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		<title>By: Indigo Red</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/08/14/consequences-grow-as-russias-invasion-of-georgia-continues/#comment-105718</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my! I thought the Soviet Union had been defeated without firing a shot. I guess the shots are being fired now.

A few hours ago, Russia warned Poland they risk attack, possibly nuke, over the antii-missile system the US and Poland have agreed to. The Russian Black Sea fleet is ignorring Ukrainian orders to stay out of Ukrainian waters once they&#039;ve sailed for Georgia and are threatening aggression there, too. Threats and/or agression against Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia can&#039;t be too far off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh my! I thought the Soviet Union had been defeated without firing a shot. I guess the shots are being fired now.</p>
<p>A few hours ago, Russia warned Poland they risk attack, possibly nuke, over the antii-missile system the US and Poland have agreed to. The Russian Black Sea fleet is ignorring Ukrainian orders to stay out of Ukrainian waters once they&#8217;ve sailed for Georgia and are threatening aggression there, too. Threats and/or agression against Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia can&#8217;t be too far off.</p>
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		<title>By: Looting And Ethnic Cleansing Against Georgian Enclaves : BigMouthFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Looting And Ethnic Cleansing Against Georgian Enclaves : BigMouthFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and ethnic cleansing against Georgian enclaves &#8220;As the conflict between Russia and Georgia enters its second week, there is growing evidence of looting and actions in a number of villages throughout the area of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caucaus, Comparing a war to liberate 50 million people to a war to put 50 million people under communism is a trait of an anti-american democrat.  I know you got that comparison from the retards on CNN as I was visiting (CNN never graces my home) and saw some nut as he was spouting what you copied and spewed on here.

The U.S. can only look from the sidelines since Slick Willie destroyed the U.S. military during the 90&#039;s. Due to the destruction of the military we are now and always be another &#039;weak&#039; country watching from the sidelines. The Russians have been watching with interest as the cowards of this country attempted to surrender in Iraq (as they did in Vietnam with the loss of 3-5 million lives, blood on all democrats hands then and today), and they knew the time was right to start putting the USSR back togather. I&#039;m 67 and will live through it but the young people in this country will pay, and pay dearly for the acts of the cowardly democrat party. Give people like Hussein O and the current democrats time to &#039;disarm&#039; the American people, and the military as Hussein O has vowed to do,  and the U.S. can and will be another Georgia.

“…I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” B Hussein Obama,

page 261 of his book, Audacity of Hope…

Based on his actions and words the past few days he also stands with the communist. He had a great communist teacher (mentor)  at one time and after years of lying,  finally admits it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Caucaus, Comparing a war to liberate 50 million people to a war to put 50 million people under communism is a trait of an anti-american democrat.  I know you got that comparison from the retards on CNN as I was visiting (CNN never graces my home) and saw some nut as he was spouting what you copied and spewed on here.</p>
<p>The U.S. can only look from the sidelines since Slick Willie destroyed the U.S. military during the 90&#8242;s. Due to the destruction of the military we are now and always be another &#8216;weak&#8217; country watching from the sidelines. The Russians have been watching with interest as the cowards of this country attempted to surrender in Iraq (as they did in Vietnam with the loss of 3-5 million lives, blood on all democrats hands then and today), and they knew the time was right to start putting the USSR back togather. I&#8217;m 67 and will live through it but the young people in this country will pay, and pay dearly for the acts of the cowardly democrat party. Give people like Hussein O and the current democrats time to &#8216;disarm&#8217; the American people, and the military as Hussein O has vowed to do,  and the U.S. can and will be another Georgia.</p>
<p>“…I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” B Hussein Obama,</p>
<p>page 261 of his book, Audacity of Hope…</p>
<p>Based on his actions and words the past few days he also stands with the communist. He had a great communist teacher (mentor)  at one time and after years of lying,  finally admits it.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/14/AR2008081400647.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it is no good&lt;/a&gt; when assistance comes to dead people. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That about says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>&#8230; <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/14/AR2008081400647.html" rel="nofollow">it is no good</a> when assistance comes to dead people. </p></blockquote>
<p>That about says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- M.A.

