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	<title>Comments on: Obama Threatening Gun Violence or Just Going for the Pro Gun Vote?</title>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/06/14/obama-threatening-gun-violence-or-just-going-for-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-86122</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama would bring a gun to a fight in Philadelphia ?

Mayor Nutter would throw his ass in jail. There already are more than enough shootings in the city of Philadelphia without the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party inciting the youth of Philadelphia to all out gang war.

What an idiot.</description>
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<p>Mayor Nutter would throw his ass in jail. There already are more than enough shootings in the city of Philadelphia without the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party inciting the youth of Philadelphia to all out gang war.</p>
<p>What an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Skye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said &lt;/i&gt;

Interesting he should use the term &#039;gun&#039; in Philadelphia.  Skyrockteting gun related homicides in my fair city have caused us to be knicknamed the &#039; Murder Capital of the United States.&quot;</description>
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<p>Interesting he should use the term &#8216;gun&#8217; in Philadelphia.  Skyrockteting gun related homicides in my fair city have caused us to be knicknamed the &#8216; Murder Capital of the United States.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A. Ross Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Ross Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Politics of the Big Lie (vs. all the little lies)

In the beginning, there was only Iowa.  Iowa, innocent and unknown, was most likely tiring of all the political focus.  Iowa was weary of the political saturation from the ceaseless efforts of ten presidential candidates, no twelve, okay, maybe more than a dozen.  At some point Iowa just wanted it over.  There were so many political ideas, ways of ‘getting IT done’, and ‘this is the right process’, that it was confusing.  I mean they (the dozen or so presidential hopefuls) professed solutions that were in complete conflict with each other.  They were downright divergent.  They were ‘all the little lies’ to anyone who thought differently from whomever was espousing the idea or remedy of the day. 
	So where is a ‘Big Lie’?  Was there a ‘Big Lie’ too?  Yes, it was in Iowa.  It happened in December.  It fell from the lips of the candidate who would later claim victory (albeit: the slimmest of victories, a meager third of the vote) in the Democratic Caucus.  He said (and this is a quote from the NY Times), “….the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.  I just did that last year….”  (The Big Lie).  This was in response to a discussion on leaks in Illinois of nuclear plant groundwater contamination.  Nuclear contamination.
	Again, I quote the author, Mike McIntire from his February 3, 2008 article in the New York Times, titled, Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate.
The Big Lie was told to a crowd in Iowa and was in response to nuclear plant regulation concerns.  It went like this…

“…Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon (contributed over $225,000 to Obama) and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks…” 

It is ‘The Big Lie’ because he never passed the legislation, many in Iowa believed him, and the Illinois senator was never quizzed about it.  He then moved forward basing a part of his entire campaign on something he didn’t do, but said he did.  
	To base your first win on ‘The Big Lie’ is to have the rest of your wins cast in that shadow of your ‘First Big Lie’.  Judgment is critical to Senator Obama’s presidential hopes.  He has little else, no bills or legislation of his own passed, no lengthy time in the US Senate, and maybe just his veracity as his only virtue.  But where is that ‘good judgment’, and veracity, if you told ‘The Big Lie’ first?

