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	<title>Comments on: President Bush Speaks the Truth of Appeasement in Israel</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme a break...a political attack. It&#039;s a fact.  And if people wanna pretend that it&#039;s oh-so-bad to criticize foreign policy while abroad, let&#039;s remember the numerous trips to Syria by the Speaker of the House, Senate leaders, Presidential candidate Kucinich&#039;s wacked out foreign policy claims while in Syria, or how about the Dem Congressmen who went to Saddam&#039;s Iraq and said everything was hunky dory there?

If it was a political attack against Obama or dems, he&#039;d have said, &quot;some people in my country.&quot;  Fact is, he was talking about people around the world who have this idea that one can sit down and say hi to Ahmadinejad, and everything will be happy go lucky.  You talk about the Gates quote...what he&#039;s saying is that if someone&#039;s gonna talk to Iran, then that someone is either going to have to have leverage against them, OR HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING/appease them.  Got leverage?  No?  Then how are &quot;talks&quot; w Iran gonna make magic things happen w/out giving them something/appeasing them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Gimme a break&#8230;a political attack. It&#8217;s a fact.  And if people wanna pretend that it&#8217;s oh-so-bad to criticize foreign policy while abroad, let&#8217;s remember the numerous trips to Syria by the Speaker of the House, Senate leaders, Presidential candidate Kucinich&#8217;s wacked out foreign policy claims while in Syria, or how about the Dem Congressmen who went to Saddam&#8217;s Iraq and said everything was hunky dory there?</p>
<p>If it was a political attack against Obama or dems, he&#8217;d have said, &#8220;some people in my country.&#8221;  Fact is, he was talking about people around the world who have this idea that one can sit down and say hi to Ahmadinejad, and everything will be happy go lucky.  You talk about the Gates quote&#8230;what he&#8217;s saying is that if someone&#8217;s gonna talk to Iran, then that someone is either going to have to have leverage against them, OR HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING/appease them.  Got leverage?  No?  Then how are &#8220;talks&#8221; w Iran gonna make magic things happen w/out giving them something/appeasing them?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I guess Gibbs must have changed the channel when Carter and Clinton were attacking Bush on foreign soil.

Geez! The more you Dems WHINE about this the more obvious it is that the truth hurts.

You have a weak candidate, with no experience and even less understanding of how the world works. He is dangerously naive and would risk America&#039;s nationals security for the sake of his enormous ego.

When it comes to Obama: JUST SAY NO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><i>&#8220;this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I guess Gibbs must have changed the channel when Carter and Clinton were attacking Bush on foreign soil.</p>
<p>Geez! The more you Dems WHINE about this the more obvious it is that the truth hurts.</p>
<p>You have a weak candidate, with no experience and even less understanding of how the world works. He is dangerously naive and would risk America&#8217;s nationals security for the sake of his enormous ego.</p>
<p>When it comes to Obama: JUST SAY NO!</p>
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		<title>By: sky55110</title>
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		<dc:creator>sky55110</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Gibbs from CNN said it best:

GIBBS: Obviously this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil. It&#039;s quite frankly sad and astonishing that the president of the United States would politicize the 60th anniversary of Israel with a false political attack. I assume he also is going to come home and fire his secretary of defense who was quoted in The Washington Post just yesterday saying we need to figure -- quote, &quot;We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.&quot; Them being Iran. Look, we have come to expect, and we&#039;ve seen from this administration over the last eight years this type of cowboy diplomacy. Again, we&#039;ve come to expect it. But over the past eight years it&#039;s made this country far less safe than we were.

CNN again aired that clip of Gibbs -- except that it edited out the reference to The Washington Post about firing Gates, in which Gibbs pointed out the Bush administration&#039;s hypocrisy. Several other times, CNN aired a portion of Gibbs&#039; comments, without the references to Gates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think Gibbs from CNN said it best:</p>
<p>GIBBS: Obviously this is an unprecedented political attack on foreign soil. It&#8217;s quite frankly sad and astonishing that the president of the United States would politicize the 60th anniversary of Israel with a false political attack. I assume he also is going to come home and fire his secretary of defense who was quoted in The Washington Post just yesterday saying we need to figure &#8212; quote, &#8220;We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.&#8221; Them being Iran. Look, we have come to expect, and we&#8217;ve seen from this administration over the last eight years this type of cowboy diplomacy. Again, we&#8217;ve come to expect it. But over the past eight years it&#8217;s made this country far less safe than we were.</p>
<p>CNN again aired that clip of Gibbs &#8212; except that it edited out the reference to The Washington Post about firing Gates, in which Gibbs pointed out the Bush administration&#8217;s hypocrisy. Several other times, CNN aired a portion of Gibbs&#8217; comments, without the references to Gates.</p>
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		<title>By: CentFla</title>
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		<dc:creator>CentFla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you care at all about having McCain in the WH next year you will immediately write this total moron of a president and tell him to stop draggin McCain into Bush&#039;s record breaking lack of diplomacy!