No argument there!  After all, if Z.B. did offer good advice, how would we know it with Carter in charge, eh?

&lt;em&gt;&quot;P.S. I like Caroline Glick!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- M.A.

I&#039;ve had a &quot;crush&quot; on her writing since I first read it.  It&#039;s the way I would wright if I could - everything fits together so well, it&#039;s almost &quot;archatectural&quot; in design.  That, and she&#039;s almost always right!  (... much more so than the vast majority of others who cover the same topics).

 .....and she can spell, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><em>&#8220;Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.&#8221;</em> &#8212; M.A.</p>
<p>No argument there!  After all, if Z.B. did offer good advice, how would we know it with Carter in charge, eh?</p>
<p><em>&#8220;P.S. I like Caroline Glick!&#8221;</em> &#8212; M.A.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a &#8220;crush&#8221; on her writing since I first read it.  It&#8217;s the way I would wright if I could &#8211; everything fits together so well, it&#8217;s almost &#8220;archatectural&#8221; in design.  That, and she&#8217;s almost always right!  (&#8230; much more so than the vast majority of others who cover the same topics).</p>
<p> &#8230;..and she can spell, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubba: Georgia&#039;s ill considered action regarding S. Ossetia was response to the baited trap Russia had set. Too bad the Georgians fell for it, but if it they had not, Russia would have tried something else. They&#039;ve been planning something like this for a while now.

Yonason: No problem with me if you don&#039;t have the same regard for Zbig that I do. I was disappointed that he seemed to go off the reservation these last few years. It&#039;s probably because he, like Scowcroft and others are sooooo 20th Century and feel left out of the game now that they are very senior citizens.

This is not to say they cannot make vital contributions. But it&#039;s they can&#039;t go back to their glory days and they know it.

Besides, if you want to know who really messed things up in the Carter Administration, you don&#039;t need to blame Zbig. He was one of the few voices of sanity. Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.

P.S. I like Caroline Glick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Bubba: Georgia&#8217;s ill considered action regarding S. Ossetia was response to the baited trap Russia had set. Too bad the Georgians fell for it, but if it they had not, Russia would have tried something else. They&#8217;ve been planning something like this for a while now.</p>
<p>Yonason: No problem with me if you don&#8217;t have the same regard for Zbig that I do. I was disappointed that he seemed to go off the reservation these last few years. It&#8217;s probably because he, like Scowcroft and others are sooooo 20th Century and feel left out of the game now that they are very senior citizens.</p>
<p>This is not to say they cannot make vital contributions. But it&#8217;s they can&#8217;t go back to their glory days and they know it.</p>
<p>Besides, if you want to know who really messed things up in the Carter Administration, you don&#8217;t need to blame Zbig. He was one of the few voices of sanity. Jimmy and Cyrus Vance were idiots by comparison.</p>
<p>P.S. I like Caroline Glick!</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Thudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba Thudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“One can forget about any talk about Georgia’s territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state,” Lavrov told reporters.

Russia was able to &quot;persuade&quot; Chechnya to be forced back into the Russian state.  Why can&#039;t Georgia do the same with its rebellious provinces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>“One can forget about any talk about Georgia’s territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state,” Lavrov told reporters.</p>
<p>Russia was able to &#8220;persuade&#8221; Chechnya to be forced back into the Russian state.  Why can&#8217;t Georgia do the same with its rebellious provinces?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/08/israel_georgia_and_the_nature.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this, from Caroline Glick&lt;/a&gt;, whose attention to detail and devotion to truth place her among the very best journalists writing today.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In their statements Wednesday on Russia&#039;s invasion of Georgia, both US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice openly acknowledged that Russia is the aggressor in the war and that the US stands by Georgia. 

This is all very nice and well. But what does the fact that &lt;b&gt;it took the US a full five days to issue a clear statement against Russian aggression&lt;/b&gt; tell us about the US? What does it say about Georgia and, in a larger sense, about the nature of world affairs? 

