As the daughter of 1st generation born Americans, all I can say to you, Helen, is AMEN! I’m with you, girl!! And you put it beautifully. A delight to see you here.

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I will never understand the people of the USA. The only people that can see what’s going on are the first generation born Americans , Because they’re parents came from Europe where they lived under communism, and not so bad socialism they know what this Obama is all about. Go ahead vote for him in 4 years time or less you’ll be kicking yourself. When you work your head off and it’s taken away from you to give to the lazy slobs that. refuse to work.Haven’t you had enough of welfare where the ones that have a dozen babies get everything for free and they sit on their fat asses getting fatter and drive expensive cars, while you drive a car that’s spits and sputters. Yet they take your money to support these people, these people are living better than you. Wait till Obama gets in then cry and wish you never voted for him.

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And this tells me what at 4 months before the election? McGovern was ahead of Reagan at this time also. And we know what happened there don’t we. Polls are meaningless except on election day.

Did they put Nader in this poll? He will take more away from Obama probably than Barr will with the conservatives.

I am hopeful that the conservaitves will not do the same thing they did in 2006 and have all 3 branches of the government under the control of the Socialists inthe Democrat Party

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“Warning signs for” McCain…

Pollster John Zogby: “Obama is in the driver’s seat right now, especially where it really counts – in the electoral votes. Bob Barr could really hurt McCain’s chances. McCain can’t afford the level of slippage to Barr we found among conservatives in this polling. While there has been plenty of talk about Obama’s recent emphasis on his centrist positions, he can get away with it during these dog days of the campaign as McCain finds himself still trying to shore up the conservative base. McCain will have to move to the center because right now Obama is clobbering him among independents. But there is the rub for McCain: Bob Barr has some juice among conservatives and is hurting him in several states. ”

Bob Barr receives the support of 7% of voters who identify themselves as conservative or very conservative voters. Barr gets 43% of libertarians and 11% of independents. McCain’s support among conservatives is 74%. On the left, Ralph Nader gets less than 2% nationally.

Obama has the support of 83% of Democrats, while McCain gets 75% of Republicans.

Independents break 39% for Obama, compared with 31% who support McCain.

For white voters, race doesn’t appear to be playing a significant factor. McCain leads Obama, 43%-39%, with Barr at 6%. Among black voters, Obama wins the vast majority of support.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=2101

Like I said above, “important numbers” aren’t just for Obama.

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Oh my word… #24 and #22… You guys agreed on something! The value of polls, and chatting with me… :0)

Well, I like chatting with you guys too.

Dunno how I’ll be much more of a poll fan after the convention, Doug. My impression of polls is that they are the tail wagging the dog, ya know. If people didn’t believe something before they read a poll result, they are likely to trend that way. Also, most polls are nothing more than a regurgitation that the past week or two of MSM headlines. I guess I fail to see how that will change post conventions.

But hey… you two like ‘em. I think I’ll bask in the moment of political harmony and convergence here….

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JackV: I’m not a McCain fan either. On behalf of what McCain called “my blogging friends” I personally questioned him at length about some of his stands that gave conservatives like me nightmares.

As we saw in 2006 there were quite a few conservatives (or at least they claimed to be and I’m all that sure they were) who said they were disgusted with the GOP and that we needed to be taught a lesson. So, they didn’t vote.

Do you think THEY LEARNED their lesson or will they repeat that mistake again?

I don’t know.

We only have two choices and not voting is not a third choice, it is a default vote for Obama.

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Mike,

I am not fond of McCain. However, those GOP voters who don’t like him have two alternatives. They can sit the election out and hand the country to Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Or they can hold their noses and vote for McCain.

My money is on the second alternative.

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JacK V: Spiro Agnew would also have correctly described “Arthur” (that’s not his real name) as a “nattering nabob of negativity.”

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I have some professional experience with polls. They are a useful instrument. We used to average them by hand in the White House Political Office and draw electoral maps, again by hand (this was 20 years ago and computers couldn’t do it quite yet) for a weekly analysis.

But that was more for show than anything else. The really useful polling information comes from a candidates private polling, which is done on a daily basis to give some overall sense of the up and downs reflecting current events and campaign tactics.

At this stage, all this poll watching of media polls doesn’t mean a heck of a lot except to create some type of baseline for further analysis later.

Still, I have always wondered whether the former Hillary voters who won’t vote for Obama will be outnumbered by the GOP voters who can’t stand McCain?

P.S. I enjoy my chats with MataH too !

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I’m sure that the Democrats will have a huge bounce in the polls after the convention in Denver. The freaks of “Recreate 68″ will engage in violence with the police and probably burn down half the city. It will be 68 all over again….the Democrats fielding the most leftist candidate since George McGovern, losing in a landslide! The usually reliable blue collar union vote will not be there for Obama. Those bitter gun toting, bible clutching rednecks have long memories!

A Seattle art dealer? What Spiro Agnew accurately referred to as effete intellectual snobs! You are so far removed from the reality of daily living in America that you can barely see the planet.

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