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	<title>Comments on: If Obama Goes Down, This Time Liberalism Goes Down With Him [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: GI Joe</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/06/23/if-obama-goes-down-this-time-liberalism-goes-down-with-him/#comment-88963</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you said is exactly why BHO is unelectable, even with MSM total support; &#039;i would no more vote for obama than put my kids up for adoption. he is so freakin scary, you can see through it if your blinders are not on. we are not rcacists, we are people who are tired of watching the left slowly take away every sigle right we have&#039;. 
No matter what the NeoComs rant about BHO as President at this time is not going to happen. remember the only reason the BJC barely got elected was the &#039;Peace Dividend&#039; due to the end of the Cold War. BHO ain&#039;t BJC, he is far, far left of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>What you said is exactly why BHO is unelectable, even with MSM total support; &#8216;i would no more vote for obama than put my kids up for adoption. he is so freakin scary, you can see through it if your blinders are not on. we are not rcacists, we are people who are tired of watching the left slowly take away every sigle right we have&#8217;.<br />
No matter what the NeoComs rant about BHO as President at this time is not going to happen. remember the only reason the BJC barely got elected was the &#8216;Peace Dividend&#8217; due to the end of the Cold War. BHO ain&#8217;t BJC, he is far, far left of him.</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would no more vote for obama than put my kids up for adoption.  he is so freakin scary, you can see through it if your blinders are not on.  we are not rcacists, we are people who are tired of watching the left slowly take away every sigle right we have.  this was once a nation based on freedom, not any longer unless you are in strange bed room habits that involve animals, then you are protected by the aclu.  go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>i would no more vote for obama than put my kids up for adoption.  he is so freakin scary, you can see through it if your blinders are not on.  we are not rcacists, we are people who are tired of watching the left slowly take away every sigle right we have.  this was once a nation based on freedom, not any longer unless you are in strange bed room habits that involve animals, then you are protected by the aclu.  go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if john ryan would watch some Fox News &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87919&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;he would have known&lt;/a&gt; that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;President Bush&#039;s policy&lt;/a&gt; on offshore drilling &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87964&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has not changed&lt;/a&gt;.

john ryan has never been one to tire himself out with the pursuit of knowledge or truth, so this is not a surprising development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Perhaps if john ryan would watch some Fox News <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87919" rel="nofollow">he would have known</a> that <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87925" rel="nofollow">President Bush&#8217;s policy</a> on offshore drilling <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/21/president-bush-hits-high-gas-prices-democrats-in-radio-address/#comment-87964" rel="nofollow">has not changed</a>.</p>
<p>john ryan has never been one to tire himself out with the pursuit of knowledge or truth, so this is not a surprising development.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/06/23/if-obama-goes-down-this-time-liberalism-goes-down-with-him/#comment-88576</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a reason why only about 10% of the population chooses to watch Fox News (the only right of center news) during the prime time news hour.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really, John Ryan?  If Fox only gets 10%, what  percentage does CNN and MSNBC have then, considering that Fox has had the #1 prime news ratings consistently for the past 7-9 years?  Could it be that other 90% are watching Extra, Inside Hollywood, etal?  Because they sure aren&#039;t watching competitive news shows.

Those minority conservatives must sure pile in to the talk radio shows too.  Top rated radio commentators?  All conservative.  I believe the current line up is Rush/Hannity/Savage.  

By contrast Air America&#039;s needed bailing out.   They&#039;re about the biggest known names for liberal talk.  Oh my...

