Like I said, DW isn’t very intelligent.

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AS, Oregon is (make that was, thanks to the environmentalists) one of the largest timber states in the US. Our forest regulations require commercial logging to deal with soil erosion, prompt regeneration, riparian run off and wildlife. Additionally there are regulations even for the logging road construction, the chemicals sprayed, and the drainage design.

Thus the fish and waters are protected. The wildlife may disappear into the adjacent forest during the logging, but they don’t go far. They return as soon as the seedlings are in for some serious munching. Our reprods are checked (monitored by the state forestry officials) annually for the first five years. Those that are damaged by that wildlife you think have disappeared are required to be replaced.

By eight years, the fast growing Doug fir… our most popular reprod… is several stories high, and they pile on about 2-3 feet annually. Have a view of the coastals range, or the various volcanos after cutting? You’d better enjoy it quick. By 8 years, you won’t be able to see the forest for the trees. The “clear cut” look, and the views they reveal, are short lived at best.

Additionally, commercially reprod land is well maintained and more fire resistant forest. Doug fir are maintained with trimming and pruning to keep their value, and does not encourage underbrush growth. Therefore the forest is more apt to survive a fire….. unlike unmaintained natural forests with scrubby brush and junk trees, which are veritable tinder boxes with wide spread damage.

While the logging regulations have come in the last couple of decades, the Oregon terrain and wildlife have not suffered from the generations of unregulated logging before, bringing all your chicken little Sierra Club crap to fruition. The forest resources here, as well as our livestock and agriculture business, are doing quite fine… despite the abuse you seem to believe the prior generations have reaped.

Dead Weight, compared to you, I am a “World’s Expert”. Unlike you, however, I tackle subjects I have knowledge on. On others, I don’t comment. And with your menopausal estrogen attacks, I can see where you’d have “brass ones” envy.

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Wow… a Seattle resident makes you the quintessential expert.

Holy crap, MightyHairy! You’ve got some brass ones to go there! Just to judge by your endless pontification, you are World’s Expert at every conceivable subject there is.

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Once again, you compare what YOU did in YOUR state to what’s going on in MY state. Get it through your head that there is NO camparison. Come visit the mountain ranges and mountain plains in Wyoming where everything is “dead, logged, overgrazed and polluted”. You’ll find that the only places that holds true are the places managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. I remember the good old days when it was called “public land”, before Clinton re-christened it “Federal” land and BLM officials trained with the Border Patrol and carried AR-15′s while they patrolled our public land (long before 9/11)!

Wait, I take that back. Don’t come visit. You’ll just end up moving here like all of the other coastal ex-pats who keep invading our state and bringing your stupid socia(enviromenta)lism with you.

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Forest industry practices in the PNW still have adverse effects on fish habitat, water quality, soil conservation and the like. And the timber companies have always needed and continue to need more than a little prodding to play nice. And remember; planting & harvesting trees does not a forest make.

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Wow… a Seattle resident makes you the quintessential expert. So you find one or two guys outside of the norm and pronounce the entire industry irresponsible.

Using your logic, the human race is abysmal by your very presence.

“Renewable resource” is only an advertising slogan in your eyes. Trees are the foundation of a construction industry. Fact remains, you cut them. You plant them. They grow. A resource that renews itself.

You are still out of your depth, concrete dweller… on logging, on livestock, etal. But that’s what happens when you get your news from the Sierra Club.

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I spent a good many years working in the timber industry in Washington state and ‘renewable resource’ (an advertising term) shouldn’t be confused with environmentally sound practices. The timber industry has only been brought into resonable practices kicking &
screaming. Good business practices? Better perhaps but any fault of Plum Creek , McMillan Bloedel or guy so eager to ‘harvest’ the redwoods.

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Add to Wisdom, logging firms – who are in the business of planting and harvesting timber for homes such as those where concrete dwellers like AS reside – harvest and replant with quality timber. ‘Tis just good business. Why cut off your future livelihood?

And such replanting is monitored by the state forestry departments.

Thus… the reason it’s called a “renewable resource”.

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Arthurstone: We left it up to the mine owners, timber moguls & cattle barons the first go round. And everything ended up dead, logged, overgrazed and polluted.

Interesting way of looking at it, except that Wyoming never ended up “dead, logged, overgrazed and polluted”. Despite the evil “mine owners, timber moguls & cattle barons” who, by the way, made every cent by providing what other people wanted and needed, Wyoming is still a paradise. We believe in and follow what’s called “multiple use” which is a system where all of the groups who want to use public lands work together to manage the land for the benefit of everyone. The only time the system doesn’t work is when the courts and the feds get involved, usually as a result of pressure and money from OUTSIDE our state bounaries.

Your view of the world is like that of a teenage parent who screwed up their first kid by not giving them any supervision, and wants to overcompensate by micromanaging every aspect of their younger child. All of you angry liberals who choose to live in the giant cities that you screwed up think you can make up for it by micromanaging all of us out here living a “remote rural lifestyle”. What you don’t understand, is that just because you screwed up doesn’t mean we will, and it definitely doesn’t mean that you know how to manage public land in Wyoming better that we do.

In fact, we are operating safe, environmentally sound mines, we are managing our forests in such a way they are more healthy than any time in known history, and cattle are grazing in our mountains right alongside those wolves and grizzlies in addition to the elk, moose, deer, antelope, mountain sheep, etc. In fact, we have more species of wildlife in Wyoming than is found in any other state in the nation. In further fact, the only ones that seem to be endangered are the ones that the federal government manages via the Fish and Wildlife Service. The ones that the state has historically managed are all thriving. If the “endangered” species were given back to the Wyoming Game and Fish to manage, I have no doubt they would be flourishing too.

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Oh to be spared the onslaught of BS from the know-it-all concrete dwellers….

What you do NOT know about the logging (or livestock) industry is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge on Christian doctrine, AS.

But just like the other thread, your lack of comprehension never prohibits you hitting the keyboard, and proving your idiocy once again.

UPDATE: Well gosh darn. I owe AS an apology! And ya know, I’ll give it. My mea culpa. The lack of comprehension on the doctrine was bro-in-comrade arms, Dead Weight. *Not* AS.

My apologies for confusing you with him, and attributing his stupidity on Christian doctrine to you, AS.

You are, however, still completely in too deep of water on the logging industry to know of which you speak. But you parrot Sierra Club talking points very well.

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