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	<title>Comments on: Norwegian govt raises gas taxes to fight AGW and AGW skeptics gain an influential member</title>
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		<title>By: Michael DePaula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael DePaula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Another problem with the left is that they are often more likely to use obscenities in their speech and writing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, because speech and writings are better monotonous and unimpassioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>Another problem with the left is that they are often more likely to use obscenities in their speech and writing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, because speech and writings are better monotonous and unimpassioned.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Assemblyman Lloyd Levine . . .  doesn’t understand economics . . . .&quot; -- M.D.

Neither do mosts of the other Leftists, of whom he is only one of MANY, who are trying to &quot;control&quot; free markets (at  which pt they are no longer &quot;free&quot;) rather than focusing on punishing bad behavior.

Another problem with the left is that they are often more likely to use obscenities in their speech and writing.

&quot;Funny! Naturally, that’s how I view your version of Democracy and capitalism.&quot; --M.D.

NATURALLY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Assemblyman Lloyd Levine . . .  doesn’t understand economics . . . .&#8221; &#8212; M.D.</p>
<p>Neither do mosts of the other Leftists, of whom he is only one of MANY, who are trying to &#8220;control&#8221; free markets (at  which pt they are no longer &#8220;free&#8221;) rather than focusing on punishing bad behavior.</p>
<p>Another problem with the left is that they are often more likely to use obscenities in their speech and writing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Funny! Naturally, that’s how I view your version of Democracy and capitalism.&#8221; &#8211;M.D.</p>
<p>NATURALLY</p>
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		<title>By: Michael DePaula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael DePaula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Left is trying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Assemblyman Lloyd Levine is an asshole who obviously doesn&#039;t understand economics if it came and bit him on the ass.

So we agree that forcing people to switch would be wrong. I trust the markets enough to make owning an old light the economic equivalent of using Lead Acid batteries to power a cell phone.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Like when Gene Wilder, in &quot;Frisco Kid&quot; was carrying a knife and chasing a wild bird, saying, &quot;&lt;em&gt;Here, chicken. I don&#039;t want to hurt you. I just want to make you Kosher.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny! Naturally, that&#039;s how I view your version of Democracy and capitalism. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>The Left is trying.</p></blockquote>
<p>Assemblyman Lloyd Levine is an asshole who obviously doesn&#8217;t understand economics if it came and bit him on the ass.</p>
<p>So we agree that forcing people to switch would be wrong. I trust the markets enough to make owning an old light the economic equivalent of using Lead Acid batteries to power a cell phone.</p>
<blockquote><p>Like when Gene Wilder, in &#8220;Frisco Kid&#8221; was carrying a knife and chasing a wild bird, saying, &#8220;<em>Here, chicken. I don&#8217;t want to hurt you. I just want to make you Kosher.</em>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny! Naturally, that&#8217;s how I view your version of Democracy and capitalism. <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&#039;No one wants to destroy democracy, capitalism, et. al. But I do think that your version of them is pretty shitty.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- Michael DePaula

Bingo!

Like when Gene Wilder, in &quot;Frisco Kid&quot; was carrying a knife and chasing a wild bird, saying, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Here, chicken.  I don&#039;t want to hurt you.  I just want to make you Kosher.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

The sad part is, DePaula probably believes his own propaganda.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Who is forcing you to buy brand X of lightbulbs, cars, toilets, showerheads, etc? &quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- MD

The Left is trying.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/31/tech/main2418348.shtml

...for the &quot;good of the planet&quot; ...yeah, right!  ...like any of them knows what is &quot;good for the planet.&quot;  ...talk about arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><em>&#8216;No one wants to destroy democracy, capitalism, et. al. But I do think that your version of them is pretty shitty.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Michael DePaula</p>
<p>Bingo!</p>
<p>Like when Gene Wilder, in &#8220;Frisco Kid&#8221; was carrying a knife and chasing a wild bird, saying, <em>&#8220;Here, chicken.  I don&#8217;t want to hurt you.  I just want to make you Kosher.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The sad part is, DePaula probably believes his own propaganda.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Who is forcing you to buy brand X of lightbulbs, cars, toilets, showerheads, etc? &#8220;</em> &#8212; MD</p>
<p>The Left is trying.<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/31/tech/main2418348.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/31/tech/main2418348.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8230;for the &#8220;good of the planet&#8221; &#8230;yeah, right!  &#8230;like any of them knows what is &#8220;good for the planet.&#8221;  &#8230;talk about arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael DePaula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael DePaula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, was referring to yonason&#039;s comment #28 where s/he said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But then, they don’t care that the money they receive to &lt;strong&gt;destroy the world &lt;/strong&gt;is dirtier than that from those who are trying to build it. But at least they now know that we know, and care.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who is forcing you to buy brand X of lightbulbs, cars, toilets, showerheads, etc? To my knowledge you are free to buy whatever the hell is sold, but that doesn&#039;t make you immune to paying for electric, gas, and water bills (respectively) when they come. Not all options are created equally. If you&#039;re going to be wasteful with the resources you have access to, well then, you&#039;ll pay for that wastefulness. Simple economy, my friend.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps destruction of capitalism would be more accurate that would also result in the destruction of the freedoms, and democracy, of the West.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another strawman. No one wants to destroy democracy, capitalism, et. al. But I do think that &lt;em&gt;your version&lt;/em&gt; of them is pretty shitty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Nope, was referring to yonason&#8217;s comment #28 where s/he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>But then, they don’t care that the money they receive to <strong>destroy the world </strong>is dirtier than that from those who are trying to build it. But at least they now know that we know, and care.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who is forcing you to buy brand X of lightbulbs, cars, toilets, showerheads, etc? To my knowledge you are free to buy whatever the hell is sold, but that doesn&#8217;t make you immune to paying for electric, gas, and water bills (respectively) when they come. Not all options are created equally. If you&#8217;re going to be wasteful with the resources you have access to, well then, you&#8217;ll pay for that wastefulness. Simple economy, my friend.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps destruction of capitalism would be more accurate that would also result in the destruction of the freedoms, and democracy, of the West.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another strawman. No one wants to destroy democracy, capitalism, et. al. But I do think that <em>your version</em> of them is pretty shitty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Destroy the world&quot; M.D. ???? Who said that? Who is deluded here?