So if you&#039;re suggesting no one wants news that doesn&#039;t suit your particular liberal approach, you&#039;re obviously ignoring both cable news and talk radio stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>There is a reason why only about 10% of the population chooses to watch Fox News (the only right of center news) during the prime time news hour.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really, John Ryan?  If Fox only gets 10%, what  percentage does CNN and MSNBC have then, considering that Fox has had the #1 prime news ratings consistently for the past 7-9 years?  Could it be that other 90% are watching Extra, Inside Hollywood, etal?  Because they sure aren&#8217;t watching competitive news shows.</p>
<p>Those minority conservatives must sure pile in to the talk radio shows too.  Top rated radio commentators?  All conservative.  I believe the current line up is Rush/Hannity/Savage.  </p>
<p>By contrast Air America&#8217;s needed bailing out.   They&#8217;re about the biggest known names for liberal talk.  Oh my&#8230;</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re suggesting no one wants news that doesn&#8217;t suit your particular liberal approach, you&#8217;re obviously ignoring both cable news and talk radio stats.</p>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
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		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t you guys find another way to phrase things?  &quot;In the tank&quot;; &quot;throw under the bus&quot;; &quot;Bush Derangement Syndrome&quot;--they&#039;re used up by now.  Be nice to the language and come up with different ways to express the same thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Can&#8217;t you guys find another way to phrase things?  &#8220;In the tank&#8221;; &#8220;throw under the bus&#8221;; &#8220;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#8221;&#8211;they&#8217;re used up by now.  Be nice to the language and come up with different ways to express the same thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: john ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes there is a giant conspiracy so immense that only 1%  are enlightened enough to be able to see through it. Look, Americans have a wide variety of news sources the ones that they choose are the ones that they like and are comfortable with watching. There is a reason why only about 10% of the population chooses to watch Fox News (the only right of center news) during the prime time news hour. And it is not because SOROS  has some secret power that forces them to watch the other stations. McCain  is trending downward in all of the polls, Obama is trending upward hoping that some scandal  is somehow going to pull the Republicans out of their hole is not the way to win an election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yes there is a giant conspiracy so immense that only 1%  are enlightened enough to be able to see through it. Look, Americans have a wide variety of news sources the ones that they choose are the ones that they like and are comfortable with watching. There is a reason why only about 10% of the population chooses to watch Fox News (the only right of center news) during the prime time news hour. And it is not because SOROS  has some secret power that forces them to watch the other stations. McCain  is trending downward in all of the polls, Obama is trending upward hoping that some scandal  is somehow going to pull the Republicans out of their hole is not the way to win an election</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However it won’t be enough against this huge pile of scandals! Long line of shady associates and even shadier line of endorsing tyrants could seed dubt even into activists and die hard fans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re actually assuming the public will see coverage on the scandals like the would possibly deserve or be covered in a way that they would had it been a Republican candidate.  The MSM is so in the tank for Obama they&#039;re doing everything they can to mitigate the scandals the minute they pop up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>However it won’t be enough against this huge pile of scandals! Long line of shady associates and even shadier line of endorsing tyrants could seed dubt even into activists and die hard fans.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re actually assuming the public will see coverage on the scandals like the would possibly deserve or be covered in a way that they would had it been a Republican candidate.  The MSM is so in the tank for Obama they&#8217;re doing everything they can to mitigate the scandals the minute they pop up.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question re: the birth certificate issue....

Assume for the moment that the birth certificate issue is _not_ the problem Barbara(4) mentions - that is father = arab, both parents state they are muslim - but rather the natural born citizen issue.  There hasn&#039;t been a great deal of discussion of it, other than a very few blogs, but you can bet that important people are aware of it.  Nevertheless,  the issue hasn&#039;t been raised....  Why not?  It was with McCain...

So also assume that things go as expected and Obama is duly designated as the Democratic candidate.  Who is mostly likely to challenge his candidacy based on the natural born status (or lack thereof)?  If he is disqualified(by the courts, I&#039;d assume), who becomes the candidate and how does it come about?  VP candidate?  New Democratic convention???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Question re: the birth certificate issue&#8230;.</p>
<p>Assume for the moment that the birth certificate issue is _not_ the problem Barbara(4) mentions &#8211; that is father = arab, both parents state they are muslim &#8211; but rather the natural born citizen issue.  There hasn&#8217;t been a great deal of discussion of it, other than a very few blogs, but you can bet that important people are aware of it.  Nevertheless,  the issue hasn&#8217;t been raised&#8230;.  Why not?  It was with McCain&#8230;</p>
<p>So also assume that things go as expected and Obama is duly designated as the Democratic candidate.  Who is mostly likely to challenge his candidacy based on the natural born status (or lack thereof)?  If he is disqualified(by the courts, I&#8217;d assume), who becomes the candidate and how does it come about?  VP candidate?  New Democratic convention???</p>
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		<title>By: Peterus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It will be liberals all over the world&quot;
No ... world calls guys that want liberalism waist down and communism in economy - socialists. In US they stole the name, but they are hardly &quot;liberals&quot; anymore. Well... lefties are really good in word games, no wonder they made better name for themselves in US. Being called socialists they&#039;d have a hard time in your country.

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I think Obama will fall. His charisma and simple fact - that some people will vote democratic nominee anyway - will give him an edge. However it won&#039;t be enough against this huge pile of scandals! Long line of shady associates and even shadier line of endorsing tyrants could seed dubt even into activists and die hard fans. Declaring support is one thing, acutally voting for a guy you&#039;re not shure about is another.

