Philippe Sands will be in conversation with Olenka Frenkiel, an investigative journalist with the BBC, at the Frontline Club in London tonight. We start at 7.30pm UK time Tues 23 Sept and we’ll be streaming it live:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frontline-club

Thought you might be interested in watching/embedding/joining in the chat. Hope so

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Dave Gnoebles accuses me of not reading his silly post, and says if I did I would “…see that I discussed the mission differentiation between us and the Brits at Dresden #25.”

And if he had read mine, he would see I refuted his, …if he were capable of understanding what I wrote, that is, which I fear he’s not (or he’s deliberately feigning ignorance to keep dragging this out so he can keep unloading his quano here.)

“we committed an act of terrorism “ — D.G.

Yep, when a malicious moron calls it terrorism, it must be so. And, yeah, better we should have had lots more allies die, and maybe even risk losing the war, than hurt or psychologically disturb anyone. He is such a total waste of time, and he knows it, too.
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JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HIS DELIBERATE MISLIEADING (and utter ignorance)

Dave Gnoebles says “Surgical attacks on Hiroshima’s industrial areas and military installations, as well as Nagasaki’s shipbuilding and marine repair facilities would have achieved the directly[sic] military objective“.

The closest thing to a “surgical strike” back then would have required many planes at low enough altitudes to make it a suicide mission, something that would make Gnoebles quite happy – to see Americans die.

But, the “MILITARY OBJECTIVE” in dropping the atom bomb was not only to attack military targets. It was primarily TO BRING A SWIFT END TO THE WAR, and IT SUCCEEDED AND SAVED HUDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES ON BOTH SIDES. But, even if it saved no lives on the other side, it was worth it if it saved American lives, which IT DID!

Propagandists like DN want us to feel so guilty about killing an enemy that we opt instead to lose hundreds of thousands of our own people, rather than harm the enemy. Only a perverse conscienceless ghoul would advocate such a horrible thing. It is the Dave Gnoebles of the world who are the real terrorists, as we see from the evil they advocate.

If Double Standard Dave (carpet guano) Gnoebles wants to know what “terror” is, he should ask the American POW’s how “humane” the Japanese Army was, or maybe he should listen to the Asian women who “knew” the Japanese soldier first hand, as he raped his way across Asia.

EVERYTHING THEY “KNOW” IS WRONG!

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Yon,

“Funny, Dave, I don’t seem to see your references on that detail, or any other for that matter. As you said to Scott recently, …. ‘Substantiate that please.’”

If you’d stop desperately trying to be cute and actually read the other person’s post, you’d see that I discussed the mission differentiation between us and the Brits at Dresden #25.

I only brought out the distinction in mission between the Brits and the Americans at Dresden because I wanted to give the Americans the benefit of the doubt. If you want to quibble with that, fine. You make my point for me – we committed an act of terrorism jointly with the British at Dresden and unilaterally at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The only argument you have is that it was justified terrorism. and we feel bad about it.

I am not even remotely suggesting a moral equivalence between the US and AQ. But what I do want to do is force the application of the definition of terrorism across the board based on historical facts.

The behavior of the Japanese does not justify our behavior. It’s not about being “nice,” it’s about being moral.

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UPDATE – to Hiroshima/Nagasaki

The argument for ending the war ASAP is easily supported by the continuing and profound violations of human rights committed by the Japanese during the war. Their army was comparable to Saddam’s in cruelty. Being “nice” to them would be like being nice to a pack of ravenous wolves.

Just as the suffering of Iraqis was brought on by Saddam and his henchmen, so the suffering of the Japanese was the product of the ruling military class. Like the Islamofascists, they also cynically used their people as human shields. Any compromise to the Japanese rulers would have only extended the suffering of the ordinary citizen. Only someone bereft of any morality could blame America for the course it took to expiditiously end the war.

This link does a good job of painting the larger picture in which the sufferings of so many Japanese is largly taken by America’s detractors to be the only element. It was not, nor was it the most significant.

We know the looney Left doesn’t value life. If it did, then “Che” would NOT be one of their heroes, and live-birth abortion would NOT be a cause they support. The only reason they beat us up with the horror of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that they know that we have a conscience and are bothered by the fact that it was the only way. Yet, while they try to use our conscience against us, they really couldn’t care less.

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The fact that you are unable to figure out what I mean doesn’t trouble me in the least.

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Yonason:

I frankly don’t think even you know what your point was in that last post.

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HORROR OF HORRORS!!!

“Innocent people have already been released.” — WD-40

WHATEVER SHALL WE DO???!!!

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What’s the likelyhood that any GITMO detainee doesn’t belong there?

We’re not talking about abstract notions like the statistical likelihood of this occurring; we’re talking about the lives of individual human beings who may–and I stress may–be innocent of wrongdoing.

It has already happened. Innocent people have already been released.

You Righties are absolutely correct: this is a different kind of war. These guys aren’t in uniform. In the past, it was easy to tell whether someone was an enemy soldier because he wore the clothes. Now it will take some extra effort to differentiate the enemy from the hapless shmoe.

You can keep the bad guys and let the other ones free, but at least make an attempt to sort the two groups out.

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But some here – with whom I will waste no more time with their asinine and unworthy game playing – have their head so far up their butt, they can’t fathom the difference between those who are free to go, (and thereby not detained)but remaining by choice because of the alternatives, and those that are detained and awaiting trial or tribunal.

Ironically, MH, that was my point to begin with–or didn’t you bother reading the posts before telling me that I was stupid and didn’t know what I was talking about? Chuck wrote, in essence, “Kill ‘em all because they’re all animals,” and my response was along the lines of, “Hold on–some of these guys may not be the animals you’re talking about.”

It was then that you jumped in with your “duh” and your “changing conditions on the ground.”

Then, after reams of namecalling and contempt, you’re saying, “Like I told you, man–some of them are free to go!”

If I’m remembering correctly, and I know I am, that was my point, which you told me was no longer true.

Or something.

Your circular reasoning and flipflops–while somehow keeping up a steady stream of bile and abuse and maintaining that I’m the one who is misunderstanding–are truly masterful.

Head up one’s butt? Not being able to differentiate between dangerous and non-dangerous detainees? Chuck, she’s talking to you, buddy:

The prisoners in Gitmo are like Pit Bulls that have been trained to fight. No amount of humane treatment is going to change their behavior. For all intents and purposes they have been lost to the human race.

I wouldn’t mind if all of them were simply hauled out and disposed of.

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MataHarley

Sorry, but I edited my post before yours was posted, so it shouldn’t look like you were responding to something that you should have known was there. Also, yes I know there have been some who have refused to leave, but my refs for that are on my other computer, so I’m glad you dealt with that.

And, thanks for that PDF on Saddam. I didn’t have it yet.

Have a great weekend.

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