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Still waiting for Dave Hussein Nobel’s apology for the “filthy” site insults and “paranoid, racist” comments…..

Oh well… I guess if you live in Libby Land, you are exempt from the same standards you try and impose on the rest of us.

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Excellent suggestion, Mata.

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Buzz,

How about responding to Comment 44 – I thought that was where we were at in this discussion.
We were talking about national healthcare. The subject changed. Did you take a short nap?

That’s some dandy tap-dancing – Ignore the post right above me that I’m not ready to respond to – Let’s talk about middle names and insults again

You really are afraid to have a meaningful debate.

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Dave Noble

INRE your comment:

Finally, why do you think we are the only First World country that doesn’t have a nationalized healthcare system? I’m curious.

I’m going to respond, but let’s move this section away from the “race card” thread, and start it under the more current post from Curt on the Canada’s Socialist Healthcare thread instead. It’s more relevant, and easier to keep the thread theme in place. Okay?

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At Comment #38 Dave Noble said:

“Oh, and Mike, when you want to talk about something more significant and interesting than middle names, I’m here for you too. Cat-cher’s Mitt. I get it.”

So why is it that you keep bringing the subject up?

Would you like me to go back through and count the number of times you have referenced Obama’s middle name?

Comments #5, #7, #12, #16.

Are you going to adopt the style typical of Obama cultists and add “Hussein” to your screen name now?

As for your contention in comment #28 “I challenge you to find one of my posts in which I even used the word paranoid. I don’t believe I ever have.” I believe you have been corrected on that score multiple times.

Did you ever apologize for making such a slur towards readers and commenters while at the same time wailing about how “filthy” with insults this site is?

Do you need a time out Dave?

Man up!

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Buzz,

Well, you do win the prize for how many times you can use the word “moron” in one post. If you keep up like this, pretty soon your whole post will just be “moron” repeated over and over again.

Now stop sputtering “moron” for a moment, take a deep breath and look at my post again. Do you see a cite to Michael Moore anywhere? Now look at my IM statistics. They come from the CIA Factbook, not the WHO. The longevity statistics come from the WHO. Do you doubt those statistics?

Having done that, please provide substantiation/source for your description of how the WHO calculates IM stats and how other countries report them. Further, “most of the world” is not precise enough. Let’s leave Cuba out for the sake of argument. Can you substantiate that Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, Norway, France and Sweden all report IM as you describe?

The US has wait lists for surgery. Do you have statistics that show how they compare to countries with nationalized healthcare?

Finally, why do you think we are the only First World country that doesn’t have a nationalized healthcare system? I’m curious.

BTW, it doesn’t matter what healthcare system Buzz wants to live under.
What matters is the facts.

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I have no reason to defend the VA.

The US has the 180th highest IM rate of the countries monitored. Guess who is 181? South Korea. Guess who is 182? Cuba. A newborn baby stands a better chance of living in Cuba than it does in the US.

Congratulations, you really are an idiot. I think this has even been discussed here among other places.

First you are actually believing Cuba’s numbers. You’re a moron. Second the comparison of infant mortality in the US in comparison to the rest of the world is an apples to oranges comparison. Most of the world applies the WHO formula for infant mortality. That involves babies being born under a certain weight are not counted for infant mortality if that baby dies. Even if the baby is alive at birth. It was underweight so it doesn’t count. The US doesn’t apply that standard. If the infant is born alive and its under the thresh-hold weight and dies it gets counted. Not only will it be counted, we probably spent a lot of time and money trying to make sure it doesn’t become a statistic for infant mortality numbers. US, numbers are over-inflated when compared to the rest of the world.

All those countries also have worse survival rates for cancer patients. They also suffer from waiting lists for surgeries. Among their other problems. I for one am not willing to trade the problems with the american healthcare industry for the problems these socialized systems have.

Congratulations not only are you a moron for following an empty-suit, you’re a moron for believing Michael Moore propaganda.

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He’s not my messiah, he’s the candidate, and if we’re lucky he’ll be our President.

I also note that you didn’t attempt to defend the Veterans’ Administration.

Now re: Nationalized healthcare. (Disclosure: the majority of this is copied from a previous post I made on this site.)

I said “Guess that makes me a socialist.” At least on that issue.

Currently, doctors in America effectively are employees of the health insurance companies. Your employer is the entity that pays you. For the vast majority of doctors (Beverly Hills plastic surgeons are a possible exception that comes to mind), that is the insurance companies.
There is little dispute that we have the best healthcare system in the
world, if you can afford it. But that’s like saying Sudan has
excellent national nutrition, because they eat gourmet meals in the
Presidential palace. I make no suggestion of moral equivalency between
the United States and Sudan here, so put down that club. My analogy is logical, not moral.
A more reasonable way to evaluate the quality of a country’s healthcare system is to look at the quality of healthcare provided to the average citizen.

A comparison of our healthcare system with the rest of
the First World starts with a prima facie analysis and goes on from
there. We are the only First World nation I know of without nationalized healthcare.
Does it seem plausible on its face that we’re the only ones who have it right and everyone else has it wrong?

If something so massive and important was such a disaster in Canada or Great Britain, don’t you think the electorate there would do something about it? Remember, we’re talking about democracies here. As much as the term socialism is conflated with totalitarian communism, like that of the former Soviet Union, high levels of socialism exist in many of the world’s non-American democracies.

Now let’s look at two core/elemental metrics of the quality of a nation’s healthcare system:
Infant Mortality (IM) and Longevity

IM (Source: CIA statistics -ttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html)

The US has the 180th highest IM rate of the countries monitored. Guess who is 181? South Korea. Guess who is 182? Cuba. A newborn baby stands a better chance of living in Cuba than it does in the US.

Which countries have lower IMs than the US? (Same source as above)

Canada

United Kingdom

Germany

Norway

France

Sweden

All have nationalized healthcare.

Longevity (M/F)
(Source: World Health Organization
/http://www.who.int/whosis/database/life_tables/life_tables.cfm)

US – 75/80

UK – 77/81

Canada – 78/83

People in the UK and Canada live longer than Americans, despite their purportedly abysmal healthcare systems.

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You’re confused. As a military retiree, I am able to go to private doctors, just like any other civilian with private insurance.

Except after you nationalize the Health Insurance industry like you want, private doctors will cease to exist. Oh sure you can try to twist around and claim that there are still private doctors out there, but their only employer would be the state.

Now go run along and kiss your messiah’s feet, and talk about how you support his ideas. You know, before he changes them again.

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