&lt;b&gt;Russia&#039;s blitzkrieg in Georgia this week was not simply an act of aggression against a small, weak democracy. It was an assault on vital Western security interests.&lt;/b&gt; Since it achieved independence in 1990, Georgia has been the only obstacle in Russia&#039;s path to exerting full control over oil supplies from Central Asia to the West. And now, in the aftermath of Russia&#039;s conquest of Georgia, that obstacle has been set aside. 

Georgia has several oil and gas pipelines that traverse its territory from Azerbaijan to Turkey, the main one being the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Together they transport more than 1 percent of global oil supplies from east to west. &lt;b&gt;In response to the Russian invasion, British Petroleum, which owns the pipelines, announced that it will close them. 

This means that Russia has won.&lt;/b&gt; In the future that same oil and gas will either be shipped through Russia, or it will be shipped through Georgia under the benevolent control of Russian &quot;peacekeeping&quot; forces permanently stationed in Gori. The West now has no option other than appeasing Russia if it wishes to receive its oil from the Caucasus. 

Russian control of these oil arteries represents as significant a threat to Western strategic interests as Saddam Hussein&#039;s conquest of Kuwait and his threat to invade Saudi Arabia in 1990. &lt;b&gt;Like Saddam&#039;s aggression then, Russia&#039;s takeover of Georgia threatens the stability of the international economy.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The rest of the article goes into details you won&#039;t find in any of the MSM rags. (The end is more pertinent to Israel than the US, but it does show the consistent pattern of betrayed promises to all. - I.e., Georgia, your screwed, too!)

And Pelosi is still on vacation, and still opposes drilling here and now, preferring to be at the mercy of the Arabs and the Russians.  I would ask, &quot;How stupid can they be?&quot; but I know better.  They are only Democrats, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I just found <a href="http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/08/israel_georgia_and_the_nature.asp" rel="nofollow">this, from Caroline Glick</a>, whose attention to detail and devotion to truth place her among the very best journalists writing today.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In their statements Wednesday on Russia&#8217;s invasion of Georgia, both US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice openly acknowledged that Russia is the aggressor in the war and that the US stands by Georgia. </p>
<p>This is all very nice and well. But what does the fact that <b>it took the US a full five days to issue a clear statement against Russian aggression</b> tell us about the US? What does it say about Georgia and, in a larger sense, about the nature of world affairs? </p>
<p><b>Russia&#8217;s blitzkrieg in Georgia this week was not simply an act of aggression against a small, weak democracy. It was an assault on vital Western security interests.</b> Since it achieved independence in 1990, Georgia has been the only obstacle in Russia&#8217;s path to exerting full control over oil supplies from Central Asia to the West. And now, in the aftermath of Russia&#8217;s conquest of Georgia, that obstacle has been set aside. </p>
<p>Georgia has several oil and gas pipelines that traverse its territory from Azerbaijan to Turkey, the main one being the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Together they transport more than 1 percent of global oil supplies from east to west. <b>In response to the Russian invasion, British Petroleum, which owns the pipelines, announced that it will close them. </p>
<p>This means that Russia has won.</b> In the future that same oil and gas will either be shipped through Russia, or it will be shipped through Georgia under the benevolent control of Russian &#8220;peacekeeping&#8221; forces permanently stationed in Gori. The West now has no option other than appeasing Russia if it wishes to receive its oil from the Caucasus. </p>
<p>Russian control of these oil arteries represents as significant a threat to Western strategic interests as Saddam Hussein&#8217;s conquest of Kuwait and his threat to invade Saudi Arabia in 1990. <b>Like Saddam&#8217;s aggression then, Russia&#8217;s takeover of Georgia threatens the stability of the international economy.</b>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>The rest of the article goes into details you won&#8217;t find in any of the MSM rags. (The end is more pertinent to Israel than the US, but it does show the consistent pattern of betrayed promises to all. &#8211; I.e., Georgia, your screwed, too!)</p>
<p>And Pelosi is still on vacation, and still opposes drilling here and now, preferring to be at the mercy of the Arabs and the Russians.  I would ask, &#8220;How stupid can they be?&#8221; but I know better.  They are only Democrats, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating, Mike! 