Except for the 10%ers on this site and others like it the rest of the country is aware of  the utter hipocracy in Bush&#039;s statment!  We have always, always, always, negotiated with our enemies until the chimp got into office!

Reagan and Andropov, while the Soviets had thousands of warheads pointed in our direction!  Over and over again Breshnev told Nixon that he would destroy us as did Mao but Nixon had the courage to talk to them.

Crap, Reagan sold weapons to these very same Iranians immediately after the Ayatolla kidnapped our diplomats!

Bush is the idiot who appointed Brownie and tried to get Harriet Miers into the SCOTUS!  He is an utter, complete and total boob who is going to not only ruin McCain&#039;s chances to get elected but he is going to ruin the GOP brand for decades.

MA - why are you so stuck on the word negotiations?  Who is (of relevance - not Jimmy Carter) suggesting any negotiations?  This is about talk.  When Bush and Powell engaged Libya in talk Qaddafi caved.  Why did we stop there?

Why won&#039;t this idiot just shut his mouth?  Fine, quit golfing because you do not want to be seen having fun but keep dancing with drummers from Africa and dancers from the Rep of Georgia you unimaginable @hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>If you care at all about having McCain in the WH next year you will immediately write this total moron of a president and tell him to stop draggin McCain into Bush&#8217;s record breaking lack of diplomacy!</p>
<p>Except for the 10%ers on this site and others like it the rest of the country is aware of  the utter hipocracy in Bush&#8217;s statment!  We have always, always, always, negotiated with our enemies until the chimp got into office!</p>
<p>Reagan and Andropov, while the Soviets had thousands of warheads pointed in our direction!  Over and over again Breshnev told Nixon that he would destroy us as did Mao but Nixon had the courage to talk to them.</p>
<p>Crap, Reagan sold weapons to these very same Iranians immediately after the Ayatolla kidnapped our diplomats!</p>
<p>Bush is the idiot who appointed Brownie and tried to get Harriet Miers into the SCOTUS!  He is an utter, complete and total boob who is going to not only ruin McCain&#8217;s chances to get elected but he is going to ruin the GOP brand for decades.</p>
<p>MA &#8211; why are you so stuck on the word negotiations?  Who is (of relevance &#8211; not Jimmy Carter) suggesting any negotiations?  This is about talk.  When Bush and Powell engaged Libya in talk Qaddafi caved.  Why did we stop there?</p>
<p>Why won&#8217;t this idiot just shut his mouth?  Fine, quit golfing because you do not want to be seen having fun but keep dancing with drummers from Africa and dancers from the Rep of Georgia you unimaginable @hole.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...it all comes down to &#039;having one&#039;s cake and eating it too&#039; or, in other words, trying to have two incompatible things at the same time. For example, yesterday when McCain was asked about his speech he explicitly  said that he was not setting a timetable for withdrawal; he was &quot;talking about victory ... --[S]aying you are withdrawing&quot; is &quot;setting a date for surrender.&quot;  Now that&#039;s some sweet parsing.

It applies here too. McCain wants the same idiomatic construction in the video. We can see it in his body language as he&#039;s speaking. I think anyone looking at the first part of the clip finds McCain is &lt;strong&gt;implicitly&lt;/strong&gt; making a case for a open-ended negotiation with Hamas. Then he wants to eat his cake too, and puts a condition on negotiations. 

While &quot;one way or another&quot; can mean  a measure of things, I think it&#039;s fair to say that McCain was more open then to negotiating with Hamas than his present self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8230;it all comes down to &#8216;having one&#8217;s cake and eating it too&#8217; or, in other words, trying to have two incompatible things at the same time. For example, yesterday when McCain was asked about his speech he explicitly  said that he was not setting a timetable for withdrawal; he was &#8220;talking about victory &#8230; &#8211;[S]aying you are withdrawing&#8221; is &#8220;setting a date for surrender.&#8221;  Now that&#8217;s some sweet parsing.</p>
<p>It applies here too. McCain wants the same idiomatic construction in the video. We can see it in his body language as he&#8217;s speaking. I think anyone looking at the first part of the clip finds McCain is <strong>implicitly</strong> making a case for a open-ended negotiation with Hamas. Then he wants to eat his cake too, and puts a condition on negotiations. </p>
<p>While &#8220;one way or another&#8221; can mean  a measure of things, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that McCain was more open then to negotiating with Hamas than his present self.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Here&#039;s my response to the lefty enabler of terrorist scum at the #2 trackback above:

The United States has engaged in diplomacy with Iran, it&#039;s subsidary agents Hamas and Hezbollah by intensive indirect means in conjunction with our allies FOR DECADES.

