Art won’t likely be back, Aye. It’s just another clulessly smug leftist unthinkingly regurgitating what it was fed.
To examine it’s beliefs could reveal that it isn’t the intellectual and moral superior of us “cons” and that would be devastating to it’s ego. That is why lefties like Art have zero introspection.

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@Art:

Your original assertion:

He was repeatedly warned about attacks from airplanes and ignored them.

From the source you quoted (emphasis mine):

”It is widely known that we had information that bin Laden wanted to attack the United States or United States interests abroad,” Ari Fleischer, the president’s press secretary, said this evening. ”The president was also provided information about bin Laden wanting to engage in hijacking in the traditional pre-9/11 sense, not for the use of suicide bombing, not for the use of an airplane as a missile.”

::snip::

But then the evidence disappeared as quickly as it had arisen, and by August, officials have said, little was heard from Al Qaeda.

Now, does that support your contention?

Uh…no, it doesn’t.

Anything else?

He was also warned about the danger posed by al-Qaeda from the Clinton administration as they left office and was also briefed by the CIA as well about the potential of an attack from them.

Granted al Qaeda was a known threat. We’ve known that since prior to the first WTC bombing (which Clinton didn’t prevent).

Now, having accepted the premise that al Qaeda was a known threat, please provide links to evidence of actionable intelligence that indicated an attack was imminent. Vague, esoteric, mushy squishy threat assessments are not useful when it comes to nailing down what might happen and when.

So, kindly link to the specific, actionable intelligence that Bush supposedly ignored. Any forthcoming links from you should include intelligence which indicates which of the thousands of daily flights originating from which airports were being targeted by hijacking threats.

He still has 2 years left in is term to change/improve/reverse the knee jerk Patriot act…

Oh, you mean the Patriot Act that he voted for?

Is that the one you’re talking about?

Yeah…as if he’s gonna rush right out and get that repealed.

He. Voted. For. It.

Finally, I’d like to point out to you that the Courts have upheld the actions of the Bush Admin in FISA matters.

You may be interested to know that Obie voted for the expansion of the FISA law when he was still a Senator and that he has has expanded the use of warrantless wiretapping since his Immaculation.

This whole surveillance trend was started by Slick Willie himself…yep, you read that right.

Clearly you are out of your element.

Exit Questions:

1) Which administration has argued in Court that US citizens, who are not suspected of any wrong doing, are not entitled to expect privacy of location if they are cell phone users?

2) Which administration has argued in Court that tracking devices can be legally placed on a citizens’ vehicle without a warrant?

3) Which administration has argued for the collection of DNA samples from every person arrested? Not every person charged or convicted, but every person arrested?

4) Which administration has been tracking US citizens in real time via their credit card usage without a warrant?

Here’s a hint for you on the answers for #1-#4.

It’s the same administration that has simply carried over the very same Bush policies…even expanding on them here and there.

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We should have a link for idiots like Art. It would be called “Frequently Claimed and Disproven Lies from the Left.”
We’d save ourselves a lot of time and avoid having the same debates over, and over, and over…

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We had this conversation with Gaffa before my computer crashed and I was unable to respond, prior to that I had researched the Condi Rice/Richard Clarke testimonies, interviews, etc. and found that the only thing the Bush administration had to go on was that August 6th memo. All the information regarding prospective attacks with planes, etc. was not yet given to the Bush administration prior to 9/11.

In addition to that, Richard Clarke gave an entirely different testimony to the 9/11 Commission in closed session than what he gave in public. Per John Lehman. Bookmarked all of it but lost it in the crash.

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to my critics :

1. Mark J 911 happened on bush’s watch and he was totally asleep at the wheel. He was repeatedly warned about attacks from airplanes and ignored them.

Really?

Details please.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/16/us/bush-was-warned-bin-laden-wanted-to-hijack-planes.html

this is just one of hundreds of links which can be found on Google if you’d bother to look which obviously you haven’t. This was widely reported but since Fox News didn’t break the story obviously it could never be true to a person of your mentality.

2. Bush very unremarkable since every president dating back to the war of 1812 did not have an attack on the mainland during their watch.

That’s an asinine remark. When was al-Qaeda formed? Have or have other plots not been foiled since 9/11, thanks to Bush-era decisions to engage Islamic jihadis?

so what ? they were terrorist instead of an invading foreign army what’s the difference ? It still doesn’t change the fact that Bush failed to protect us. It wasn’t as if there was there was no knowledge that al-Qaeda was out there trying to hurt us. Anybody even paying even slight attention to the news would have known this. He was also warned about the danger posed by al-Qaeda from the Clinton administration as they left office and was also briefed by the CIA as well about the potential of an attack from them. But hey those weeds on the ranch need to be whacked ! Like Reagan said ‘facts are stubborn little things’

3. They were also able to achieve this without trampling our freedoms in the process and nonstop fear mongering.

And what has Obama done to scale back on Bush-era policies that “trample our freedoms”? Have there been “nonstop fear mongering” in the last 2 years in regards to jihadism, Art?

Well I’d have to agree with you on this one unfortunately but given the economic crisis plus the two wars of choice he inherited from Bush , Obama had a pretty full plate to deal with over the last 2 years. He still has 2 years left in is term to change/improve/reverse the knee jerk Patriot act though I doubt it will happen especially since Repubs control the House now.

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@Art:

Bush very unremarkable since every president dating back to the war of 1812 did not have an attack on the mainland during their watch.

That’s an asinine remark. When was al-Qaeda formed? Have or have other plots not been foiled since 9/11, thanks to Bush-era decisions to engage Islamic jihadis?

They were also able to achieve this without trampling our freedoms in the process and nonstop fear mongering.

And what has Obama done to scale back on Bush-era policies that “trample our freedoms”? Have there been “nonstop fear mongering” in the last 2 years in regards to jihadism, Art?

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@Art:

Mark J 911 happened on bush’s watch and he was totally asleep at the wheel. He was repeatedly warned about attacks from airplanes and ignored them.

Really?

Details please.

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Mark J 911 happened on bush’s watch and he was totally asleep at the wheel. He was repeatedly warned about attacks from airplanes and ignored them. To say that there were no other 911′s after that makes Bush very unremarkable since every president dating back to the war of 1812 did not have an attack on the mainland during their watch. They were also able to achieve this without trampling our freedoms in the process and nonstop fear mongering.

Your remark ‘How about this Bush accomplishment, which you managed to conveniently forget: no 9-11’s since, well, 9-11.’ is like saying I haven’t burned down any houses in the last 7 years since I burned my own house down smoking in bed.

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Yet another possible “under the bussee”. No doubt this fellow wasn’t the person Obama thought he was either…

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/exclusive_who_i_1.html

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{{There aren’t any.}}-Bush accomplishments that is.

You may have missed the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan and the birth of two new Middle East democracies thanks to Bushes war.

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