All of this looks like a wrestling match. Everybody on the outside where it is safe,putting their 2 cents in. Put these people in the marines place and give them a taste. Nobody has said war has gound rules. You do the best you can to serve your country. An you do what you have to do. Remember if you were not there, you will never know what had to be done. Their our Marines,On our side, Fighting for us.

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Jack Murtha is a disgrace to this nation.

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I can’t speak for anyone else on this site, but I consider the military justice system considerably less corrupt than our civil/criminal system, Dave Noble. Then again, I’m more familiar with the civilian system, and apt to be more judgmental.

In the civilian courts, there are far more ways for cases to be flawed for procedure, and thrown out for technicalities. A judge owns his court room. He can rule as he pleases – even blatantly in opposition to cited precedents – and the only way to challenge his rule is to take it a step higher in the system. Therefore you often have to have patience, and deep pockets to go the distance for justice in civilian courts.

Fact is, our civilian courts and attorneys are profit driven. He with the best (and most expensive) legal team, with the best tap dance before a jury, wins. JAGs and military courts offer no such windfall. Take money and profit out of the equation and the corruption potential goes down.

The complexity, and conflict, of poorly constructed laws from local, state and federal legislators makes the civilian courts a zoo. By comparison, military tribunals cut thru the crap and are more streamlined… less burdened by the inadequacies of badly written laws.

So when it comes to matters of our military, war and war criminals, I trust military justice over civilian justice, JAGs over ACLU lawyers any day. They have a more unique, first hand perspective of the scenarios, orders and procedure for soldiers and combat.

Glad, however, to hear you accept the court’s judgment.

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dw5000

in the civil justice system, dismissed “with prejudice” means, to put it simply, that the matter cannot be brought up again. i assume it means the same thing under the USCMJ. it does not mean what you obviously, and wrongly, thought it meant.

murtha is a known pissant. apparently, so are you.

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Noble- You sure like to turn things upside down don’t you. No charges should ever have been brought. The initial investigation showed no wrong doing (but you wouldn’t believe that) charges were brought only after political pressure was brought. Shame on them and shame on you. Some crazy things happen in a fire fight do to the law of self preservation, or do you through your vast experiences at combat know different. Please explain to us what makes you without evidence and experience an expert. Spit.

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Mata,

If you were paying attention to my comments on the previous Haditha thread, and I’m sure you were, you won’t be surprised by my reaction: I accept the judgement of the court.

Putting all the understandable emotion around this issue aside for the moment, I have a hard time following the logic of the comments on the Haditha threads. I read that the military justice system is corrupted, rigged, and can’t be trusted and then when someone is exonerated, you all say “See, told you they were innocent.” If the system can’t be trusted, what is the significance of an exoneration? Isn’t that a “heads I win, tails you lose” kind of argument? Can you really have it both ways?

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Despite the fact that guys are getting off the hook–and I choose that formulation deliberately–it still doesn’t look like Haditha was a proud page out of Marine history.

It wasn’t a proud page of Marine Corps history not because of what any of the charged did wrong, they didn’t, but because of what the Marine Corps’ “leadership” (if you could call it that) did to the accused. The Marine Chain of Command sold those Marines down the river for purely political reasons.

The Marine Corps’ CoC disgraced the Marine Corps, not the eight that were accused/charged.

We’ll see if the CoC and the despicable Murtha will be held accountable for their actions.

I doubt it…

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DW5000, of course our guys should be getting their day in court. Most especially since they have been condemned – not only by the media, but by Congress members – prior to trial. It appears the “innocent until proven guilty” concept only applies to our illegal combatants, getting access to our courts because of a corrupt SCOTUS who refuses to abide by precedents.

But, ya know, that’s democracy (the justices’ vote) and the way our republic was set up by the founding fathers. We deal with it until they figure out the error of their ways, then find a way to back peddle one more time.

Of course, the inevitable weighing in I suggested (with sarcasm) is by those who believe that our courts were letting our guys “off the hook”. Thank you for providing what I knew would come. Tho I really expected Dave Noble to be the first to come, based on his comments from from the previous Haditha thread.

So DW5000, will you be as acerbic and disappointed when terrorists get “off the hook” with our justice system? Or do you reserve your disdain only towards our troops who were under fire?

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