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	<title>Comments on: NYT&#8217;s Rejects McCains Rebuttal To Obama&#8217;s Editorial</title>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-100383</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of both candidates as we approach the fall election for President of the United States.  On Monday, we learned that the NY Times had refused to print an op-ed submitted by John McCain after publishing an op-ed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; How About a Fairness Doctrine for the Mainstream Media?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; How About a Fairness Doctrine for the Mainstream Media?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of both candidates as we approach the fall election for President of the United States.  On Monday, we learned that the NY Times had refused to print an op-ed submitted by John McCain after publishing an op-ed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Edward Cropper</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99998</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Cropper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check my blog for latest reaction by Obama regarding NYT censorship.</description>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99880</link>
		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Other Ed writes on the op-ed:&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d reject this for publication if I ran a newspaper also. It’s pedantic, written at a 8th grade level and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response,&lt;b&gt; it should at least be interesting and say something of value.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s coming from a rival presidential candidate.  That in itself should qualify for &quot;interesting&quot; and &quot;something of value&quot;, even if it were badly written, because it reflects back upon the candidate.  After all, I read Obama&#039;s op-ed as lame, and yet that didn&#039;t stop the NYT from embarrassing the good Senator from Illinois by printing it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The Other Ed writes on the op-ed:<br />
<blockquote>I’d reject this for publication if I ran a newspaper also. It’s pedantic, written at a 8th grade level and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response,<b> it should at least be interesting and say something of value.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s coming from a rival presidential candidate.  That in itself should qualify for &#8220;interesting&#8221; and &#8220;something of value&#8221;, even if it were badly written, because it reflects back upon the candidate.  After all, I read Obama&#8217;s op-ed as lame, and yet that didn&#8217;t stop the NYT from embarrassing the good Senator from Illinois by printing it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99879</link>
		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But the substance of the request does sound &lt;strike&gt;unusual&lt;/strike&gt; Obama-esque in &quot;shaping the battlespace&quot;:&lt;blockquote&gt;It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, &lt;b&gt;timetables&lt;/b&gt; and measures for &lt;b&gt;compelling the Iraqis to cooperate&lt;/b&gt;. And it would need to describe the senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Compelling Iraqis to cooperate&quot;?! Iraqis have been bleeding and dying to move things forward. &quot;Timetables&quot;?! Sounds straight out of the Obama-mindset. And how on earth has Senator Obama laid out a &quot;plan for achieving &lt;strike&gt;victory&lt;/strike&gt; defeat&quot; in &quot;concrete terms&quot;?



Mark Levin&#039;s website asks: &quot;How to get your op-ed in the NYT&quot;

and answers back

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Label it &#039;U.S Government: Top Secret&#039;&quot; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</p></blockquote>
<p>But the substance of the request does sound <strike>unusual</strike> Obama-esque in &#8220;shaping the battlespace&#8221;:<br />
<blockquote>It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, <b>timetables</b> and measures for <b>compelling the Iraqis to cooperate</b>. And it would need to describe the senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Compelling Iraqis to cooperate&#8221;?! Iraqis have been bleeding and dying to move things forward. &#8220;Timetables&#8221;?! Sounds straight out of the Obama-mindset. And how on earth has Senator Obama laid out a &#8220;plan for achieving <strike>victory</strike> defeat&#8221; in &#8220;concrete terms&#8221;?</p>
<p>Mark Levin&#8217;s website asks: &#8220;How to get your op-ed in the NYT&#8221;</p>
<p>and answers back</p>
<p><b><i>Label it &#8216;U.S Government: Top Secret&#8217;&#8221; </i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99811</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to this faux Times outrage...

The NYT has published over seven of McCain&#039;s OpEd pieces.  They said they would publish this one  with a rewrite.  Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Back to this faux Times outrage&#8230;</p>
<p>The NYT has published over seven of McCain&#8217;s OpEd pieces.  They said they would publish this one  with a rewrite.  Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99806</link>
		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Fit Fit was thinking of &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain&#039;s confusion regarding a border between Iraq and Pakistan&lt;/a&gt;. Or maybe it&#039;s just a case of great minds thinking alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Maybe Fit Fit was thinking of <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4" rel="nofollow">McCain&#8217;s confusion regarding a border between Iraq and Pakistan</a>. Or maybe it&#8217;s just a case of great minds thinking alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99805</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not? McCain does...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/mccain_appears.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Why not? McCain does&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/mccain_appears.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: papa_joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>papa_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, er,  Mr Fit fit,
Unlikely that there&#039;ll be a flare-up of violence on Iraq&#039;s border with Pakistan.  In fact I&#039;d say it&#039;s impossible.

Iraq borders Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and has a small coastline on the Persian Gulf .  To get to Pakistan, you&#039;d need to go through Iran from the West border to the east, about  1300 km travel.

But, by all means, comment even if you are unaware of the lay of the land.

Thanks
Papa joe
minneapolis usa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Um, er,  Mr Fit fit,<br />
Unlikely that there&#8217;ll be a flare-up of violence on Iraq&#8217;s border with Pakistan.  In fact I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>Iraq borders Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and has a small coastline on the Persian Gulf .  To get to Pakistan, you&#8217;d need to go through Iran from the West border to the east, about  1300 km travel.</p>
<p>But, by all means, comment even if you are unaware of the lay of the land.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Papa joe<br />
minneapolis usa</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99797</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Authored a post about your last sentence just a few hours ago, Tony... funny that you mention that.  (The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Where Obama Fears to Tread....&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; one)

However I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath waiting for some fluorescent lightbulb bright media to ask him about that.  They are as clueless as he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Authored a post about your last sentence just a few hours ago, Tony&#8230; funny that you mention that.  (The <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/" rel="nofollow"><b>Where Obama Fears to Tread&#8230;.</b></a> one)</p>
<p>However I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath waiting for some fluorescent lightbulb bright media to ask him about that.  They are as clueless as he is.</p>
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