(note that I reserve the right to retain my negative impressions of him until I see the evidence for myself, but I certainly can&#039;t accuse you of not having what to rely on.)  Anyway, so perhaps with the caveat that he&#039;s a reliable expert on Russia, I might be able to buy it (with money back guarantee?), especially if you are selling.

Thanks

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://townhall.com/columnists/CarolineBGlick/2008/01/21/the_audacity_of_truth?page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UPDATE:&lt;/A&gt;  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Obama has received generous support from billionaire George Soros. In recent years, Soros has devoted himself to replacing politicians who support fighting the forces of global terror and supporting Israel with politicians who support appeasing jihadists and dumping Israel.
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama opposed defining Iran&#039;s Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group. He calls for the US to withdraw from Iraq - only to return if genocide is being carried out&lt;/em&gt; [Like that&#039;s not one of the major things we were fighting against for the last few years?] &lt;em&gt;and then, only as part of an international force&lt;/em&gt; [Riiight, like that&#039;s going to happen!]. &lt;em&gt;He also supports opening negotiations with Iran even if the Iranians continue to enrich uranium. &lt;b&gt;In forming these views, he is assisted by his foreign policy team which includes ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, Mark Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert Malley. 
All of these people are known either for their anti-Israel views or their pro-Arab views - or both.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fascinating, Mike! </p>
<p>(note that I reserve the right to retain my negative impressions of him until I see the evidence for myself, but I certainly can&#8217;t accuse you of not having what to rely on.)  Anyway, so perhaps with the caveat that he&#8217;s a reliable expert on Russia, I might be able to buy it (with money back guarantee?), especially if you are selling.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p><a HREF="http://townhall.com/columnists/CarolineBGlick/2008/01/21/the_audacity_of_truth?page=1" rel="nofollow">UPDATE:</a>  <em>&#8220;Obama has received generous support from billionaire George Soros. In recent years, Soros has devoted himself to replacing politicians who support fighting the forces of global terror and supporting Israel with politicians who support appeasing jihadists and dumping Israel.<br />
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama opposed defining Iran&#8217;s Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist group. He calls for the US to withdraw from Iraq &#8211; only to return if genocide is being carried out</em> [Like that's not one of the major things we were fighting against for the last few years?] <em>and then, only as part of an international force</em> [Riiight, like that's going to happen!]. <em>He also supports opening negotiations with Iran even if the Iranians continue to enrich uranium. <b>In forming these views, he is assisted by his foreign policy team which includes ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, Mark Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert Malley.<br />
All of these people are known either for their anti-Israel views or their pro-Arab views &#8211; or both.&#8221;</b></em></p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Zbig to be a neocon before being a neocon was cool. Now that&#039;s it not cool to be a neocon anymore, he&#039;s morphed to something else.

I never found him to be anti-semitic and we spent hours discussing the Middle East peace process.

And as for communism, I couldn&#039;t disagree more. He profoundly understood the problem, even as the rest of Columbia University was caught up in Gorbachev worship.

I knew all I had to do to get an &quot;A&quot; for the day in doctoral level seminar on National Security (ten grad students locked in an windowlesss oak paneled room with Zbig for an hour a week) was to relate how the Soviet problem and issues of Poland were not going to go away no matter what new face was in the Kremlin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I found Zbig to be a neocon before being a neocon was cool. Now that&#8217;s it not cool to be a neocon anymore, he&#8217;s morphed to something else.</p>
<p>I never found him to be anti-semitic and we spent hours discussing the Middle East peace process.</p>
<p>And as for communism, I couldn&#8217;t disagree more. He profoundly understood the problem, even as the rest of Columbia University was caught up in Gorbachev worship.</p>
<p>I knew all I had to do to get an &#8220;A&#8221; for the day in doctoral level seminar on National Security (ten grad students locked in an windowlesss oak paneled room with Zbig for an hour a week) was to relate how the Soviet problem and issues of Poland were not going to go away no matter what new face was in the Kremlin.</p>
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