The idea that we are not using diplomacy is LAUGHABLE.

You apparently ignored the portion of my post at Flopping Aces where I summarize the memoirs of Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, who conducted some of the most intense diplomatic maneuvers to address the crisis in Lebanon.

Because we only  &quot;spoke softly&quot; but threw away the &quot;big stick&quot; through the pullout mania which seems to be the mantra of Democrats we have lost much of the leverage we have to bring about diplomatic success.

It is a direct consequence of the hopelessly flawed and historically ignorant world view of people like yourself that has handcuffed the effectiveness of U.S. diplomatic power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>P.S. Here&#8217;s my response to the lefty enabler of terrorist scum at the #2 trackback above:</p>
<p>The United States has engaged in diplomacy with Iran, it&#8217;s subsidary agents Hamas and Hezbollah by intensive indirect means in conjunction with our allies FOR DECADES.</p>
<p>The idea that we are not using diplomacy is LAUGHABLE.</p>
<p>You apparently ignored the portion of my post at Flopping Aces where I summarize the memoirs of Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, who conducted some of the most intense diplomatic maneuvers to address the crisis in Lebanon.</p>
<p>Because we only  &#8220;spoke softly&#8221; but threw away the &#8220;big stick&#8221; through the pullout mania which seems to be the mantra of Democrats we have lost much of the leverage we have to bring about diplomatic success.</p>
<p>It is a direct consequence of the hopelessly flawed and historically ignorant world view of people like yourself that has handcuffed the effectiveness of U.S. diplomatic power.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole idea of talking to terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah or their Iranian masters has me troubled.

What do you negotitate?

They are KILLING AMERICANS.

As the U.S. do you say: OK, we&#039;ll compromise, you can kill half the number of Americans you are currently killing in Iraq?

The only negotiation that should be going on here is with our European partners. We should make it clear to them that the EU-3 negotiating team of Britain, Germany and France has FAILED to bring about any positive result in stopping Iran&#039;s nuclear development. Therefore, it&#039;s time for them to join us in SANCTIONS against Iran and prevent Iran&#039;s access to western technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This whole idea of talking to terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah or their Iranian masters has me troubled.</p>
<p>What do you negotitate?</p>
<p>They are KILLING AMERICANS.</p>
<p>As the U.S. do you say: OK, we&#8217;ll compromise, you can kill half the number of Americans you are currently killing in Iraq?</p>
<p>The only negotiation that should be going on here is with our European partners. We should make it clear to them that the EU-3 negotiating team of Britain, Germany and France has FAILED to bring about any positive result in stopping Iran&#8217;s nuclear development. Therefore, it&#8217;s time for them to join us in SANCTIONS against Iran and prevent Iran&#8217;s access to western technology.</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkingMeat &#183; The morons of the right forget who the Appeaser-In-Chief really is</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThinkingMeat &#183; The morons of the right forget who the Appeaser-In-Chief really is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] assclowns, I&#8217;m talking to you: Kit Lange, &#8220;TA&#8221;, Susan Duclos, Jim Hoft, Mike and Curt, and all you other ignorant wingnuts&#8230; there&#8217;s not a one of you who knows or understands [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] assclowns, I&#8217;m talking to you: Kit Lange, &#8220;TA&#8221;, Susan Duclos, Jim Hoft, Mike and Curt, and all you other ignorant wingnuts&#8230; there&#8217;s not a one of you who knows or understands [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/05/15/president-bush-speaks-the-truth-of-appeasement-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-64705</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Doug, its a &quot;expertly clipped&quot; video to show some statements of McCains out of context.  Nice try tho:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/16/mccains-hamas-comments-context-restored/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yes Doug, its a &#8220;expertly clipped&#8221; video to show some statements of McCains out of context.  Nice try tho:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/16/mccains-hamas-comments-context-restored/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/16/mccains-hamas-comments-context-restored/</a></p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/05/15/president-bush-speaks-the-truth-of-appeasement-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-64677</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain talking about talking to Hamas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icooZ4PTM60&amp;eurl=http://www.rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>McCain talking about talking to Hamas:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icooZ4PTM60&#038;eurl=http://www.rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icooZ4PTM60&#038;eurl=http://www.rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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