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A. Ross Morris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The Politics of the Big Lie (vs. all the little lies)</p>
<p>In the beginning, there was only Iowa.  Iowa, innocent and unknown, was most likely tiring of all the political focus.  Iowa was weary of the political saturation from the ceaseless efforts of ten presidential candidates, no twelve, okay, maybe more than a dozen.  At some point Iowa just wanted it over.  There were so many political ideas, ways of ‘getting IT done’, and ‘this is the right process’, that it was confusing.  I mean they (the dozen or so presidential hopefuls) professed solutions that were in complete conflict with each other.  They were downright divergent.  They were ‘all the little lies’ to anyone who thought differently from whomever was espousing the idea or remedy of the day.<br />
	So where is a ‘Big Lie’?  Was there a ‘Big Lie’ too?  Yes, it was in Iowa.  It happened in December.  It fell from the lips of the candidate who would later claim victory (albeit: the slimmest of victories, a meager third of the vote) in the Democratic Caucus.  He said (and this is a quote from the NY Times), “….the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.  I just did that last year….”  (The Big Lie).  This was in response to a discussion on leaks in Illinois of nuclear plant groundwater contamination.  Nuclear contamination.<br />
	Again, I quote the author, Mike McIntire from his February 3, 2008 article in the New York Times, titled, Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate.<br />
The Big Lie was told to a crowd in Iowa and was in response to nuclear plant regulation concerns.  It went like this…</p>
<p>“…Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”<br />
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.</p>
<p>A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon (contributed over $225,000 to Obama) and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks…” </p>
<p>It is ‘The Big Lie’ because he never passed the legislation, many in Iowa believed him, and the Illinois senator was never quizzed about it.  He then moved forward basing a part of his entire campaign on something he didn’t do, but said he did.<br />
	To base your first win on ‘The Big Lie’ is to have the rest of your wins cast in that shadow of your ‘First Big Lie’.  Judgment is critical to Senator Obama’s presidential hopes.  He has little else, no bills or legislation of his own passed, no lengthy time in the US Senate, and maybe just his veracity as his only virtue.  But where is that ‘good judgment’, and veracity, if you told ‘The Big Lie’ first?</p>
<p>By<br />
A. Ross Morris</p>
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		<title>By: Property of a Lady &#187; I Love the Smell of Desperation in the Morning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Property of a Lady &#187; I Love the Smell of Desperation in the Morning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Untouchables, showing that the Republican War on Metaphors continues unabated. See, for example, Flopping Aces: Does it strike readers as somewhat odd that the Dems who screech at the very mention of the word [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NEWS &#38; OPINION ROUNDUP (15 JUNE 2008) &#34;BABY DADDY DAY&#34; EDITION &#124; Democrat=Socialist</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEWS &#38; OPINION ROUNDUP (15 JUNE 2008) &#34;BABY DADDY DAY&#34; EDITION &#124; Democrat=Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama has a gun? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to make a comment, but you guys are having way too much fun.  Enjoy yourselves.</description>
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		<title>By: Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup - Happy Fathers Day! &#187; Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Give No Quarter!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup - Happy Fathers Day! &#187; Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Give No Quarter!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] love guns? When he is trying to Man Up. I wonder if BHO carries it in his Man Bag? Anyhow, visit Flopping Aces for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah Jim. Threatening &quot;The Chicago way&quot; with a history of mob violence while attending a fundraiser in the City of Brotherly Love which is racked by black on black gun violence and one of the highest murder rates in the country is some joke.

Again, if McCain had said it: Front page news.

If Obama says it, no one cares, it&#039;s a joke.

The joke is Obama and the notion that the lamestream media used to be doing it&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh yeah Jim. Threatening &#8220;The Chicago way&#8221; with a history of mob violence while attending a fundraiser in the City of Brotherly Love which is racked by black on black gun violence and one of the highest murder rates in the country is some joke.</p>
<p>Again, if McCain had said it: Front page news.</p>
<p>If Obama says it, no one cares, it&#8217;s a joke.</p>
<p>The joke is Obama and the notion that the lamestream media used to be doing it&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;  Watch the Video Clip — &quot;The Untouchables&quot; &lt;/B&gt; 

&lt;B&gt; It was a joke!!!! &lt;/B&gt;  Remember Obama made an unfortunate remark about bitter and guns in reference to Pennsylvania, which is where he made the statement.

All during the primary in &lt;B&gt;  Pennsylvania  &lt;/B&gt; there was the &lt;B&gt;  Hillary and Rocky the fighter  &lt;/B&gt; theme that people in Pennsylvania liked.  They liked the concept of &lt;B&gt;  &quot;tough.&quot;  &lt;/B&gt;

It is a line from the movie &quot;Untouchables&quot; with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery.

See the video at the NY Times:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><b>  Watch the Video Clip — &#8220;The Untouchables&#8221; </b> </p>
<p><b> It was a joke!!!! </b>  Remember Obama made an unfortunate remark about bitter and guns in reference to Pennsylvania, which is where he made the statement.</p>
<p>All during the primary in <b>  Pennsylvania  </b> there was the <b>  Hillary and Rocky the fighter  </b> theme that people in Pennsylvania liked.  They liked the concept of <b>  &#8220;tough.&#8221;  </b></p>
<p>It is a line from the movie &#8220;Untouchables&#8221; with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery.</p>
<p>See the video at the NY Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/" rel="nofollow">http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/</a></p>
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		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/06/14/obama-threatening-gun-violence-or-just-going-for-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-85689</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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