing such policies with our socialist heavy Congress could prove very difficult, if not impossible.</p>
<p>However Obama&#8217;s deliberate refusal to unite HRC voters by offering her Veep does not bode well.  This is a man concerned with self, determined not to have the Clinton duo breathing down his back.  He chose his Oval Office environment (sans Clintons) over the desires of half his party.  I&#8217;m not sure that, given the country&#8217;s reins, he may continue to throw most of his party &#8220;under the bus&#8221;, as so many like to say.  He&#8217;s already proven that he&#8217;s far more guilty than Bush of the accusations of &#8220;not listening&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Phillip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, has filed a lawsuit/complaint against Barack Hussein Obama claiming that Obama is NOT a U.S. natural born citizen.

Hear his discussion:
http://www.plainsradio.com/

Complaint and details:
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mr. Phillip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, has filed a lawsuit/complaint against Barack Hussein Obama claiming that Obama is NOT a U.S. natural born citizen.</p>
<p>Hear his discussion:<br />
<a href="http://www.plainsradio.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.plainsradio.com/</a></p>
<p>Complaint and details:<br />
<a href="http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Democrat.  I do vote Democrat 90% of the time.  This fall I&#039;ll be voting straight Dem ticket except for Lindsey Graham for US Senate.</description>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jainphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see didn&#039;t want to be vetted, didn&#039;t want to open closet, and yet you knowing all this, continue in that party. Fit fit that post tells us all a lot about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Lets see didn&#8217;t want to be vetted, didn&#8217;t want to open closet, and yet you knowing all this, continue in that party. Fit fit that post tells us all a lot about you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clintons were not willing to open their skeleton closet to vetting without a guarantee of getting the nod.  Vetting her without accepting her was impossible.

FiveThirtyEight has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/can-biden-out-hillary-hillary.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; that goes a long way in explaining the selection.  It has to do with net positves on favorable/unfavorable of the different Democratic VP choices.  While Hillary was number one among Democrats, Biden was number two.  But he was number one among Independents.  Guess where Presidential races are really decided...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The Clintons were not willing to open their skeleton closet to vetting without a guarantee of getting the nod.  Vetting her without accepting her was impossible.</p>
<p>FiveThirtyEight has a <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/can-biden-out-hillary-hillary.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> that goes a long way in explaining the selection.  It has to do with net positves on favorable/unfavorable of the different Democratic VP choices.  While Hillary was number one among Democrats, Biden was number two.  But he was number one among Independents.  Guess where Presidential races are really decided&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ThomNJ</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/08/25/open-thread-question-if-obama-is-the-uniter-he-claims-to-be-then-why-did-he-not-unite-the-dnc-by-choosing-hillary-as-vp/comment-page-1/#comment-107382</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Blue, er New Jersey and in my town, I have seen only one obama sign and one bumper sticker.  I am sure there are others, but if this guy is so great - why does he have far, far fewer signs than swift john kerry had?

Also have to note that I have only seen one McCain sign/bumper sticker as well.....wow the populace is REALLY excited over the candidates this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I live in Blue, er New Jersey and in my town, I have seen only one obama sign and one bumper sticker.  I am sure there are others, but if this guy is so great &#8211; why does he have far, far fewer signs than swift john kerry had?</p>
<p>Also have to note that I have only seen one McCain sign/bumper sticker as well&#8230;..wow the populace is REALLY excited over the candidates this year!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/08/25/open-thread-question-if-obama-is-the-uniter-he-claims-to-be-then-why-did-he-not-unite-the-dnc-by-choosing-hillary-as-vp/comment-page-1/#comment-107371</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe he&#039;s a united by default and halo rather than by action or record, but-well, I guess there&#039;s no real record of him uniting or doing anything deliberately.  I mean, I can&#039;t think of 3 things the man&#039;s done in his life that CHANGEd things for people.

The big confusion for me right now re Obama is Biden.  (recall if you will that I liked Biden back when I liked Edwards.....in 2004, before someone pulled them aside cut off their balls and they started to pander to the KOSsacks and Olbermanns of the party).

When the DNC says McCain is too old, can&#039;t the RNC say so is the guy who&#039;s one Skinhead&#039;s bullet away from being President?

When the DNC says McCain voted for the war, the RNC already says, YEAH!  And so did Joe Biden

When the DNC points to Biden&#039;s best PR moment when he said America should be against torture so that people like his son don&#039;t get tortured when captured (his son is a soldier), I have to wonder what the point is?  I mean John McCain (who also has sons in the military-sons who fight as opposed to Biden&#039;s son who was at little risk of being captured by Al Queda on duty in the Pentagon) isn&#039;t exactly gonna raise his hand and object.  &#039;Cause he can&#039;t  &#039;Cause HE was tortured, and has been THE most outspoken guy against torture out there.

That are these guys thinking?  They&#039;ve got a rock star candidate, and they&#039;re killing him with poor guidance.  Sad day for the misled left everywhere.  Maybe we shouldn&#039;t call them protesters in Denver, but funeral marchers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I believe he&#8217;s a united by default and halo rather than by action or record, but-well, I guess there&#8217;s no real record of him uniting or doing anything deliberately.  I mean, I can&#8217;t think of 3 things the man&#8217;s done in his life that CHANGEd things for people.</p>
<p>The big confusion for me right now re Obama is Biden.  (recall if you will that I liked Biden back when I liked Edwards&#8230;..in 2004, before someone pulled them aside cut off their balls and they started to pander to the KOSsacks and Olbermanns of the party).</p>
<p>When the DNC says McCain is too old, can&#8217;t the RNC say so is the guy who&#8217;s one Skinhead&#8217;s bullet away from being President?</p>
<p>When the DNC says McCain voted for the war, the RNC already says, YEAH!  And so did Joe Biden</p>
<p>When the DNC points to Biden&#8217;s best PR moment when he said America should be against torture so that people like his son don&#8217;t get tortured when captured (his son is a soldier), I have to wonder what the point is?  I mean John McCain (who also has sons in the military-sons who fight as opposed to Biden&#8217;s son who was at little risk of being captured by Al Queda on duty in the Pentagon) isn&#8217;t exactly gonna raise his hand and object.  &#8216;Cause he can&#8217;t  &#8216;Cause HE was tortured, and has been THE most outspoken guy against torture out there.</p>
<p>That are these guys thinking?  They&#8217;ve got a rock star candidate, and they&#8217;re killing him with poor guidance.  Sad day for the misled left everywhere.  Maybe we shouldn&#8217;t call them protesters in Denver, but funeral marchers?</p>
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