[...] 19 05 2008 Harkin: It’s all the (D)s have to offer. [...]

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[...] Chihuahua in the comment section of this thread found this video of Sen. McCain answering Sen. Harkins charge that when we left Vietnam there was [...]

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That video was so good I had to do its own post on it Aye….good find.

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[...] Chihuahua in the comment section of this thread found this video of Sen. McCain answering Sen. Harkins charge that when we left Vietnam there was [...]

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Watch this clip of a radio interview with McCain.

They played a clip of Harkin.

I, like McCain, cannot believe I just heard him say that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RRZWs4G3-4

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and obama has NO military service. he couldn’t lead a bunch of girl scouts through the county park with out 12 aids telling him how to answer the girl who asks if that berry bush is poisonous.

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Dear Senator Harkin:…

Why you pansy assed excuse for a Senator! First of all, he wasn’t ALWAYS in the military, an awful lot of his experience has been exactly where you have been, the halls of Congress….

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Harkin may be on to something ..

Look at Jimmy Carter .. an officer in the US Navy .. it did nothing for him.

Methinks that just like the Bush speech to the Knesset, the real target here is Jimmy Carter. Perhaps Harkin’s brain just malfunctioned when he said McCain, he obviously meant Carter.

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Suek, I agree. On one hand, the military is better off for being all-volunteer, but I think society as a whole has lost something. I fear that more and more civilians are coming to see military service as something young people sign up for because they’re poor or dumb or really want to kill people. Because so many pampered snots can not imagine serving anything but themselves, they are incapable of acknowledging that others are capable of self-sacrifice and bravery.

An old boyfriend of mine who served in Vietnam said that in the ’70′s he was reviled when he said he was a ‘Nam vet. In the ’80′s, around the time the Vietnam Memorial opened in DC, suddenly he found that every other Tom, Dick, and Harry was claiming to be a vet. And not only that, they had all fought at Khe Sohn or the Battle of Hue. And civilians would buy their barroom tiger cage stories and napalm stories because the civilians didn’t know enough about the military to spot liars. I doubt very much if guys in the ’50′s would have dared to tell whoppers in public about having been at Normandy or Imo Jima. There were too many WWII vets around who would have raised the BS flag.

(Sheesh, I really wish some of the older members of my generation would just f-f-f-fade away. If they’re not fake Vietnam vets, they’re lying about being at Woodstock.)

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You know…I understand where he’s coming from. The military culture is a unique one today. It didn’t used to be so different from the civilian population, except for the fact that families moved more often than everybody else. In fact, the civilian population pretty much _didn’t_ move. It’s different today – civilians move as much as any military family ever did, but the differences between the civilian culture and the military culture is becoming wider and wider, imo. Personally, I think the changes are detrimental to the civilian society. I think it would be beneficial to society to have a draft. And every time I say that, my husband reminds me of the problems the military had with the draftees during the Vietnam War, and states rather pedantically that the military is not a social service – it’s a _military_service. Which kills me because on that score, he’s absolutely right.

And I _hate_ it when he’s right.

But if we had universal service or something like that, society _would_ benefit….!!

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