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	<title>Comments on: B. Hussein Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Patriotism Speech&#8221; [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92943</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Hussein Noble confirms that he is imposing standards for our discussion here while exempting himself.

Pretty typical of a liberal to tell everyone else what is permissible to say while allowing perfect freedom for his own insult laden rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Dave Hussein Noble confirms that he is imposing standards for our discussion here while exempting himself.</p>
<p>Pretty typical of a liberal to tell everyone else what is permissible to say while allowing perfect freedom for his own insult laden rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92752</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz/Buffoon,

It isn&#039;t really a reading comprehension problem.  If I call you a shithead, that doesn&#039;t literally mean your head is made out of excrement.  But it would still be a vulgar insult that would indicate I can&#039;t think of anything better to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Buzz/Buffoon,</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t really a reading comprehension problem.  If I call you a shithead, that doesn&#8217;t literally mean your head is made out of excrement.  But it would still be a vulgar insult that would indicate I can&#8217;t think of anything better to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92750</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez Buffoon, maybe you should have decided to have just said disease ridden dreams to imply that what he wants to do is sick and infectious and not at all healthy with the possibility of leaving physical markings.  Because apparently an attempt at being more descriptive is just racist.

Join the circus Dave, because the effort you had to go to to twist yourself into that bit of a logic should be an act.

Let it be known that Dave Noble believes that when we begin accusing Obama&#039;s campaign of mudslinging, he actually believes that we&#039;re literally accusing them of throwing mud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Geez Buffoon, maybe you should have decided to have just said disease ridden dreams to imply that what he wants to do is sick and infectious and not at all healthy with the possibility of leaving physical markings.  Because apparently an attempt at being more descriptive is just racist.</p>
<p>Join the circus Dave, because the effort you had to go to to twist yourself into that bit of a logic should be an act.</p>
<p>Let it be known that Dave Noble believes that when we begin accusing Obama&#8217;s campaign of mudslinging, he actually believes that we&#8217;re literally accusing them of throwing mud.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92745</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the wagons circle to protect the irrational rhetoric of one of your own, let this troll (see, that’s a label, it doesn’t address what I said, it’s a way of declaring me a free-fire zone where no logic or fact  need be applied), reply:

First, I post pretty regularly here.  I don’t know whether that still makes me a troll, unless that term also implies “foreigner” with different views.  I notice that the more careful my arguments are (or I try to make them), the more likely they are to die on the vine (thread).  Whether or not you think they’re good or bad arguments is not the point; they are attempts to engage you in debate.  But if I dare to call a post for what it is, i.e, a rant, full of emotion, but devoid of reason, the wagons circle faster than you can say El Rusbo.

BarbaraS,

You have my number -- I am anti-American liberal.  I am a liberal, but please explain how you arrived at the conclusion I was anti-American.  You know my modus operandi and even my motives.  I annoy you.  You know everything that’s going to come out of my mouth.  Maybe you might try engaging me in debate sometimes.  You have ample opportunity on this site.  Instead you’ve chosen to join the wagons and fire out from within their safety.

Mike,

If I say no response may have been the most responsible action, that does not mean a response is irresponsible, it means it’s less responsible.  There is a spectrum here as there is with negative comments.  Labels thrown out willy-nilly like troll, anti-American, Marxist are a way of avoiding addressing what was said.  Asking someone whether they are on their medication is not a love-pat, but it is a valid response to an irrational rant.  And a little well-placed sarcasm adds a little spice.  

I don&#039;t owe anybody apology.  If you come out with the kind of filth that Mr. B. just did, you deserve to be called on it.  All others on this site who choose to forego vile insults don&#039;t fall under my criticism.  It&#039;s that simple, man.

DW,

Good to see you outside the wagons.  I don&#039;t think a lack of intelligence or education is Mr. B&#039;s problem.  I think it&#039;s anger that gets in the way of reason.  Hear that, Mr. B?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>As the wagons circle to protect the irrational rhetoric of one of your own, let this troll (see, that’s a label, it doesn’t address what I said, it’s a way of declaring me a free-fire zone where no logic or fact  need be applied), reply:</p>
<p>First, I post pretty regularly here.  I don’t know whether that still makes me a troll, unless that term also implies “foreigner” with different views.  I notice that the more careful my arguments are (or I try to make them), the more likely they are to die on the vine (thread).  Whether or not you think they’re good or bad arguments is not the point; they are attempts to engage you in debate.  But if I dare to call a post for what it is, i.e, a rant, full of emotion, but devoid of reason, the wagons circle faster than you can say El Rusbo.</p>
<p>BarbaraS,</p>
<p>You have my number &#8212; I am anti-American liberal.  I am a liberal, but please explain how you arrived at the conclusion I was anti-American.  You know my modus operandi and even my motives.  I annoy you.  You know everything that’s going to come out of my mouth.  Maybe you might try engaging me in debate sometimes.  You have ample opportunity on this site.  Instead you’ve chosen to join the wagons and fire out from within their safety.</p>
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>If I say no response may have been the most responsible action, that does not mean a response is irresponsible, it means it’s less responsible.  There is a spectrum here as there is with negative comments.  Labels thrown out willy-nilly like troll, anti-American, Marxist are a way of avoiding addressing what was said.  Asking someone whether they are on their medication is not a love-pat, but it is a valid response to an irrational rant.  And a little well-placed sarcasm adds a little spice.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t owe anybody apology.  If you come out with the kind of filth that Mr. B. just did, you deserve to be called on it.  All others on this site who choose to forego vile insults don&#8217;t fall under my criticism.  It&#8217;s that simple, man.</p>
<p>DW,</p>
<p>Good to see you outside the wagons.  I don&#8217;t think a lack of intelligence or education is Mr. B&#8217;s problem.  I think it&#8217;s anger that gets in the way of reason.  Hear that, Mr. B?</p>
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		<title>By: Buffoon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92739</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz, at least we understand what I said, ...

