Osama Bin Laden had his daughter marry Mullah Omar’s. He funded the Taliban bigtime, and his Arab Afghan brigades helped them keep power. Ohhhh, but the talking point is that Al Queda isn’t indigenous to Afghanistan. Seems to me they’re involved enough.

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Hey Army Sergeant,

You lie.

In particular, ” In addition, IVAW is not against Afghanistan, but only the Iraq occupation.”

That’s bull and you know it.

Winter Soldier 2.0 is about Iraq AND Afghanistan.

Your Veterans For Peace puppet masters (i’e, the VVAW cock roaches) have their campaign against Afghanistan too. Based on the silly assertion that al-Qaeda wasn’t “indigenous” to Afghanistan.

Yeah, but the Taliban that gave them sanctuary and allowed them to operate freely within the Afghan borders was “indigenous”.

I don’t know what’s worse, your lying or the poor quality of your lies.

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Army Sergent;

Why are you qualified to give political policy? Christ people like you annoyed me will I was in. I was a sailor and we called your type sea lawyers. Why do you think you hold some special information that the rest of the Military doesn’t have? What possible policy information could you have that the president doesn’t have? That you profess to having certain insights doesn’t make you right but you can’t see that. Typical liberal. You probably don’t understand why we just can’t see your incedible intellect. There are scores of pages of reports that say Bush picked wisely given the state of intelligence at the time of the Iraq invasion. That the intelligence turned out to be wrong is beside the point at this point. We are there whether the intelligence was right or wrong. Get out at your EAOS. Leave the army. It isn’t for people who just want a retirement, its for defending our country.

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I AM an active duty Army Officer A.S. and I SUPPORT our efforts fully. Code Pink is a subversive organization which brags of sending $600k worth of supplies and cash to “insurgents” in Fallujah who were fighting Marines there. They HAVE been reported to the FBI many times. I suggest you do a little investigation on you “allies”.

Code Pink waves signs saying “we support our troops when they shoot their officers” and other such idiocy. They and their associates are beneath contempt.

I have no time or desire to expend any more energy on your idiocy concerning this matter. This is all I will say: IVAW is a subversive, in my opinion treasonous, organization based on the very treasonous VVAW organization which fostered it. It is allied with other subersive organizations which are doing their best to make ANY effort to defend the USA “unwinnable”. You are running with a very bad crowd at IVAW. If this is how you decide to lead you life, then please get out of the military before IAVW does something which dishonors your position and rank any more.

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Yawn. The debate over whether or not to invade Iraq is in it’s SEVENTH YEAR. Here’s a newsflash: Iraq was invaded, great people fought and died there, they are bringing peace to the nation, and they are being brought home with honor. UN, US, Iraq, Bush, Obama, McCain, and the DNC are all on the same page about the path forward:

“We can safely remove our combat brigades at the pace of one to two per month and expect to complete redeployment within 16 months. After this redeployment, we will keep a residual force in Iraq to perform specific missions: targeting terrorists; protecting our embassy and civil personnel; and advising and supporting Iraq’s Security Forces, provided the Iraqis make political progress. ”
“… At the same time, we will provide generous assistance to Iraqi refugees and internally displaced persons. We will launch a comprehensive regional and international diplomatic surge to help broker a lasting political settlement in Iraq, which is the only path to a sustainable peace. We will make clear that we seek no permanent bases in Iraq. This is the future the American people”

THE DEBATE IS OVER-opponents of the war (violent terrorist insurgents and peaceful political pawns of the left) have lost.

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Hey Army Sergeant Schultz,

Here’s another IVAW/Code Pink connection you seemed to miss.

“PROGRESSIVE PUB CRAWL – IVAW and Code PInk – Please forward widely!
Friends: Attached is a flier for the “Progressive Pub Crawl” – IVAW and Code Pink fundraisers, in Adams Morgan – both on Saturday, Aug 2!! Hope you can join us. IVAW will kick offf its Open Mic fundraiser at 5 p.m., with music by Perry King and Friends, karaoke, and special guests. At Chief Ike’s Mambo Room, 1725 Columbia Rd., NW, 5-8:30 p.m., suggested donation $5 – 20 (no one turned away for lack of funds). IVAW will use proceeds to pay costs of its trip to the Democratic & Republican conventions.”

You guys claim you want to recreate the anti-war coffee house, but mostoften events spend a lot of time in beer halls.

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Being away in Palm Springs vacationing a bit I missed this thread of comments but have to weigh in a bit, being a Veteran and all. Although Mata, Word, and Skye have pretty much said all there is to say. Any active duty member working with that subversive group, a group that aligns itself with an even more reprehensible group Code Pink, is beyond reprehensible and I agree with Skye, should be drummed out of the service. In no way shape or form did I ever believe I knew the big picture of the duties we carried out. I had my opinions, and god knows all of us in the military love to bitch, but I believed in the Marines, I believed in my country, and when those Generals and that President sends us on a mission I trusted in their knowledge of the situation.

That essay of those core principals AS wrote speaks volumes about her character and principals. I shudder to think the damage she has done to his fellow soldiers based upon it. As Word wrote:

Based upon your essay interpretation of “The Core Army Values”, how do you reconcile “carrying out orders” professionally when you wear the uniform, and subverting those “legal orders” when you are not on duty? Going by your essay’s rationale, should you not be disobeying direct orders to participate in the prosecution of a “purposeless” “foreign” war which “we can’t win”? Would that not be fulfilling duty and honor, as you see it, and displaying “loyalty to the Constitution, which is “under attack by men who have not sacrificed to protect it”?

The whole rationale of that essay tells me that either she is doing everything possible to subvert the war effort, or she is a blowhard who talks tough, but when it comes down to it he is just one more soldier bitching and moaning.

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Dim Wit: Whether or not a soldier has been to Iraq he has a right to his opinion. Sadly, it is YOUR SIDE who constantly denigrates the majority opinion of soldiers who have and are serving. Especially so when they remind us that the overwhelming majority of them wants to finish this job and not cut and run as so many of you defeatists would have us do.

I wish you had as much respect for that prevailing view among the military serving in Iraq as you apparently do for the lone dissenting voices.

Ah. You’re saying that someone can have an opinion unless said opinion is in the minority (or runs contrary to yours), in which case it then gets downgraded to mere “denigration.” Nice.

For future reference, “disagreement,” which is what you’re talking about, is not “denigration.” It’s disagreement.

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Dim Wit: Whether or not a soldier has been to Iraq he has a right to his opinion. Sadly, it is YOUR SIDE who constantly denigrates the majority opinion of soldiers who have and are serving. Especially so when they remind us that the overwhelming majority of them wants to finish this job and not cut and run as so many of you defeatists would have us do.

I wish you had as much respect for that prevailing view among the military serving in Iraq as you apparently do for the lone dissenting voices.

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If military personnel agree with wingnut talking points, everything is totally hunky-dory–no matter what they might have done in the line of duty.

If, however, a former soldier goes off the reservation by disagreeing with the accepted Iraq narrative, the Right-wing attack is, “But he’s retired. He’s out of the loop and doesn’t know anything.”

If he’s still serving, it’s, “But hasn’t been over to Iraq.”

If he has been–or currently is–in Iraq, the attack changes to, “B-b-but he’s probably in the motor pool, or something. What does he know?”

If he’s a frontline soldier, it’s, “He’s a dirty LIEberal, and he’s denigrating the troops. He’s a traitor!”

You guys are always moving the goalposts.

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