Are you perhaps referring to Yonason&#039;s comment #22 where he said that the goal of environmentalists is: &quot;destruction of the West&quot;???

Perhaps destruction of capitalism would be more accurate that would also result in the destruction of the freedoms, and democracy, of the West.

State control and planning over every element of our lives is already becoming commonplace and environmentalists want to jack it up another few notches.

They have already decreed what kind of lightbulbs we can buy. What kind of cars we can drive. How our toilets and shower heads will work and what kind of washing machine and air conditioners we can own.

They already threaten private property rights which are the most basic set of freedoms that have enabled our capitalist system to be so  much more successful than any other form of government.

And it&#039;s that success which has generated all of the great discoveries that have helped to alleviate disease, povery, illiteracy and hunger worldwide.

Environmentalists would risk tossing all that away without even realizing it and then we would be left incapable of being the benefactor the world in times of need.

You think the Chinese are going to pick up the slack?

Think again. Unless of course you think forced organ donations from the hundreds of thousands put to death by the Chinese in the past decades has been a boon to mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Destroy the world&#8221; M.D. ???? Who said that? Who is deluded here?</p>
<p>Are you perhaps referring to Yonason&#8217;s comment #22 where he said that the goal of environmentalists is: &#8220;destruction of the West&#8221;???</p>
<p>Perhaps destruction of capitalism would be more accurate that would also result in the destruction of the freedoms, and democracy, of the West.</p>
<p>State control and planning over every element of our lives is already becoming commonplace and environmentalists want to jack it up another few notches.</p>
<p>They have already decreed what kind of lightbulbs we can buy. What kind of cars we can drive. How our toilets and shower heads will work and what kind of washing machine and air conditioners we can own.</p>
<p>They already threaten private property rights which are the most basic set of freedoms that have enabled our capitalist system to be so  much more successful than any other form of government.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s that success which has generated all of the great discoveries that have helped to alleviate disease, povery, illiteracy and hunger worldwide.</p>
<p>Environmentalists would risk tossing all that away without even realizing it and then we would be left incapable of being the benefactor the world in times of need.</p>
<p>You think the Chinese are going to pick up the slack?</p>
<p>Think again. Unless of course you think forced organ donations from the hundreds of thousands put to death by the Chinese in the past decades has been a boon to mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael DePaula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael DePaula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s either extreme arrogance or ignorance for you to claim that those MOST concerned with environmental preservation are somehow seeking to &quot;destroy the world&quot;. 

You&#039;ve deluded yourselves to absurd proportions my friends. And what do you have to show for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It&#8217;s either extreme arrogance or ignorance for you to claim that those MOST concerned with environmental preservation are somehow seeking to &#8220;destroy the world&#8221;. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve deluded yourselves to absurd proportions my friends. And what do you have to show for it?</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure just like the anti-war funding from Communist and Marxists does not deter them either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I am sure just like the anti-war funding from Communist and Marxists does not deter them either.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/23/norwegian-govt-raises-gas-taxes-to-fight-agw-and-agw-skeptics-gain-an-influential-member/comment-page-1/#comment-101846</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stix1972

Well, if they didn&#039;t before, they do now.  But then, they don&#039;t care that the money they receive to destroy the world is dirtier than that from those who are trying to build it.  But at least they now know that we know, and care.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;I am sure just like the anti-war funding from Communist and Marxists does not deter them either.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- Stix1972 (#30, below)

Not only that, they&#039;re hearts probably skip a beat at the thrill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Stix1972</p>
<p>Well, if they didn&#8217;t before, they do now.  But then, they don&#8217;t care that the money they receive to destroy the world is dirtier than that from those who are trying to build it.  But at least they now know that we know, and care.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I am sure just like the anti-war funding from Communist and Marxists does not deter them either.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Stix1972 (#30, below)</p>
<p>Not only that, they&#8217;re hearts probably skip a beat at the thrill.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already knew most of that, but I was wondering if our esteemed Goracle Disciples knew.</description>
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