Dave, good luck with your life......  and that doesn&#039;t mean I think you have polio..... based on your reading comprehension you may get the two mixed up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Buzz, at least we understand what I said, &#8230;</p>
<p>Dave, good luck with your life&#8230;&#8230;  and that doesn&#8217;t mean I think you have polio&#8230;.. based on your reading comprehension you may get the two mixed up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92735</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz,

Now my friend, you are the Rubber Band Man.  That was the most strained attempt at an intellectual justification of unfounded, tastless calumny I have ever heard.  If you used all that intellect to make reasoned arguments we might have some fun here.

Given the Tuskegee experiment, I would say that for no reason associating syphillis with a black man is as beyond the pale as challenging John McCain to a pullup contest.  This is what I&#039;m talking about when I refer to filthy insults.  You want an example -- that&#039;s one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Buzz,</p>
<p>Now my friend, you are the Rubber Band Man.  That was the most strained attempt at an intellectual justification of unfounded, tastless calumny I have ever heard.  If you used all that intellect to make reasoned arguments we might have some fun here.</p>
<p>Given the Tuskegee experiment, I would say that for no reason associating syphillis with a black man is as beyond the pale as challenging John McCain to a pullup contest.  This is what I&#8217;m talking about when I refer to filthy insults.  You want an example &#8212; that&#8217;s one.</p>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
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		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Of course I didn’t take the time in a post to mention how I worked in a factory while going to college.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hold on--let me call the waahhmbulance.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You do realize that if someone was accused of having verbal diarrhea, that they don’t actually have shit coming out of their mouth when they talk don’t you?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since there is no such actual affliction as &quot;verbal diarrhea,&quot; the &quot;verbal&quot; part makes this a metaphor--a relatively common metaphor, actually.  It compares the verbal outpouring of a loquacious person to the fecal outpouring of a person with diarrhea.

I&#039;ve never encountered &quot;syphilis-ridden&quot; used as a metaphor, though.  What, pray tell, would he being comparing Obama to, if not a person with syphilis?

Your attempt at spin is pointless, however, because Buffoon--far from explaining how he was writing metaphorically--&lt;I&gt;actually takes the time to define each word&lt;/I&gt;.  He &lt;I&gt;underscores&lt;/I&gt; the fact that he meant each thing literally, rather than figuratively.

Listen, buddy:  if you&#039;re going to hide behind &quot;I worked in a factory while going to college&quot; to explain why you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about and why you can&#039;t express yourself clearly, you might not want to get into an in-depth discussion of literal vs. figurative language.</description>
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Of course I didn’t take the time in a post to mention how I worked in a factory while going to college.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Hold on&#8211;let me call the waahhmbulance.</p>
<blockquote><p>
You do realize that if someone was accused of having verbal diarrhea, that they don’t actually have shit coming out of their mouth when they talk don’t you?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Since there is no such actual affliction as &#8220;verbal diarrhea,&#8221; the &#8220;verbal&#8221; part makes this a metaphor&#8211;a relatively common metaphor, actually.  It compares the verbal outpouring of a loquacious person to the fecal outpouring of a person with diarrhea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never encountered &#8220;syphilis-ridden&#8221; used as a metaphor, though.  What, pray tell, would he being comparing Obama to, if not a person with syphilis?</p>
<p>Your attempt at spin is pointless, however, because Buffoon&#8211;far from explaining how he was writing metaphorically&#8211;<i>actually takes the time to define each word</i>.  He <i>underscores</i> the fact that he meant each thing literally, rather than figuratively.</p>
<p>Listen, buddy:  if you&#8217;re going to hide behind &#8220;I worked in a factory while going to college&#8221; to explain why you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about and why you can&#8217;t express yourself clearly, you might not want to get into an in-depth discussion of literal vs. figurative language.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;P.P.S.: I noticed several errors in the excerpt I quoted from your post, Buzz. Your education, apparently, is the one that didn’t go very well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course I didn&#039;t take the time in a post to mention how I worked in a factory while going to college.