McCain may go play in the center, considering Obama is on far left. Plus he had no destructive duel like Clinton-Obama. Plus if all goes well Iraq will look really good in the autumn. Now even left leaning papers are forced to admit what&#039;s happening there. If it stays this way Iraq may not be Obamas trump, but mcCains.

Plus - best dirt is stored for last moment. Obama was fired upon by Clinton specialists a lot, though independant ppl find tons of dirt on him almost constantly. I belive mc Cain&#039;s ppl will find something really, really good and fire it at last possible moment. There&#039;s so much on him already, it&#039;d be strange he had not one more really deep, but not very presidential secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;It will be liberals all over the world&#8221;<br />
No &#8230; world calls guys that want liberalism waist down and communism in economy &#8211; socialists. In US they stole the name, but they are hardly &#8220;liberals&#8221; anymore. Well&#8230; lefties are really good in word games, no wonder they made better name for themselves in US. Being called socialists they&#8217;d have a hard time in your country.</p>
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I think Obama will fall. His charisma and simple fact &#8211; that some people will vote democratic nominee anyway &#8211; will give him an edge. However it won&#8217;t be enough against this huge pile of scandals! Long line of shady associates and even shadier line of endorsing tyrants could seed dubt even into activists and die hard fans. Declaring support is one thing, acutally voting for a guy you&#8217;re not shure about is another.</p>
<p>McCain may go play in the center, considering Obama is on far left. Plus he had no destructive duel like Clinton-Obama. Plus if all goes well Iraq will look really good in the autumn. Now even left leaning papers are forced to admit what&#8217;s happening there. If it stays this way Iraq may not be Obamas trump, but mcCains.</p>
<p>Plus &#8211; best dirt is stored for last moment. Obama was fired upon by Clinton specialists a lot, though independant ppl find tons of dirt on him almost constantly. I belive mc Cain&#8217;s ppl will find something really, really good and fire it at last possible moment. There&#8217;s so much on him already, it&#8217;d be strange he had not one more really deep, but not very presidential secret.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about the reason he is defeated.  Just so he is.  He is a danger to this country.  There&#039;s no telling where he would take us.  Just look at all the terrorists and dictators who have endorsed him.  They can see how weak he would be.  They probably realize they could lead him around by his nose.  Just give him a sob story and he will fall for it hook, line and sinker. 

 He is clever.  I&#039;ll give him that.  But he is not as intelligent  as he thinks he is or that his followers think he is.  Has he made any statement or promise that he has not reneged on?  How many  associates or friends has he desavowed?  The man is an average  Chicago politician and he will say and do anything to be elected.  Just look at the way he tells each group what they want to hear even though it is the oppoiste of what he said the day before. 

 He has now moved the DNC to his home territory.  Even if he loses the DNC will still be there in Chicago.  That was a power grab in and of itself.  AS if the democrats were not crooked enough now they will be located in the heart of the second crooked city in the country. The most crooked city is New Orleans.

AS I have said before the reason he will not release his birth certificate is because his father is listed as an arab and in the religion column both his mother and father are listed as Islam.  His father&#039;s family has been adamant that they are arabs not africans.  They look down on Africans just like the Arabs in Darfur do.  If this birth certificate is released he would lose more than half of the African American community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t care about the reason he is defeated.  Just so he is.  He is a danger to this country.  There&#8217;s no telling where he would take us.  Just look at all the terrorists and dictators who have endorsed him.  They can see how weak he would be.  They probably realize they could lead him around by his nose.  Just give him a sob story and he will fall for it hook, line and sinker. </p>
<p> He is clever.  I&#8217;ll give him that.  But he is not as intelligent  as he thinks he is or that his followers think he is.  Has he made any statement or promise that he has not reneged on?  How many  associates or friends has he desavowed?  The man is an average  Chicago politician and he will say and do anything to be elected.  Just look at the way he tells each group what they want to hear even though it is the oppoiste of what he said the day before. </p>
<p> He has now moved the DNC to his home territory.  Even if he loses the DNC will still be there in Chicago.  That was a power grab in and of itself.  AS if the democrats were not crooked enough now they will be located in the heart of the second crooked city in the country. The most crooked city is New Orleans.</p>
<p>AS I have said before the reason he will not release his birth certificate is because his father is listed as an arab and in the religion column both his mother and father are listed as Islam.  His father&#8217;s family has been adamant that they are arabs not africans.  They look down on Africans just like the Arabs in Darfur do.  If this birth certificate is released he would lose more than half of the African American community.</p>
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