I long for a President who chooses his advisers well and then listens to them.

Well, Dave Noble… BHO sure ain’t your guy then. He voted yeah on Petraeus. He then gave a big foreign policy speech, *before* his Euro Lampoon vacation – i.e., nothing he would hear would change his mind. And since he choose not to meet with Petraeus when he was in the country, he’s not had the benefit of a one on one briefing since forming that opinion as an IL Senator. Events and times have changed… his opinion has not.

“Listening” entails engaging commanders and advisors in briefings… an event that BHO apparently considers an option in defining his policies.

So he goes to Iraq… meets Petraeus. He listened to his concerns, and wrote them off as it just doesn’t fit with his own plan.

After meeting with top U.S. military commanders and members of the Iraqi government, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said Monday his opposition to the surge and support for a firm timetable for the withdrawal of troops hasn’t changed.

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The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee met with Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of American troops in Iraq, and the architect of the troop surge strategy that Obama has opposed.

Obama and Petraeus have also staked out opposing positions on whether there should be a timetable for withdrawing American forces.

Obama said that in his meeting with Petraeus, the general discussed his “deep concerns” about “a timetable that doesn’t take into account what they anticipate might be a change in conditions.”

“My job is to think about the national security interests as a whole and to weigh and balance risks in Afghanistan and Iraq,” Obama said. “Their job is just to get the job done here, and I completely understand that.

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Speaking about his support for a timetable for troop withdrawal, Obama said he wasn’t changing his position by saying he would take into account the assessment of military commanders on the ground.

“What I will refuse to do is to get boxed in into what I consider two false choices,” he said. “Either I have a rigid timeline, come hell or high water, and I am blind to anything that happens in the intervening 16 months, or, alternatively, I am completely deferring to whatever the commanders on the ground say, which is what George Bush says he’s doing, in which case I’m not doing my job as commander in chief. I’m essentially, simply rubber-stamping decisions that are made on the ground.

This proves that BHO is a wannabe Commander in Chief who:

1: doesn’t seek out one on one briefings before forming his own opinions, and
2: doesn’t change his opinion based on what his military commanders are telling him.

So I’d say, if you’re “longing” for a President who chooses his advisors well (and he did choose Petraeus, but you do inherit a great amount of military leadership with the job) and listens to them, you’re gonna be turning blue waiting for that with a President Obama. He’s like the typical 18 year old who knows everything.

The same can not be said of McCain.

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Mata,

I long for a President who chooses his advisers well and then listens to them. Hopefully we will one day soon have a coherent foreign policy. We won’t have a President first saying that anyone who harbors a terrorist is our enemy and then later calling a country that harbors the murderer of 9/11 our “strong ally.” When that day comes no one will be forced to engage in tortured analysis to defend an incoherent, inconsistent foreign policy. You misunderstand. It’s not that I don’t understand what you’re saying; it’s that I don’t understand why you would say it. Once again we should probably agree to disagree.

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“The American officials also said there was new information showing that members of the Pakistani intelligence service were increasingly providing militants with details about the American campaign against them, in some cases allowing militants to avoid American missile strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas. ”

Yep… Pakistan’s govt is filled with corrupt officials in both the army and intelligence service. Then again, so is ours. The official govt position till remains a quasi-ally. However you and your boy, Obama, are eager to change that allied status… courtesy of the man you so love to hate, Dubya… back into a full fledged Muslim enemy with nukes. Brilliant.

They may not be a perfect ally, but they could damn sure be a perfect enemy.

If we found that Spain’s intelligence community was protecting jihadists, I assure you there would be hell to pay.

Are you suggesting the US would invade Spain?? Naw… can’t be. And BTW, Spain has it’s corruption and less than perfect cooperation too. But then Spain is not a predominately Muslim country with deep cultural differences with western culture.

Don’t dispair on ever understanding, Dave. I don’t expect you to “get it”… and frankly, you don’t need to. As long as our next POTUS and military leadership does understand their internal challenges, I’m content if you stay in the dark.

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No, no DW,,,
I was simply illustrating the way the libs operate,, you can look it up in your play book.
You guys do get daily memos on that stuff don’t you??

As far as being a “lie”, nope, just my opinion from what I’ve been reading lately..

I don’t require you to agree, Nobama is a major flip flopper and everyone sees it.. that’s ok too.

I’m outta here for the weekend..

I hope you have a great weekend DW…

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You mean like the left complaining that Bush had a dui or maybe did coke…..

But,,,, I DRAW THE LINE AT HEROIN NOBAMA,,,, that’s ok,, no big deal??

That kind of lie?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

WTF?

No, I mean like the lie of saying that the Left is only making Afghanistan a priority since we “won” in Iraq.

That was a pathetically obvious attempt to change the subject away from your lie.

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DW
This is just a bald-faced lie, and nothing more.

You mean like the left complaining that Bush had a dui or maybe did coke…..

But,,,, I DRAW THE LINE AT HEROIN NOBAMA,,,, that’s ok,, no big deal??

That kind of lie?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Looks like Barry may be jumping on the band wagon again anyway…

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20080729.aspx

http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=300669684393644&kw=Pakistan

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Mata,

I despair of ever understanding your position on Pakistan. You stretch and strain with your analogies to European countries. If we found that Spain’s intelligence community was protecting jihadists, I assure you there would be hell to pay. You might be interested in this:

“The American officials also said there was new information showing that members of the Pakistani intelligence service were increasingly providing militants with details about the American campaign against them, in some cases allowing militants to avoid American missile strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/world/asia/01pstan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

If that is not “harboring” terrorists, we are in Wonderland again.

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I still think it’s odd that before things started going better in Iraq that Afghanistan wasn’t important

This is just a bald-faced lie, and nothing more.

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Again:

His flippin’ driver is worth everything we can throw at him, but Osama himself is not worth the trouble? What kind of upside-down thinking is that?

Explain this, if you would, please.

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Hey Mata,
I think that buzzing you hear is the same buzzing for the last 7 years from the du and daily kos…
Sure sounds like the same tin foil hat wearing crowd to me..

I still think it’s odd that before things started going better in Iraq that Afghanistan wasn’t important… now it’s the hot issue..
Typical libs..

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