And I&#039;m able to comprehend that calling someone&#039;s dream syphylis ridden is not the same as saying someone has syphylis.  Clearly you don&#039;t realize that.  You do realize that if someone was accused of having verbal diarrhea, that they don&#039;t actually have shit coming out of their mouth when they talk don&#039;t you?  Maybe you don&#039;t, based on your lack of reading skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>P.P.S.: I noticed several errors in the excerpt I quoted from your post, Buzz. Your education, apparently, is the one that didn’t go very well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course I didn&#8217;t take the time in a post to mention how I worked in a factory while going to college.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m able to comprehend that calling someone&#8217;s dream syphylis ridden is not the same as saying someone has syphylis.  Clearly you don&#8217;t realize that.  You do realize that if someone was accused of having verbal diarrhea, that they don&#8217;t actually have shit coming out of their mouth when they talk don&#8217;t you?  Maybe you don&#8217;t, based on your lack of reading skills.</p>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92608</link>
		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Now read these and then tell me if you understand now…
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You copied and pasted the definitions of several words.  &lt;I&gt;All&lt;/I&gt; of the definitions, taken singly and together, reinforce the interpretation that has been discussed.  By posting those defintions, you left yourself absolutely no wiggle room at all.  Congrats!</description>
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Now read these and then tell me if you understand now…
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<p>You copied and pasted the definitions of several words.  <i>All</i> of the definitions, taken singly and together, reinforce the interpretation that has been discussed.  By posting those defintions, you left yourself absolutely no wiggle room at all.  Congrats!</p>
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		<title>By: Buffoon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/07/01/b-hussein-obamas-patriotism-speech-reader-post/#comment-92602</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Main Entry:
    syph·i·lis Listen to the pronunciation of syphilis
Pronunciation:
    \ˈsi-f(ə-)ləs\ 
Function:
    noun 
Etymology:
    New Latin, from Syphilus, hero of the poem Syphilis sive Morbus Gallicus (Syphilis or the French disease) (1530) by Girolamo Fracastoro died 1553 Italian poet and physician
Date:
    1718

: a chronic contagious usually venereal and often congenital disease caused by a spirochete (Treponema pallidum) and if left untreated producing chancres, rashes, and systemic lesions in a clinical course with three stages continued over many years — 
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Main Entry:
    rid·den Listen to the pronunciation of ridden
Pronunciation:
    \ˈri-dən\ 
Function:
    adjective 
Date:
    1653

1 : harassed, oppressed, or obsessed by —usually used in combination  2 : excessively full of or supplied with —usually used in combination 
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Main Entry:
    1dream Listen to the pronunciation of 1dream
Pronunciation:
    \ˈdrēm\ 
Function:
    noun 
Usage:
    often attributive 
Etymology:
    Middle English dreem, from Old English drēam noise, joy, and Old Norse draumr dream; akin to Old High German troum dream
Date:
    13th century

1: a series of thoughts, images, or emotions occurring during sleep — compare rem sleep2: an experience of waking life having the characteristics of a dream: as a: a visionary creation of the imagination : daydream b: a state of mind marked by abstraction or release from reality : reverie c: an object seen in a dreamlike state : vision 3: something notable for its beauty, excellence, or enjoyable quality 4 a: a strongly desired goal or purpose &lt;a&gt; b: something that fully satisfies a wish : ideal &lt;a&gt;
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Now read these and then tell me if you understand now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Main Entry:<br />
    syph·i·lis Listen to the pronunciation of syphilis<br />
Pronunciation:<br />
    \ˈsi-f(ə-)ləs\<br />
Function:<br />
    noun<br />
Etymology:<br />
    New Latin, from Syphilus, hero of the poem Syphilis sive Morbus Gallicus (Syphilis or the French disease) (1530) by Girolamo Fracastoro died 1553 Italian poet and physician<br />
Date:<br />
    1718</p>
<p>: a chronic contagious usually venereal and often congenital disease caused by a spirochete (Treponema pallidum) and if left untreated producing chancres, rashes, and systemic lesions in a clinical course with three stages continued over many years —<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Main Entry:<br />
    rid·den Listen to the pronunciation of ridden<br />
Pronunciation:<br />
    \ˈri-dən\<br />
Function:<br />
    adjective<br />
Date:<br />
    1653</p>
<p>1 : harassed, oppressed, or obsessed by —usually used in combination  2 : excessively full of or supplied with —usually used in combination<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Main Entry:<br />
    1dream Listen to the pronunciation of 1dream<br />
Pronunciation:<br />
    \ˈdrēm\<br />
Function:<br />
    noun<br />
Usage:<br />
    often attributive<br />
Etymology:<br />
    Middle English dreem, from Old English drēam noise, joy, and Old Norse draumr dream; akin to Old High German troum dream<br />
Date:<br />
    13th century</p>
<p>1: a series of thoughts, images, or emotions occurring during sleep — compare rem sleep2: an experience of waking life having the characteristics of a dream: as a: a visionary creation of the imagination : daydream b: a state of mind marked by abstraction or release from reality : reverie c: an object seen in a dreamlike state : vision 3: something notable for its beauty, excellence, or enjoyable quality 4 a: a strongly desired goal or purpose <a> b: something that fully satisfies a wish : ideal </a><a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Now read these and then tell me if you understand now&#8230;</a></p>
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