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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Respecting the Geneva Convention</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Respecting the Geneva Convention</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andy McCarthy - Congress Must Act To Fix Boumediene [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know, Curt, I dunno about Andy&#039;s reasoning INRE

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus, Congress could quickly enact a statute requiring the district courts in combatant habeas cases to afford the commander-in-chief a presumption mandating detention. That is, if the government established a rational basis for believing the detainee was an enemy combatant, he would be ordered detained unless the detainee proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not an enemy combatant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is exactly what the combo of DTA/MCA did.. established status via the CSRT, thereby allowing detention.  But the SCOTUS already has ruled that process is not the equivalent of habeus corpus, and thereby un Constitutional.  It comes down to the same thing... the govt can call them unlawful combatants all day long, but the courts are giving them the right to challenge that in the federal courts.

This is the equivalent of saying an Executive Order can mandate &quot;held without bail&quot; to someone with habeus corpus rights.  I doubt that would fly.

Which leaves us to wonder... what can Congress construct that accomplishes the detention, status determination and review but what they&#039;ve already done?   

And if their attorneys are pushing for full constitutional rights, it will still come down to an &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; scene,  and what... bail??  Can the US govt provide enough evidence without disclosing classified information that proves the detainee should be detained without bail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ya know, Curt, I dunno about Andy&#8217;s reasoning INRE</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus, Congress could quickly enact a statute requiring the district courts in combatant habeas cases to afford the commander-in-chief a presumption mandating detention. That is, if the government established a rational basis for believing the detainee was an enemy combatant, he would be ordered detained unless the detainee proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not an enemy combatant.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is exactly what the combo of DTA/MCA did.. established status via the CSRT, thereby allowing detention.  But the SCOTUS already has ruled that process is not the equivalent of habeus corpus, and thereby un Constitutional.  It comes down to the same thing&#8230; the govt can call them unlawful combatants all day long, but the courts are giving them the right to challenge that in the federal courts.</p>
<p>This is the equivalent of saying an Executive Order can mandate &#8220;held without bail&#8221; to someone with habeus corpus rights.  I doubt that would fly.</p>
<p>Which leaves us to wonder&#8230; what can Congress construct that accomplishes the detention, status determination and review but what they&#8217;ve already done?   </p>
<p>And if their attorneys are pushing for full constitutional rights, it will still come down to an &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; scene,  and what&#8230; bail??  Can the US govt provide enough evidence without disclosing classified information that proves the detainee should be detained without bail?</p>
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		<title>By: Media Mythbusters Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Bias Roundup - 06/16/08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Mythbusters Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Bias Roundup - 06/16/08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Padre Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padre Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWRD?  What would Reagan do?  The congress doesn&#039;t have the leaders to stand up and fight the courts.  Far too many of them are in agreement with this crazy decision.  We need to pray for the wisdom of the US voters come November or we are in deep trouble as a nation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>WWRD?  What would Reagan do?  The congress doesn&#8217;t have the leaders to stand up and fight the courts.  Far too many of them are in agreement with this crazy decision.  We need to pray for the wisdom of the US voters come November or we are in deep trouble as a nation!</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New ROE, no uniform, no prisoner. Geneva convention rules.</description>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what would happen if we loaded these Muslanimals onto a transport plane and flew them back to where they were captured.

Our military could then implement the Geneva Convention provisions and resolve the issue, which is what we should have done to begin with.

I doubt the Leftists would agree with that particular application of the GC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I wonder what would happen if we loaded these Muslanimals onto a transport plane and flew them back to where they were captured.</p>
<p>Our military could then implement the Geneva Convention provisions and resolve the issue, which is what we should have done to begin with.</p>
<p>I doubt the Leftists would agree with that particular application of the GC.</p>
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